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What, exactly, is the "HIV/AIDS" hypothesis?

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montygram - 06 Dec 2005 07:04 GMT
In order for it to be brought under the rubric of "science," one either
has to put forth a hypothesis and the evidence there is for it.  If
experiments have yet to be done, the advocate must specifiy what
experiments should be done to verify or repudiate the hypothesis.
Often, requests for funding follow, and somtimes preliminary
experiments or lab work have been done.  Then, the community of
scientists who are "experts" in this field review the evidence, make
suggestions, propose new or different experiments, etc.

"HIV/AIDS" was never a hypothesis - it was press release.  In order or
this claim to be taken seriously by anyone who knows as the rudiments
of science, "HIV/AIDS" needs to be put forth as a hypothesis, which can
then be tested.  Much of the "evidence" cited by the "true believers"
is terribly flawed, fraudulent, or not on point.  In Gallo's own book,
he points out that the "correlations" are just about as good for a
number of "opportunistic infections" and viruses many if not most
people have encountered.

If anyone thinks such a hypothesis has been put forth, please cut and
paste it here or cite a link.  Since the definitions of "HIV infection"
and "AIDS" vary from place to place, it will be interesting to see how
they could all come under the umbrella of a single hypothesis that
meets the fundamental requirements of the scientific method.  In many
cases, after a claim has been improperly established, those of the
"mainstream" state that they cannot do the proper experiments due to
"ethics."  In "HIV/AIDS," we are told, no animal model suffices.
However, another possibility should certainly be explored, but has not.
That is, animals should be exposed to the kinds of stressors those who
"die of AIDS" have been, and that would include diet, alcohol
consumption, lack of sleep, legal and illegal drugs, semen in various
orifices, etc.  If "AIDS" can be generated in animals under such
conditions, the notion that a retrovirus that has not been properly
isolated and that cannot be found doing the kind of harm that is found
in truly deadly viruses should simply be abandoned, mostly because the
drugs that are given as "anti-virals" are so dangerous that they
themselves can create "AIDS."

All the hypotheses put forth to date have failed to account for the
actual data, with the exception of the "correlations," "surrogate
endpoints," and other abstract entites that one can make just about any
claim for.   Ho tried and failed.  Give him some credit for pursuing
the logic of his notions, regardless of how many may have been harmed.
He did not force anyone to do something against his or her will.  It is
the community of experts who needed to step up and say something like,
"hold on, we need to wait until we know if that it is actually going on
in the body," which it of course was not.  Aside from Duesberg, the
Perth Group, and a few others, the rest of the "experts" should be
ashamed of themselves.

Bascially, what the "experts" are saying these days, implicitly mostly,
is something like, "well, we really don't understand how a virus could
do all this extreme and varied damage, but you should keep believing
that a virus that we never properly isolated, and that some scientists
are willing to try to properly isolate but can't get funding to do so,
is the cause, and the only cause."
Alex - 09 Dec 2005 21:26 GMT
> "HIV/AIDS" was never a hypothesis - it was press release.  In order or
> this claim to be taken seriously by anyone who knows as the rudiments
> of science, "HIV/AIDS" needs to be put forth as a hypothesis, which can
> then be tested.

Don't you realize, brother, that HIV/AIDS should never be questioned?

Alex
montygram - 10 Dec 2005 00:35 GMT
As I've said, let's get some lab animals and bombard them with all the
stressors that many who have died of "AIDS" have and see if it has an
effect on their mortality.  My guess is that they will die quite young,
but the point is that this should have been done in the 1980s.  In
order to do science, you have to isolate variables, so the things "AIDS
patients" were doing, eating, exposing themselves to, etc. should have
been done to animals.  This is standard operating procedure and would
be inexpensive, but has still yet to be done.  But the lie of "HIV" has
grown so large now that it must be embraced the way a cult embraces its
leader - that is where we stand now.  At some point it will all fall
apart, and my only question is, "will it be regarded as something like
a second 'holocaust?' and if not, how will all the deaths from lack of
appropriate care and toxic drugs be rationalized?"
Death - 10 Dec 2005 00:59 GMT
"montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message

> As I've said, let's get some lab animals and bombard them with all the
> stressors that many who have died of "AIDS" have and see if it has an
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> patients" were doing, eating, exposing themselves to, etc. should have
> been done to animals.

Cruel and un-usual punishment to make animals
do what faggots did to get aids.
Use the faggots, they volunteered in the first place.
BYTE ME! - 10 Dec 2005 01:07 GMT
> "montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
>
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> do what faggots did to get aids.
> Use the faggots, they volunteered in the first place.

I volunteer myself, anyone have any objections to that?

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montygram - 10 Dec 2005 05:11 GMT
I am willing to subject myself to the "horror" of "HIV," but nobody
will take me up on my offer, which is that you isolate "HIV" properly,
then pay me the price of the "cocktail drugs," which I would never
take.  If I die within 15 years of "AIDS," you can have all my assets,
but if I don't I keep the money.  If you can't isolate "HIV," then you
also have to pay me the cost for 15 years.  This forces them to "put
their money where their mouths are," which they won't do.  Many
"dissidents" die of "AIDS" because of their lifestyles.  The "immune
system" can only withstand so much.  If you abuse it, you "lose it."
And many "dissidents" have abused it.  What your religion says about
this is not an issue for a scientific forum.  Fortunately, I have lived
a "Mr. Clean" life, and so if anyone takes me up on my offer, they will
lose and look like the idiots that they are.
James Riske - 12 Dec 2005 02:35 GMT
>> "montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>
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>
>I volunteer myself, anyone have any objections to that?

I object.  It has to be me.

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