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Death - 17 Nov 2005 17:25 GMT Dispute Over Blood Donations Divides Homosexuals in Australia By Patrick Goodenough CNSNews.com International Editor November 17, 2005
(CNSNews.com) - A legal complaint in Australia over Red Cross restrictions on blood donations from homosexuals has triggered a squabble within the homosexual community, with charges and epithets flying.
Some activists have accused others of undermining the "safe sex" message by suggesting that sex between men carries the risk of HIV/AIDS whether condoms are used are not. Many conservatives have been making that argument for years.
At the heart of the clash is a complaint currently being considered by the state of Tasmania's Anti-Discrimination Commission.
Michael Cain, 22, charges that the Australian Red Cross Blood Service acted in a discriminatory way when it refused to take blood from him because he was a sexually active homosexual.
Because of HIV/AIDS risks, the blood service excludes donors who have had "male-to-male sex" within the preceding 12 months.
Nor will it take blood from anyone who in the previous 12 months has had a tattoo, a blood transfusion, a body piercing, been in prison, had sex with a prostitute or had a partner with hepatitis B or C.
Cain argued that the Red Cross should have taken blood from him regardless of his sexual history, and then tested it for HIV. He said its refusal to allow him to donate contravened anti-discrimination legislation passed in Tasmania in 1998.
As the Red Cross earlier this month prepared its detailed 60-page response to the complaint, its case was bolstered when three of Australia's major AIDS bodies came out in support.
The Australian Federation of AIDS Organizations, Australian Society for HIV Medicine and AIDS Council of New South Wales ran a joint advertisement in homosexual media, supporting the Red Cross stance.
In Australia, they said, those who have male-to-male sex "are the group most likely to have HIV."
Noting that 80 percent of Australians receive blood at some stage during their lifetime, the three bodies said "all people have a right to uncompromised blood supplies and that means screening donors and blood to make sure it is safe."
"Donating blood is not a 'right,' " they added.
The intervention by the AIDS bodies brought an angry response from some quarters.
Tasmania-based Rodney Croome, arguably Australia's leading homosexual activist, questioned where the three organizations' "ultimate loyalties lie" and concluded that they were "Red Cross glove puppets."
"Do [the three groups] care more about gay men being unfairly stigmatized as lepers, or their own standing with government and the corporate health sector?" he asked.
Croome, who heads the Tasmanian Gay and Lesbian Rights Group, criticized the three organizations for not consulting with Cain - the man challenging the blood donation policy - before releasing an ad which could have an impact on his legal case.
Croome also went further, charging in a statement that the AIDS bodies were undermining the "safe sex" argument.
"For 20 years AIDS experts have been rightly telling us that safe sex is good enough to protect the lives of gay men, but now they're saying it's not good enough to protect the blood supply," he said.
"Either safe sex prevents the transmission of HIV or it doesn't."
By suggesting the latter, the very organizations entrusted to protect homosexuals from infection were instead "sending out a highly irresponsible message." Croome implied that this "message" may result in some homosexuals shunning condoms.
A Red Cross spokeswoman said Thursday the organization could not comment on a case before the legal commission.
"In terms of international standards we're one of the safest blood services in the world. We do have quite strict policies in a lot of different areas and this is just one of them," she said.
"For years we have been saying that using condoms does not mean 'safe sex,' " Jenny Stokes, research director for a Christian ethics group, Salt Shakers, said Thursday.
"It may make it 'safer' but it does not guarantee immunity from acquiring HIV/AIDS."
Stokes compared using a condom in a bid to avoid AIDS with jumping out of a plane with a parachute.
"You want to know that the parachute is safe, not just safer."
"The homosexual activists may want to argue about 'safe sex' or 'safer sex' and play Russian roulette with their lives, but we want to ensure that we have a safe blood supply," she said.
'Put down the victim flag'
The debate continues on the website of a Sydney newspaper catering for homosexual, lesbian and bisexual readers.
"If I or a loved one is in a situation where we are to receive blood, I want to know that the Red Cross has done all they can to minimize the risk of infection from blood-borne diseases," wrote one reader from New South Wales.
"If that means that the Red Cross has to make some tough decisions and exclude certain groups of people as a risk management tool, then so be it."
But another contributor said there was a "bigger picture" to consider.
"Imagine how young people who are just coming to terms with their sexuality would feel when their attitudes about being gay are tainted by the Red Cross' policy and the community [organizations] public supporting of that policy."
A third wrote: "Thank God for ACON and the Red Cross. As someone who became HIV positive in 1984 due to three blood transfusions, let me say I am glad diligent screening of all blood supplies continues to this day in an effort to stop the spread of the virus by blood products."
It was time for Croome to "put down his always-ready-to-wave 'victim' flag," he said.
In the U.S., the American Red Cross says prospective donors "should not give blood if you have AIDS or have ever had a positive HIV test, or if you have done something that puts you at risk for becoming infected with HIV."
"You are at risk for getting infected if you ... are a male who has had sexual contact with another male, even once, since 1977," it says.
In Britain, men who have had sex with men are permanently banned from donating blood.
Texas Smoke - 18 Nov 2005 02:03 GMT I've donated blood every 8 weeks for the past 30 years and the Red Cross, since the mid 80's has always "deferred" male donors (who admit) they've had sex with another male even once since 1977.
> Dispute Over Blood Donations Divides Homosexuals in Australia > By Patrick Goodenough [quoted text clipped - 172 lines] > In Britain, men who have had sex with men are permanently banned from > donating blood. James Riske - 18 Nov 2005 02:17 GMT >I've donated blood every 8 weeks for the past 30 years and the Red Cross, >since the mid 80's has always "deferred" male donors (who admit) they've had >sex with another male even once since 1977. There is a red cross in Akron, Oh that allegedly pays good money to people for donating blood, they turn away faggots but faggots can lie (tons of examples on usenet), a faggot can go in there and make money all the while sentencing someone to death.
Isn't there a way they can test the blood before accepting it?
"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."--Edmund Burke
tsip29 - 18 Nov 2005 13:07 GMT ...Isn't there a way they can test the blood before accepting it?
dont you think the would test the blood first, if the will use it.
Death - 18 Nov 2005 19:14 GMT "James Riske" <james_riske@h0tmail.com> wrote in message
> Isn't there a way they can test the blood before accepting it? They do. It is checked for hep. a,b,c,d,e,f,g,h, etc. and any other faggot disease.
They don't trust faggots to tell the truth either.
Bernard Hubbard - 19 Nov 2005 07:48 GMT >>I've donated blood every 8 weeks for the past 30 years and the Red Cross, >>since the mid 80's has always "deferred" male donors (who admit) they've had [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Isn't there a way they can test the blood before accepting it? That's one of the problems with the blood supply in America. The Blood Banks pay for all blood collected and don't want to spend more money on testing it in case they have to throw it out meaning they won't make a profit from it. Do you make good money out of selling your blood in America? Here in Australia it is given for nothing and nothing is charged for its use.
>"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."--Edmund Burke --
"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped."~Elbert Hubbard to quote a relative of mine.
Bernard Hubbard
Death - 19 Nov 2005 15:23 GMT "Bernard Hubbard" <bernard1958@west.net.au> wrote in message
> That's one of the problems with the blood supply in America. ACT UP indicted Merck for its AIDS profiteering with its protease inhibitor Crixivan.
But the last Golden Urn Award went to:
Bayer for knowingly selling HIV-tainted Blood to Hemphiliacs, murdering thousands. "The worst medically induced tragedy in the history of the U.S." Bayer Pharmaceuticalsmurdered thousands of Hemophiliacs when it knowingly sold tainted blood products to patients in the U.S., Canada, Japan, Costa Rica, Mexico, Brazil, the Phillipines, and other countries. The company now sells HIV drugs like IVIG and Mycelex troche tablets to the very people they infected. According to reports, Bayer has also formed a mult-million dollar joint venture with the Red Cross to build a blood products factory in Canada. Bayer is part of a group of blood products companies that are currently being sued by hemophiliacs in several countries. Canadian hemophiliacs who were infected by tainted blood products were awarded approximately $125,000 each as compensation for HIV infection. American hemophiliacs are currently considering an offer of $60,000-$100,000 per person.
"These blood products companies are getting away with murder," commented ACT UP Golden Gate's Bill Thorne. "The financial settlements these companies are paying People with AIDS are only a fraction of the price the patients are paying every year for blood products from the same companies that infected them." Other companies known to have sold tainted blood products include Alpha Therapeutics, Baxter, and Centeon. "This is the worst medically-induced tragedy in the history of the United States," commented Terry Stogdell, an HIV+ hemophiliac. "The company also refuses to acknowledge the danger of other blood-born viruses. Ninety-eight percent of Hemophiliacs have hepetatis, and most have been exposed to arthritis-inducing parvo virus." Although there were 10,000 US Hemophiliacs infected with HIV in 1985, 4,000 have died, not including their partners and children. The company still sells clotting factor to hemophiliacs. Clotting factor, for one person costs between Sl - $6 per unit, or as much as $360,000 per person per year. Due to this fact, most people with Hemophila are living in poverty. Hemophiliacs maintain that Bayer keeps the price high by creating artificial shortages. "Bayer has stopped manufacturing clotting factor to drive up their prices," commented Stogdell. The company is expected to recommence manufacturing in early Fall, 1996, once supplies have dwindled. ACT UP DEMANDS that the Krever commission immediately release the names of the people to blame for the tainted blood tragedy that killed so many.
For more information, please contact: Durhane Wong-Rieger, President Canadian Hemophilia Society 514-848-0503 x40 Terry Stogdell 415/482-1899
Bernard Hubbard - 20 Nov 2005 05:16 GMT >"Bernard Hubbard" <bernard1958@west.net.au> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >Durhane Wong-Rieger, President Canadian Hemophilia Society 514-848-0503 x40 >Terry Stogdell 415/482-1899 About 9 years out of date but it does prove that something is vastly wrong with the blood service industry in America. --
"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped."~Elbert Hubbard to quote a relative of mine.
Bernard Hubbard
John Smith - 20 Nov 2005 06:10 GMT Someone quoted an insane spokesman for ACT UP as saying...
>>"These blood products companies are getting away with murder," commented ACT UP Golden Gate's >>Bill Thorne. "The financial settlements these companies are paying People with AIDS are only a >>fraction of the price the patients are paying every year for blood products from the same >>companies that infected them." Hmm, I'm sure that if the blood products companies made any effort to screen out gay men in San Francisco as donors that the same ACT UP Golden Gate organization would be protesting that too. I seriously doubt any present member of ACT UP caught HIV from a blood transfusion, yet in the same breath they accuse blood tranfusions for causing the present situation and also demand that gay men in San Francisco be allowed to donate blood so as not to discriminate.
Death - 20 Nov 2005 15:13 GMT "John Smith" <jsmith@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> Hmm, I'm sure that if the blood products companies made any effort to > screen out gay men in San Francisco as donors that the same ACT UP [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > present situation and also demand that gay men in San Francisco be > allowed to donate blood so as not to discriminate. Ok. Prof perv said this is 9 years out of date. This is a follow up to an article I posted about fags not being allowed to donate.
The 9 year gap is how times have changed. From the time blood was not screened to the present when it is.
HIV through blood transfer is now almost unheard of from a time when thousands were given tainted blood.
The only thing I can see as far as a goal is to infect as many as possible with tainted blood so act up can point and say (again) that aids is not just a faggot disease, that everyone can get it.
Texas Smoke - 09 Dec 2005 15:48 GMT I don't get paid to donate blood and I don't "think" that the Red Cross pays people to donate anymore. They used to pay people for donating blood, I think they stopped doing that after AIDs showed up in the 80's.
>>>I've donated blood every 8 weeks for the past 30 years and the Red Cross, >>>since the mid 80's has always "deferred" male donors (who admit) they've [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Bernard Hubbard
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