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GMCarter - 03 Dec 2005 13:57 GMT
Treating parasitic worm helps patients fight HIV
Eggs of the parasite that causes schistosomiasis, which affects
millions worldwide
Priya Shetty
14 November 2005
Source: SciDev.Net

Treating schistosomiasis — a disease caused by microscopic worms — can
boost the immune systems of people with HIV/AIDS, say researchers.

They say the finding suggests that schistosomiasis — or bilharzia —
suppresses our ability to fight infection. This might mean that
HIV/AIDS progresses faster in patients who are also infected by the
worms.

The Danish and Zimbabwean researchers published their findings online
in the 1 December issue of The Journal of Infectious Diseases.

The researchers recruited two groups of schistosomiasis patients in
Zimbabwe, some of whom also had HIV. One group was immediately treated
for schistosomiasis, while the other had to wait three months for
treatment.

In HIV-infected people, the number of CD4 cells — which help fight
infection — is used as a measure of the infection's severity. The
higher the count, the better the individual is able to fight the
disease.

When patients in the study who had both diseases were treated for
schistosomiasis, their CD4 counts rose and the amount of HIV in their
bodies dropped. In those whose treatment was delayed, the CD4 count
did not improve and the amount of HIV in their systems continued to
rise.

The team found that CD4 cells also increased in people who did not
have HIV. They say this suggests that schistosomiasis suppresses the
immune system in everyone it infects.

The precise extent to which schistosomiasis speeds the development of
AIDS is still unknown, the researchers say. They call for more
research in African populations at risk of both diseases to determine
whether treatment for schistosomiasis should be incorporated into
HIV/AIDS therapy.

Link to full paper in The Journal of Infectious Diseases

Reference: The Journal of Infectious Diseases 192, 1956 (2005)
Death - 03 Dec 2005 17:08 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> Treating parasitic worm helps patients fight HIV

It is difficult to find a person whose intestinal functioning is not impaired as a result of
unnatural dietary habits and adverse environmental influences.
Constipation,
intestinal gas,
abdominal pain,
diarrhea,
and
the growing problem of fungal diseases, intestinal yeast, worms, and parasites can often be
traced back to disrupted intestinal functions.

Through eating habits, emotional pressures, or just living in our modern environment, bodies
have become reservoirs for toxic waste. Layer upon layer of waste build-up has accumulated in
intestinal tract. Elimination of waste does not function at optimal levels,
kidneys aren't excreting fully,
livers are not detoxifying completely,
the bile is not flowing properly,
the pancreas can not produce the enzymes meant for digestion,
fats and cholesterol have built up,
skin problems have emerged,
chronic fungal problems or candida won't go away,
and
immune systems have become so compromised that HIV, Epstein Barr and Cancer are common names.
Susie, age 9 - 03 Dec 2005 21:13 GMT
> Treating parasitic worm helps patients fight HIV

Only by taking away a major stimulus for Tregs - after all, AIDS
is caused by Tregs, not by HIV.

susie
GMCarter - 03 Dec 2005 22:58 GMT
>> Treating parasitic worm helps patients fight HIV
>
>Only by taking away a major stimulus for Tregs - after all, AIDS
>is caused by Tregs, not by HIV.

An interesting but unsupported theory.

HIV infection is the proximate cause of the changes in immune profile.

This comment is even more wrongheaded than your other dithering about
ARV therapy.

        George M. Carter
Susie, age 9 - 03 Dec 2005 23:38 GMT
>>> Treating parasitic worm helps patients fight HIV
>>
>>Only by taking away a major stimulus for Tregs - after all, AIDS
>>is caused by Tregs, not by HIV.
>
> An interesting but unsupported theory.

Actually, the Treg theory is far more predictable and reproducible
than the HIV theory.

> HIV infection is the proximate cause of the changes in immune profile.

So far, HIV is implicated only as a co-factor The time from infection
to altered immune profile is far too long to support the HIV-only
theory.

> This comment is even more wrongheaded than your other dithering about
> ARV therapy.

Only a shill for Pharma would say that.

susie
Death - 04 Dec 2005 00:36 GMT
"Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message

> Actually, the Treg theory is far more predictable and reproducible
> than the HIV theory.

In mice.
Once infected the mice are caged, They don't get to go to
the blue oyster bar and buttfuck behind the dumpster while
standing in piss and vomit.
Susie, age 9 - 04 Dec 2005 00:49 GMT
> "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> the blue oyster bar and buttfuck behind the dumpster while
> standing in piss and vomit.

Gee, Death, you seem to have the routine down pretty well
... and you know just where to find the action you truly
deserve.

In fact, you have become a "scratch and sniff" expression
of internalized homophobia.

susie
Death - 04 Dec 2005 01:35 GMT
"Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message

> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
> >
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> ... and you know just where to find the action you truly
> deserve.

I'll defend my statements, you busy yourself with yours.
So far that has been a bust.
GMCarter - 04 Dec 2005 10:44 GMT
>Actually, the Treg theory is far more predictable and reproducible
>than the HIV theory.

What is the "Treg theory" from your point of view?

>> HIV infection is the proximate cause of the changes in immune profile.
>
>So far, HIV is implicated only as a co-factor The time from infection
>to altered immune profile is far too long to support the HIV-only
>theory.

That doesn't appear to be true at all. There are other animal models
and viruses that can take quite a long time to manifest or that appear
in a relapsing/remitting fashion. Zoster, for example.

Weak argument.

>> This comment is even more wrongheaded than your other dithering about
>> ARV therapy.
>
>Only a shill for Pharma would say that.

Wrong. Utterly, demonstrably wrong.

Many people recognize the value of fluconazole. Many of us reject the
notion that it must cost $12/day because of the profound corruption in
patent law.

If the basis and strength of your other arguments is no stronger than
this one, then you are to be dismissed as a crank and crackpot.

        George M. Carter
Susie, age 9 - 04 Dec 2005 23:48 GMT
>>Actually, the Treg theory is far more predictable and reproducible
>>than the HIV theory.
>
> What is the "Treg theory" from your point of view?

My point of view is irrelevant. I have posted many articles
about Treg disease and will offer many more.

In time, I hope to offer you a better viewpoint.

>>> HIV infection is the proximate cause of the changes in immune profile.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> That doesn't appear to be true at all.

Well it IS true for many - especially those with HIV who don't get sick
at all. That suggests something else is going on - Tregs best explain that
something else.

> There are other animal models
> and viruses that can take quite a long time to manifest or that appear
> in a relapsing/remitting fashion. Zoster, for example.

Nearly everyone has herpes zoster.

Are you saying everyone has HIV?

>>> This comment is even more wrongheaded than your other dithering about
>>> ARV therapy.
>>
>>Only a shill for Pharma would say that.
>
> Wrong. Utterly, demonstrably wrong.

Well, actually, you are towing the medical establishment's Pharma party line
which is as wrong about HIV/AIDS as it was about the cause of stomach
ulcers in the 1970s being the result of "type A personalities".

Some day we'll know who is right - in the meantime, Occam's Razor
requires the simpler explanation rather the ever-changing nonsense
that goes to support the pharmaceutical junk science.

> Many people recognize the value of fluconazole.

Fluconazole is not ARV therapy.

> If the basis and strength of your other arguments is no stronger than
> this one, then you are to be dismissed as a crank and crackpot.

Keep calling people names and you will be dismissed as an apologist.

susie
GMCarter - 05 Dec 2005 11:50 GMT
>>>Actually, the Treg theory is far more predictable and reproducible
>>>than the HIV theory.
>>
>> What is the "Treg theory" from your point of view?
>
>My point of view is irrelevant.

Feh. That's your usual dodge, Frod.

Make a bold claim as if you know what you're talking about then admit
you don't know at all.

        George M. Carter
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 16:56 GMT
>>>>Actually, the Treg theory is far more predictable and reproducible
>>>>than the HIV theory.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Feh. That's your usual dodge, Frod.

Why must you continually promote yourself as Director
of your organization, FIAR (Frod's International AIDS Research)?

As to points of view, well, they ain't science, except for Public Relations
pharma contractors such as yourself and Mr. Stein.

susie
GMCarter - 05 Dec 2005 11:52 GMT
snip...
>Well, actually, you are towing the medical establishment's Pharma party line
>which is as wrong about HIV/AIDS as it was about the cause of stomach
>ulcers in the 1970s being the result of "type A personalities".

Oh, NOW who is the pharma shill? LOL....ulcers are cured by costly
DRUGS now and you KNOW it!

You are a SHILL for Pharma! It figures. The one screaming "j'accuse"
ridiculously everywhere turns out to be the biggest neo-Geisha.

        George M. Carter
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 17:00 GMT
> snip...
>>Well, actually, you are towing the medical establishment's Pharma party
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Oh, NOW who is the pharma shill?

You are, of course. And Gary Stein. And Brian Mailman etc - we know
who repeats the Pharma Talking Points here.

> LOL....ulcers are cured by costly DRUGS now and you KNOW it!

Well actually they aren't so costly anymore, and you KNOW it!

But imagine that insulin isn't a drug for diabetes. George, do you think
all diabetics are pharma shills like you are for a disease you DON'T have?

susie
 
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