Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / December 2005
What, exactly, is the "HIV/AIDS" hypothesis?
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montygram - 06 Dec 2005 07:04 GMT In order for it to be brought under the rubric of "science," one either has to put forth a hypothesis and the evidence there is for it. If experiments have yet to be done, the advocate must specifiy what experiments should be done to verify or repudiate the hypothesis. Often, requests for funding follow, and somtimes preliminary experiments or lab work have been done. Then, the community of scientists who are "experts" in this field review the evidence, make suggestions, propose new or different experiments, etc.
"HIV/AIDS" was never a hypothesis - it was press release. In order or this claim to be taken seriously by anyone who knows as the rudiments of science, "HIV/AIDS" needs to be put forth as a hypothesis, which can then be tested. Much of the "evidence" cited by the "true believers" is terribly flawed, fraudulent, or not on point. In Gallo's own book, he points out that the "correlations" are just about as good for a number of "opportunistic infections" and viruses many if not most people have encountered.
If anyone thinks such a hypothesis has been put forth, please cut and paste it here or cite a link. Since the definitions of "HIV infection" and "AIDS" vary from place to place, it will be interesting to see how they could all come under the umbrella of a single hypothesis that meets the fundamental requirements of the scientific method. In many cases, after a claim has been improperly established, those of the "mainstream" state that they cannot do the proper experiments due to "ethics." In "HIV/AIDS," we are told, no animal model suffices. However, another possibility should certainly be explored, but has not. That is, animals should be exposed to the kinds of stressors those who "die of AIDS" have been, and that would include diet, alcohol consumption, lack of sleep, legal and illegal drugs, semen in various orifices, etc. If "AIDS" can be generated in animals under such conditions, the notion that a retrovirus that has not been properly isolated and that cannot be found doing the kind of harm that is found in truly deadly viruses should simply be abandoned, mostly because the drugs that are given as "anti-virals" are so dangerous that they themselves can create "AIDS."
All the hypotheses put forth to date have failed to account for the actual data, with the exception of the "correlations," "surrogate endpoints," and other abstract entites that one can make just about any claim for. Ho tried and failed. Give him some credit for pursuing the logic of his notions, regardless of how many may have been harmed. He did not force anyone to do something against his or her will. It is the community of experts who needed to step up and say something like, "hold on, we need to wait until we know if that it is actually going on in the body," which it of course was not. Aside from Duesberg, the Perth Group, and a few others, the rest of the "experts" should be ashamed of themselves.
Bascially, what the "experts" are saying these days, implicitly mostly, is something like, "well, we really don't understand how a virus could do all this extreme and varied damage, but you should keep believing that a virus that we never properly isolated, and that some scientists are willing to try to properly isolate but can't get funding to do so, is the cause, and the only cause."
Alex - 09 Dec 2005 21:26 GMT > "HIV/AIDS" was never a hypothesis - it was press release. In order or > this claim to be taken seriously by anyone who knows as the rudiments > of science, "HIV/AIDS" needs to be put forth as a hypothesis, which can > then be tested. Don't you realize, brother, that HIV/AIDS should never be questioned?
Alex
montygram - 10 Dec 2005 00:35 GMT As I've said, let's get some lab animals and bombard them with all the stressors that many who have died of "AIDS" have and see if it has an effect on their mortality. My guess is that they will die quite young, but the point is that this should have been done in the 1980s. In order to do science, you have to isolate variables, so the things "AIDS patients" were doing, eating, exposing themselves to, etc. should have been done to animals. This is standard operating procedure and would be inexpensive, but has still yet to be done. But the lie of "HIV" has grown so large now that it must be embraced the way a cult embraces its leader - that is where we stand now. At some point it will all fall apart, and my only question is, "will it be regarded as something like a second 'holocaust?' and if not, how will all the deaths from lack of appropriate care and toxic drugs be rationalized?"
Death - 10 Dec 2005 00:59 GMT "montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message
> As I've said, let's get some lab animals and bombard them with all the > stressors that many who have died of "AIDS" have and see if it has an [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > patients" were doing, eating, exposing themselves to, etc. should have > been done to animals. Cruel and un-usual punishment to make animals do what faggots did to get aids. Use the faggots, they volunteered in the first place.
BYTE ME! - 10 Dec 2005 01:07 GMT > "montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > do what faggots did to get aids. > Use the faggots, they volunteered in the first place. I volunteer myself, anyone have any objections to that?
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montygram - 10 Dec 2005 05:11 GMT I am willing to subject myself to the "horror" of "HIV," but nobody will take me up on my offer, which is that you isolate "HIV" properly, then pay me the price of the "cocktail drugs," which I would never take. If I die within 15 years of "AIDS," you can have all my assets, but if I don't I keep the money. If you can't isolate "HIV," then you also have to pay me the cost for 15 years. This forces them to "put their money where their mouths are," which they won't do. Many "dissidents" die of "AIDS" because of their lifestyles. The "immune system" can only withstand so much. If you abuse it, you "lose it." And many "dissidents" have abused it. What your religion says about this is not an issue for a scientific forum. Fortunately, I have lived a "Mr. Clean" life, and so if anyone takes me up on my offer, they will lose and look like the idiots that they are.
James Riske - 12 Dec 2005 02:35 GMT >> "montygram" <nazztrader@lycos.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >I volunteer myself, anyone have any objections to that? I object. It has to be me.
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