Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / December 2005
Riding Bareback : POZ Magazine, June 1997
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Susie, age 9 - 05 Dec 2005 06:23 GMT For those who wondered where all the unsafe sex came from after the 1996 introduction of the protease inhibitor cocktail drugs for HIV ... well here's a clue.
susie
A timeless, sage quote from the POZ article that follows:
"Just writing about skin-to-skin is so exciting that I want to take a break right now and j.rk off."
============ POZ June 1997 p64-65
Riding Bareback
Skin-on-skin sex -- been there, done that, want more
by Stephen Gendin
A year and a half ago at a conference, I heard a talk by a really cute positive guy on the fun of unsafe sex with other positive guys. He was beautiful, the subject was exciting, and I soon ended up getting f.cked by him without a condom. When he came inside me, I was in heaven, just overjoyed.
I'd had unsafe sex before, but never intentionally. Those experiences were guilt-ridden because I worried -- both during the sex and afterward -- about exposing my partner to HIV. This was different. Knowing the guy was positive made it empowering, not guilt-inspiring. I relaxed into my desires instead of fighting them and felt good doing so. On a purely physical level, the experience wasn't extraordinary, but emotionally everything purred so fine.
I'm not the only gay man who's developed a taste for such contact. Or gone looking for it. A quick search of America Online member profiles revealed 118 guys into condomless sex, 25 of whom identified as positive and four as negative, with the rest undisclosing. In fact, as the practice has spread, a whole slang vocabulary has sprung up to describe it: f.cking raw. Riding bareback. Skin-to-skin. With such delicious images, it's easy to stop thinking of it as unsafe sex.
I can't comment on a negative guy's decision to go raw, but for us positive men, the benefits are obvious. The physical sensation is much better. The connection feels closer and more intimate. The sharing of cum on the physical level heightens the sense of sharing on the emotional and spiritual planes. Then there's the satisfaction of knowing that seroconverfing has its advantages. (Or, to use American Express-speak, "Membership has its privileges." It's a tasty revenge.
There' even something empowering about the idea of sharing someone else's HIV. It's like being thrown into jail for life and then, while serving your time, having the warden threaten to extend your sentence. The threat has no power because nothing can make a life sentence any worse. You can laugh at the threat, even spit in the warden's face. That time I got f.cked by another positive guy, I felt I didn't have to fear HIV any longer. I could taunt it, challenge it by taking it into my body without being further hurt.
I know reinfection is a danger. Tons of positive men (including me) are walking storehouses of mutant, multidrug resistant (MDR) virus. It certainly isn't smart to pick up one of those mean, cross-resistant monsters -- I'm now "immune" to every antiretroviral on the market. "Regular" HIV ("wildtype" in scientific terms) may not be an automatic death sentence anymore, but some of those loathsome MDR babies probably are. Then there's the issue of STDs, some of which are very nasty. Hepatitis B, for example, can kill a person with HIV. Even the relatively easy-to-get-rid-of bugs like gonorrhea can activate HIV, causing viral load to go up, perhaps permanently. So even positive guys still have a lot to lose.
But for some of us, that's beside the point, and reinfection isn't a major worry. It's such a vague concept. And not easy to measure: How do you know if you've been reinfected anyway? And who can say that getting f.cked without a condom by a guy whose virus has gone undetectable isn't less risky than sucking off someone with a high viral load? No one can say, because no one knows. (See page 92 for more on just how little scientists understand about what an undetectable viral load means.)
This f.cking-raw craze could fade. As positive men understand resistance better, there may be more reluctance to pick up a new form of the virus. In the same way that some negative guys have sex only with each other, positive guys might start making decisions about risk based on which viral type their partner has. Proof of "wild type" HIV might be required before entry. Plus, men who know they have MDR virus might not find it so easy to ride raw anymore; the fear of passing on a more virulent strain could shatter barebacking's shining image.
But if barebacking's hold on my own sexual fantasies is any indication, it'll take a lot even to tarnish that idea. Just writing about skin-to-skin is so exciting that I want to take a break right now and j.rk off. Part of the joy of sex is its obsessive, all-encompassing irrationality, but condoms have prevented me from exploring that side. Riding bareback with other positive men is a less guilt-ridden way to indulge in that exploration.
I've only gone raw with a positive guy that one time. This has mostly to do with the fact that I'm in a monogamous relationship with a negative guy. .If I weren't, I think I'd actively pursue barebacking as do many of my positive friends -- and feel OK about it.
It's a tricky situation. Already resistant to all approved nucleoside analogs and protease inhibitors, I worry little about being reinfected with a more dangerous virus. I understand that I do present a threat to most positive guys I f.ck raw with.
How do I justify pursuing acts with other positive men that many would describe as callous, even malicious? Am I guilty of skirting the facts in pursuit of pleasure? Or is the reinfection science shaky enough that it's not irrational for positive men to go skin-to-skin? With the risks so hazy and the benefits so brilliantly clear, no wonder riding bareback is all the rage. For me, being infected in the first place is such a doomful event that any act that brings pleasure, even a risky one, is worth grabbing for. Or so it often feels.
Death - 05 Dec 2005 06:50 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> For those who wondered where all the unsafe sex > came from after the 1996 introduction of the > protease inhibitor cocktail drugs for HIV ... well > here's a clue. faggots
Susie, age 9 - 05 Dec 2005 16:02 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > faggots Death, why does it seem that there is only one word on your mind at all times?
For you, a lifetime mantra.
And everybody knows why that is ...
susie
Death - 05 Dec 2005 18:01 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Death, why does it seem that there is only one word > on your mind at all times? LOL, we both had the same answer only mine was 7k smaller.
Susie, age 9 - 05 Dec 2005 20:07 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> > LOL, mine was smaller. Perhaps another reason why you fear homosexuals and your own homosexuality.
Give up and just try to be a good bottom.
susie
Death - 05 Dec 2005 20:49 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> Death, why does it seem that there is only one word > >> on your mind at all times? > >> > > LOL, mine was smaller. you alter my statement and then present a commentary based on the forgery, how faggot.
Susie age 9 shows the depths you'll sink to in order to avoid reality.
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message LOL, we both had the same answer only mine was 7k smaller.
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 01:44 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you alter my statement and then present a commentary > based on the forgery, how faggot. You've altered my statements and then presented a commentary based on faggotry, you forger.
> Susie age 9 shows the depths you'll sink to > in order to avoid reality. I embrace the reality that you are left muttering "quack quack quack".
LOL!!!
susie
James Riske - 06 Dec 2005 03:26 GMT >> "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >>> >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > >susie We have all embraced the reality that you are a liar.
"The anus is so etched onto the minds of homosexuals that even mental illness does not prevent them from focusing on it." -- Erik Holland
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 16:14 GMT > We have all embraced the reality that you are a liar. Coming from yet another bigoted internalized homophobe such as yourself, thanks for the compliment.
susie
Death - 06 Dec 2005 06:39 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > You've altered my statements and then presented a commentary > based on faggotry, you forger. Ok, I'll play, show me.
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 16:16 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> > Ok, I'll play, show me. When I show you - as I have in the recent past - you don't play. You are a lying closet case with Racial Anxiety Disorder.
susie
Death - 06 Dec 2005 16:58 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > When I show you - LOL
>as I have in the recent past - LOL
> you don't play. You are a lying closet case again with the you are a faggot too, LOL
> with Racial Anxiety Disorder. you haven't shown anything, all you do is run your cocksucker, but then you are just a faggot
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 17:04 GMT > you haven't shown anything, all you do is run your cocksucker, > but then you are just a faggot Death, since you demand others to follow a high standard of identity and/or age disclosure, tell us, what is your REAL name?
susie
Death - 06 Dec 2005 17:43 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> Death, since you demand others to follow a high standard of identity > and/or age disclosure, tell us, what is your REAL name? Fred Shaw
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 17:51 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> >> Death, since you demand others to follow a high standard of identity >> and/or age disclosure, tell us, what is your REAL name? >> > Fred Shaw Prove it.
susie
Mr. Slave - 07 Dec 2005 04:57 GMT Susie, age 9 wrote...
>>"Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Prove it. I have never used my real name on the Internet. Since I was a kid phreaking my way to BBS systems around the world, it has always been the custom to use an alias or handle. There are so many psycho stalkers out there, I remember one guy in the bipolar group who would harass group members by looking up their names and posting their addresses and phone numbers. Eventually they found out HIS real name, a disgruntled psycho named Andrew Chmilewsky who was on some trip about Paxil and how his ex-wife had his 9 vicious rottweilers euthanized. For awhile he also appended his wife's name, address, and telephone number as well as his sister's to the subject line of every post. Anyway, the point is that you must NEVER use your real name on the Internet. The following is an example of one of his posts, now consider whether you want him to know your name and address:
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TERMINATE PAXIL JUNKIES!
for the sake of the Children if not the rest of humanity. Children and also tortured, abused and killed dogs know what a depraved Paxilated Paxil pervert (redundant) can do. If any live, they live with the mental scars of this forever.
Prozakians are evil, they are THE BORG, they mutilate their Children with unnecessary "medical care", slutiness, spreading deseases as well. SHOOT THEM DOWN! Cremate the remnants. Wipe these Martians off the face of the planet.
I have seen better heroin mothers then the rabid, crazed sh.t that eats Paxil running around, whoring, abusing Children, gambling, dancing wildly in hotel rooms with strange screwed up men and other forms of abnormal, indecent behaviour. Oblivious to career damage, education... all for their pathological desire for a good f.cking and to Paxilate their brains out.
TERMINATE! After awhile, they are no longer hu-man... Their brains are Paxilated.
GMCarter - 07 Dec 2005 12:09 GMT >I have never used my real name on the Internet. Since I was a kid >phreaking my way to BBS systems around the world, it has always >been the custom to use an alias or handle. There are so many >psycho stalkers out there, ... In short, then, you are a coward, afraid of shadows and possibilities.
Susie, age 9 - 07 Dec 2005 18:01 GMT >>I have never used my real name on the Internet. Since I was a kid >>phreaking my way to BBS systems around the world, it has always >>been the custom to use an alias or handle. There are so many >>psycho stalkers out there, ... > > In short, then, you are a coward, afraid of shadows and possibilities. No, he is brilliant, brave and recognizes the virtue of excluding psychos, neurotics and megalomaniacal exhibitionists from his existence, such as yourself, George Mary Carter.
susie
GMCarter - 07 Dec 2005 18:08 GMT >>>I have never used my real name on the Internet. Since I was a kid >>>phreaking my way to BBS systems around the world, it has always [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >exhibitionists from his existence, such as yourself, >George Mary Carter. Dearest frodlet of your own worst enemy....you are speaking to yourself. You used to have a modicum of courage.
Susie, age 9 - 07 Dec 2005 18:35 GMT >>>>I have never used my real name on the Internet. Since I was a kid >>>>phreaking my way to BBS systems around the world, it has always [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Dearest frodlet of your own worst enemy....you are speaking to > yourself. You used to have a modicum of courage. And George Mary, you speaketh in tongues, uncourageous in conviction, a much older twinkster and far less wiser that the complete idiot you once were.
susie
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