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hiv cure for monkeys, not faggots
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Death - 01 Dec 2005 07:05 GMT By Allyn Fisher-Ilan JERUSALEM (Reuters) - A scientist who helped to discover the HIV virus said he has made progress toward producing an AIDS vaccine and hopes to launch a clinical trial in about a year.
Dr. Robert Gallo, the director of the University of Maryland's Institute for Human Virology, said results from animal studies were encouraging.
"I think we've made some advances in making antibodies that will react with the variety of strains of HIV," he told Reuters, referring to the virus that causes AIDS.
Scientists believe a vaccine is the best hope for ending the global AIDS pandemic that has killed about 3.1 million people this year. But defeating the virus has proved more difficult than researchers had expected.
Gallo, in Israel to accept an award from Bar-Ilan University in advance of World AIDS day on Thursday, said it was still too early to say when a vaccine could be produced for humans.
Researchers believe an effective AIDS vaccine is still many years away.
"We have had some interesting results in the monkeys that show we can make an immune response,", Gallo said, noting potential progress on overcoming the problem of mutation of the virus.
But the antibodies produced in his experiments lasted only up to four months, which is far less than needed for an effective vaccine.
"We are making progress with a preventive vaccine, but we are not there yet," added Gallo, who discovered the AIDS virus with France's Luc Montagnier.
Earlier this week Europe's biggest drug maker GlaxoSmithKline Plc announced a plan to develop an experimental AIDS vaccine along with France's Institut Pasteur.
They intend to make the vaccine by fusing genes from HIV on to an existing vaccine for measles.
More than 30 AIDS vaccine trials in humans are ongoing but no one can predict if any will be effective against the virus that has infected nearly 5 million people in 2005.
Antiretroviral drugs have prolonged lives of people with HIV/AIDS but public health experts say preventing the spread of virus, by using condoms, abstinence and needle exchange programs, is also essential for halting the epidemic.
The number of people living with HIV/AIDS hit a record high of 40.3 million this year, according to the latest figures from the Joint United Nations Program on HIV/AIDS (UNAIDS) and the World Health Organization.
© Reuters 2005.
tsip29 - 01 Dec 2005 11:52 GMT ... think we've made some advances in making antibodies that will react with the variety of strains of HIV," he told Reuters, referring to the virus that causes AIDS.
please explain why do we need a vaccine to produce antibodies,we have already have antibodies against hiv! you get tested for that with the "hiv"-test.
i find this a bite strange to accept!
Susie, age 9 - 01 Dec 2005 17:02 GMT > ... think we've made some advances in making antibodies that will react > with the variety of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > i find this a bite strange to accept! Methinks Death has a problem with monkeys.
susie
Death - 01 Dec 2005 20:12 GMT "tsip29" <nnormen@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> ... think we've made some advances in making antibodies that will react > with the variety of > strains of HIV," he told Reuters, referring to the virus that causes > AIDS. Here is the statement Gallo made:
"I think we've made some advances in making antibodies that will react with the (variety of strains) of HIV," he told Reuters, referring to the virus that causes AIDS.
The article continues:
Researchers believe an effective AIDS vaccine is still many years away.
> please explain why do we need a vaccine to produce antibodies,we have > already have antibodies against hiv! you get tested for that with the > "hiv"-test. > > i find this a bite strange to accept! The article continues:
"We have had some interesting results in the monkeys that show we can make an immune response,", Gallo said, noting potential progress on overcoming the problem of mutation of the virus.
Here Gallo clearly says the virus mutates. The virus they attempted to clean up years ago, is not the virus that exists today.
A vaccine takes years to produce, test, retest, get grubment approval, package and market. Well guess what ole aids as been doing during that time.
Mutating again. The vaccine is useless. In an attempt to salvage money, labor and time, they then mix what has worked into a cocktail, inhaler, pill, shot, paste, jell, liquid, tablet or ...........something,
but guess what ole aids has been doing during that time.
If you are not bored yet, they use monkeys as subjects. Good idea/bad idea. The monkey strain does not mutate as readily. Can I prove that, no.
But then their behavior is pretty much constant. They don't visit faggot bars and mix viruses. They don't travel by jet to other countries and mix with that virus strain. They are not known for their cases of malaria, flu, TB, hep....well you see my point.
people on the other hand...........
Susie, age 9 - 01 Dec 2005 20:55 GMT > Here is the statement Gallo made: > > "I think we've made some advances in making antibodies that will react > with the (variety of > strains) of HIV," he told Reuters, referring to the virus that causes > AIDS. Death, you are missing the point (and so is Gallo).
The point is that the HIV test is an ANTIBODY test. After all, how can someone test positive to HIV if they have NO antibodies?
Supposedly, this is the result of an ongoing immune response to the virus.
So if you have plenty of antibodies to all strains of HIV, then why would Gallo think you need more?
> If you are not bored yet, they use monkeys as subjects. Good idea/bad > idea. > The monkey strain does not mutate as readily. Can I prove that, no. Gee, death, I thought you loved monkeys and hated homosexuals.
Besides, homosexuals are cheaper than monkeys and would be willing to do things that monkeys won't.
> But then their behavior is pretty much constant. > They don't visit faggot bars and mix viruses. Now you are getting the point.
> They don't travel by jet to other countries and mix > with that virus strain. But they do travel by tree and mix with other SIV strains.
> They are not known for their cases of > malaria, flu, TB, hep....well you see my point. Ah, yes. Now you see MY point - that heterosexuals are a lot like monkeys and are known for overbreeding and transmission of diseases that have plagued mankind for a very long time: TB, hepatitis, smallpox, the plague, abortions, wars, etc. etc.
And don't forget - HIV didn't originate in homosexuals.
Oh no - heterosexuals can be thanked for that little monkey.
susie
Death - 02 Dec 2005 02:12 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> Oh no - heterosexuals can be thanked for that little monkey. I will make this suggestion to you:
(you) look up and (you) research out :
KS herpe virus, and compare it to hepatitis B.
Do some homework, it will amaze you. Oh, keep a time line.
Susie, age 9 - 02 Dec 2005 16:36 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > KS herpe virus, No need - KSV is nowhere to be found, as it has run its course having arisen from the polio monkey tissue experiments of the 1950's and thus arrived in the CDC's HepB vaccine version targeted against homosexuals by the CDC's own embodiment of Nazi doctor Mengele, also known as Dr. Donald Francis.
> and compare it to hepatitis B. Interestingly, you included KSV with Hep-B, since KSV arrived in the earliest HepB "gay" vaccines.
The gay version wasn't actually sterile - thus the unknown presence of KSV and HIV and God-knows-what-else. Dr. Francis (a heterosexual) conducted his human experiments by administering this contaminated vaccine to gay male "tops" and these vaccines were targeted for the gay bath houses in the large US cities (e.g. New York, San Francisco).
So, you see, Death - you are wrong: HIV was foisted upon the gay community by the heterosexual-dominant CDC ... the government. This is the ONLY scientific model that explains the broad, sudden appearance of a "syndrome" that, over the years, has changed VERY dramatically.
In other words, KSV is NOT spread sexually - so you might as well drop that one because it will bite you in your heterosexual disease-spreading a.s every time.
> Do some homework, it will amaze you. And so you shall be amazed if you would only bother to do yours.
Of course, HepB in China is rampant - thanks to heterosexual cravings for injectable drugs and that country's incapacity to provide sterile injection media or, for that matter, autoclaves in many hospitals.
You see, according to the Chinese government, there ARE NO homosexuals in China.
Do your homework, straight boy.
susie
Death - 03 Dec 2005 03:26 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> No need - KSV is nowhere to be found, ... > > So, you see, Death - you are wrong: ... > > In other words, KSV is NOT spread sexually - ... always the loser never the bride, here ya go Frank age 40.
David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor
One of the most insidious plagues in the continuing AIDS epidemic is Kaposi's sarcoma, the cancerlike disorder that disfigures the skin with reddish tumors and painfully attacks the throat, the lymph glands, the body's internal organs and the linings of veins and arteries. Known in the world of AIDS as KS, the tumors of Kaposi's once were one of the most widespread infections of the epidemic, and even today at least 25,000 people living with AIDS nationwide suffer from the lesions. But KS may now be finally yielding on two fronts:
-- The sexually transmitted virus that causes the KS lesions has just been firmly identified by a team at the University of California at San Francisco.
-- An international research group has just found that a mysterious protein linked to a hormone produced by pregnant women possesses a remarkable ability to shrink the tumors and build the body's blood supply.
Interestingly, their tests also show that the protein appears to lower blood levels of HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.
Scientists at UCSF are reporting today that they have identified a unique strain of herpes virus as the primary cause of Kaposi's sarcoma, while the international team, led by Dr. Robert Gallo at his Institute of Human Virology in Baltimore, announced yesterday that they have tested their protein and discovered its remarkable range of effects.
A report from the UCSF group published in the New England Journal of Medicine today identifies a herpes virus called HHV-8 as the cause of Kaposi's sarcoma, and the data show that the virus is most often transmitted during homosexual intercourse between men.
The researchers, headed by UCSF microbiologist Dr. Dean Kedes, studied the sexual histories and blood samples of 800 men from San Francisco's Castro neighborhood whose frozen blood had been stored at the San Francisco City Clinic for more than 10 years. Half the men were infected with HIV, the AIDS virus, and half were not.
The researchers detected evidence of the HHV-8 virus in more than 37 percent of the men who reported any homosexual activity within the previous five years but found no virus at all in the exclusively heterosexual men who were part of the study.
Men infected with HIV and also with HHV-8 had a 50 percent chance of developing KS within 10 years, the researchers found. And transmission of the herpes virus increased with the number of years of regular homosexual intercourse, the number of sexual partners the men reported and their history of other sexually transmitted diseases, according to the researchers.
"The major mode of transmission is sexual," said Kedes, and he added: "If you are infected and HIV positive, you're in trouble.'
According to Dr. Jeffrey Martin, an epidemiologist and a co-author of the study, discovering the viral cause of KS can help AIDS specialists understand its specific transmission routes -- whether the virus moves most effectively through oral-genital contact, receptive anal intercourse or oral- anal contact, for example.
PREVENTION STRATEGIES
That knowledge, in turn, can prove invaluable for developing new prevention strategies that would focus specifically on minimizing transmission of the virus by avoiding the most dangerous sexual activities, Martin said. According to Dr. Donald E. Ganem, another co-author of the study, the HHV-8 virus is an essential cause of KS, but the disorder also requires a co-factor such as HIV.
But now that the crucial role of the KS virus is known, Ganem said, drug developers who are continually producing new compounds against other herpes viruses should quickly find and test new drugs against the KS virus.
"This is a truly exciting development," Ganem said, "considering that the virus was only identified in 1994, and now we not only know that it is the cause of KS, but we're also ready to think about new anti-viral drugs and clinical trials to prevent or delay its onset."
The international team that has pinpointed the protein with such powerful effects on both KS and the AIDS virus itself reported its work in the journal Nature Medicine this week and included researchers from Gallo's laboratory as well as from Columbia University, the University of Southern California, and universities in Quebec and Brussels.
FOLLOWING A HUNCH
Although KS itself is not a true cancer, it is called by researchers a "viral sarcoma," and although it is essentially benign, its lesions can and often do become fiercely malignant. Nearly four years ago, scientists who were then investigating KS with Gallo at the National Cancer Institute noticed that pregnant laboratory mice infected with HIV did not develop KS lesions, while HIV-positive males in the same cages did. That led the researchers to a hunch -- and as so often happens in science, the researchers pursued their hunch: The apparent resistance to KS, they reasoned, might be due to a hormone associated with pregnancy.
Found in the urine of women, that hormone of early pregnancy is called HCG, or human chronionic gonadotrophin, and its primary function is to protect the course of the pregnancy so the fetus can develop normally.
Ever since the researchers' hunch, in experiments using laboratory cell cultures as well as mice, monkeys and humans, the international research team has tested the effects of HCG on KS, with curious results.
As they tested crude extracts of the hormone on groups of volunteers with KS, Gallo's colleagues found it had startling results: Something apparently associated with the HCG hormone shrunk some of the KS tumors and unexpectedly lowered the levels of the AIDS virus itself in the bloodstream of some patients dramatically, even though the patients were undergoing no other AIDS therapy.
And equally unanticipated, Gallo reported, the hormone stimulated the bone marrow of some KS patients to increase production of the "progenitor" cells that give rise to the body's supply of healthy red and white blood cells.
As the experiments continued, the scientists found that the crude hormone itself was not the agent, but rather must be one of many protein fragments found in the urine of the pregnant women and linked in some unknown way to HCG.
NEEDLE IN A HAYSTACK
As Gallo described it in an interview this week: "At first, the observation was startling, but as we hunted for the material in urine that seemed to show such effects, we found that more and more proteins were spilling out, and that we needed to look for a needle while were were testing the whole haystack."
By now, the team has found the protein that appears to be the long- sought version of its needle but has yet to determine its chemical structure completely. It remains an unidentified protein that the group has labeled HAF, for HCG- associated factor, and which Gallo predicts will be precisely determined in the next few months.
Whatever that factor proves to be, Gallo said this week, the protein could "open the way for a whole new field of anti-viral research," and a possible pathway to new therapies for KS.
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Susie, age 9 - 03 Dec 2005 21:21 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> In other words, KSV is NOT spread sexually - ... sorry Death - you need to do better than newspaper junk science.
KS has not been proven to be transmitted sexually.
> David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor
> Known in the world of AIDS as KS, the tumors of Kaposi's once were one of > the most widespread > infections of the epidemic, and even today at least 25,000 people living > with AIDS nationwide > suffer from the lesions. The reference for this claim would be useful - however, even if true (which I doubt), this would still prove my point about non-sexual transmission.
> -- The sexually transmitted virus that causes the KS lesions has just been > firmly identified by > a team at the University of California at San Francisco. If true, every gay man with HIV would also have KS - obviously that is NOT the case and someone at UCSF needs grant money, obviously.
> -- An international research group has just found that a mysterious > protein linked to a hormone > produced by pregnant women possesses a remarkable ability to shrink the > tumors and build the > body's blood supply. BS. IL-6 downregulates in pregnancy - KS requires IL-6 to manifest.
I could take this article apart piece by piece but I got better things to do, so I'll just snip the rest of Death's junk science and pray that the poor creature someday learns the difference between the junk and the real thing (but I doubt it).
susie
Death - 03 Dec 2005 21:52 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> >> In other words, KSV is NOT spread sexually - ... > > > KS has not been proven to be transmitted sexually. > > The reference for this claim would be useful - however, even if true (which > I doubt),
> this would still prove my point about non-sexual transmission. LOL, loser Frank age 40
Susie, age 9 - 03 Dec 2005 23:41 GMT > LOL, loser Frank age 40 What's the matter, Death - don't like it when a little girl shows you up to be the zero that you truly are?
susie
Death - 04 Dec 2005 01:11 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > > > LOL, loser Frank age 40 > > What's the matter, Death - don't like it when a little girl shows > you up to be the zero that you truly are? I don't know, I'm still waiting for you to try Frank age 40.
Susie, age 9 - 04 Dec 2005 23:18 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > I don't know, I'm still waiting for you to try Frank age 40. I'm not interested in age 40 men no matter their name ... but I suppose that's someone you must have a crush on.
susie
Death - 05 Dec 2005 01:22 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > >> > > I don't know, I'm still waiting for you to try Frank age 40. > > I'm not interested in age 40 men no matter their name ... > but I suppose that's someone you must have a crush on. I never said you were Frank. Why defend against what was never said? Can't you handle what is being said?
You avoid reality like a faggot avoids ai never mind.
Susie, age 9 - 05 Dec 2005 05:08 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> > I never said you were Frank. I know that ... but obviously Frank is someone important to you.
> Why defend against what was never said? I'm not defending against anything ... YOU are!
LOL!
susie
Death - 05 Dec 2005 06:11 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > I'm not defending against anything ... YOU are! yes fag, you are, there it is, in print. yes, I know quack quack quack
Susie, age 9 - 05 Dec 2005 06:28 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> > yes fag, you are, there it is, in print. Nope.
susie
Death - 05 Dec 2005 07:07 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > >> > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Nope. frank the fraud frod wrote in message
> I'm not interested in age 40 men... little boys more to your taste?
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 16:48 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> >> I'm not interested in age 40 men... > > little boys more to your taste? Not yet - however, I'll bet the mere mention of "doing boys" seems to fill your jeans with joy.
susie
Death - 06 Dec 2005 18:05 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > > > little boys more to your taste? > > Not yet - ... Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 18:22 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Not yet - ... As always Death left out the best part:
>> Not yet - however, I'll bet the mere mention of "doing >> boys" seems to fill your jeans with joy. susie
Death - 06 Dec 2005 19:29 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> quacked in message
> As always Death left out the best part: quack quack quack
Gary Stein - 04 Dec 2005 03:02 GMT >> "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > KS has not been proven to be transmitted sexually. In your dreams maybe it hasn't been. Recent studies have shown that KS is caused by a kind of sexually transmitted herpesvirus that has been called KSHV, or HHV 8. This information has been known since the mid 1990's where have you been?
>> David Perlman, Chronicle Science Editor > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the > case and someone at UCSF needs grant money, obviously. Why would you make that claim Frod? Why do you suppose that all people do not get every disease known to man? HHV 8 and HIV are not the same virus, and KS as the result of HHV 8 infection only occurs in advanced late stage AIDs which ARV successfully prevents for the vast majority of patients who use them.
Gary Stein
Susie, age 9 - 04 Dec 2005 23:28 GMT >>> "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
>> KS has not been proven to be transmitted sexually. > > In your dreams maybe it hasn't been. Recent studies have shown that KS is > caused by a kind of sexually transmitted herpesvirus that has been called > KSHV, or HHV 8. This information has been known since the mid 1990's where > have you been? I was born in 1996, so pardon my ignorance. Nonetheless, you offer no proof that HHV8 is spread sexually.
According to the CDC, HHV8 is found in 1 to 5% of the US population. In the Mediterranean area, that goes up to 20%. It is higher in other areas.
I'm not convinced that HHV8 is sexually transmitted. There ARE other ways to transmit it, you know. I just have trouble with the idea that heterosexual populations have a 20% or higher incidence of HHV8 that is transmitted sexually.
Of course, the CDC seems to be silent about the incidence of KS as an OI in non-US populations.
Other OIs can produce KS-like lesions, so KS can be easily misdiagnosed.
> and KS as the result of HHV 8 infection only occurs in advanced late stage > AIDs which ARV successfully prevents for the vast majority of patients who > use them. Dream on ... KS lesions began to disappear LONG before the ARV cocktail drugs - so did PCP.
If you knew your stuff, you would know that.
susie
> Gary Stein Death - 05 Dec 2005 01:34 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Gary Stein" <ge.stein@verizon.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I was born in 1996, so pardon my ignorance. Nonetheless, you offer > no proof that HHV8 is spread sexually. Two lies in one sentence. You did not exit your mothers womb in 1996. Your ignorance has been around (much) longer than that. Proof has been provided that HHV8, KSV, is spread through faggot anal shitfucking.
> According to the CDC, HHV8 is found in 1 to 5% of the US population. > In the Mediterranean area, that goes up to 20%. It is higher in other areas. 1-5 percent, the population percentage of faggots, go figure. The Med area is eaten alive with aids so their percentages will be higher.
> I'm not convinced that HHV8 is sexually transmitted. Not because you haven't been educated to the truth. You disbelieve because it suits you to, period.
Susie, age 9 - 05 Dec 2005 05:12 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > You did not exit your mothers womb in 1996. You don't know that because you weren't there.
> Proof has been provided that HHV8, KSV, is spread > through faggot anal shitfucking. Nope. Any YOU are a potty mouth.
>> According to the CDC, HHV8 is found in 1 to 5% of the US population. >> In the Mediterranean area, that goes up to 20%. It is higher in other >> areas. >> > 1-5 percent, the population percentage of faggots, go figure. Nope. That was the predominantly heterosexual population at large.
> The Med area is eaten alive with aids so their percentages will be higher. Again, out-of-control filthy heterosexual animals.
Death prays that he is heterosexual...
but we know better, don't we?
susie
Death - 05 Dec 2005 06:43 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > You don't know that because you weren't there. Then I'll ask you for the forth time Susie:
Did you exit your mothers womb 9 years ago as a female?
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 16:50 GMT > "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message > > Then I'll ask you for the forth time Susie: That's spelled "f-o-u-r-t-h", you idot.
> Did you exit your mothers womb 9 years ago > as a female? I don't know - my eyes were closed at the time and daddy forgot to bring the movie camera.
So I guess you screwed the pooch on that one.
susie
Death - 06 Dec 2005 18:08 GMT "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > That's spelled "f-o-u-r-t-h", you idot. Bye golly, it shore am
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