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Alfonz Mephesto - 11 Nov 2005 19:05 GMT
A bit old, but I had discovered that until recently a positive HIV
test was not a required reportable disease, while just about every
other communicable disease have long been.  I think the following
shows that preventing further spread of HIV is the last thing the
activists want:

(Jan. 1999)
http://www.sfaf.org/policy/hivpolicywatch/9901pw.html#Assemblywoman%20Migden

"Unfortunately, in New York and increasingly in California, names
reporting advocates have attempted to link HIV reporting to the
issue of partner notification, arguing that names reporting is
necessary to ensure that public health officials are able to notify
the sexual and needle-sharing partners of HIV infected individuals
about their potential exposure to HIV."

-------

The law has since been changed but to require non-name reporting.
The state now has numbers for new HIV infections, it simply does
not know who is infected and cannot take action to prevent them
from spreading the virus.  What I still can't figure out is why
previously diagnosed "AIDS" cases were reportable but not HIV
cases?  Who cares if an HIV patient has progressed to the final
stages of AIDS, and at the time the law was written it didn't
matter because there was (and still is) no cure.  What possible
use is data showing how many people currently have the final
AIDS symptoms but not to have data showing how many more people
will progress to that stage in the next several years?  If
anything, "AIDS" should be less-reportable disease because by
that stage the symptoms of HIV infection are very obvious and
the patient much less likely to infect others.
GMCarter - 11 Nov 2005 19:34 GMT
>A bit old, but I had discovered that until recently a positive HIV
>test was not a required reportable disease, while just about every
>other communicable disease have long been.  I think the following
>shows that preventing further spread of HIV is the last thing the
>activists want:

Wrong. The problems with mandatory testing or names reporting are
myriad with a disease that has so much stigma and discrimination.
People would rather NOT get tested than risk losing their jobs, homes,
lives, children--things are not as bad as they used to be (when kids'
homes were burned down when they tried to go to school) but they're
still far from safe. Plus there have been problems with the state's
ability to maintain confidentiality.

So these things scare people away from testing.

By contrast, methods and means exist to provide confidential,
anonymoous testing using interventions such as unique identifiers that
will allow epidemiologic data to be developed and assure appropriate
protections.

Once again, the right is wrong.

        George M. Carter
Death - 11 Nov 2005 19:55 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> By contrast, methods and means exist to provide confidential,
> anonymoous testing

and here you were pretending you didn't like anony-moous.

such a two-faced hypocrite
I'd bet you suck dick with both of 'em.
GMCarter - 11 Nov 2005 20:03 GMT
>"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> By contrast, methods and means exist to provide confidential,
>> anonymoous testing
>>
>and here you were pretending you didn't like anony-moous.

Hahahahahahaha! Darling, you're a MUCH better clown than I ever could
hope to be!

The hypocrite is of course YOU! Going on about manly this and real man
that. Hahahahahahahaha!

Oh lord, thank you anonymous schmuck. You've brought tears to my eyes!

Hahahahahaha!
Death - 11 Nov 2005 23:36 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> >> anony-moous.
>
>  anonymous

who says you can't teach an old clown new tricks?
GMCarter - 12 Nov 2005 00:20 GMT
>"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>who says you can't teach an old clown new tricks?

but clown, you've learned no new tricks.
Death - 12 Nov 2005 02:09 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

>  "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> but clown, you've learned no new tricks.

There are numerous things I've never learned.
I never learned to count my CD4 cells.
I never had to learn the regiment of meds to take
because I never learned not to let a male f.ck me
in the a.s.
I could go on and on, ( butt ) you got the point, my turdbandit.

hey wanna watch the fags go to the second hand store and buy
dresses so they can play like they are women?
GMCarter - 12 Nov 2005 12:28 GMT
>hey wanna watch the fags go to the second hand store and buy
>dresses so they can play like they are women?

Lots of hetero men do that! Cross dressing and drag are great fun.
Fun. A concept you lost AGES ago.

LOL...and guess what? I've had men f.ck my a.s and it was great fun!
And they wore condoms.

I'm fortunate not to have HIV. Last I checked anyway.

It isn't anal sex that causes AIDS. It's HIV.

By the bye, brain boils, one still wonders why you spent such an
inordinate amount of time with all these people living with HIV and
AIDS and fighting hard to stay well and alive? Why do you hang out in
forums where many of us are unapologetic, out Queers?

Every day! And I know you go through your day thinking about it. And
you don't have a job?? Any time of day you post here....little wonder
you're terrified to sign you're own name!

Sigh. You're a sad, pathetic little man and I'd hoped a little that
maybe my offerings might offer you a way out--a way to your own
release from this nightmare you're caught in of hate and
self-loathing.

It was a dim hope--but even a little hope for your healing...well, why
not? I suppose it was worth the shot....

and at the least it was entertaining to watch you get as vile and
nasty as you possibly could. Lancing a mental boil? No, sadly, it'll
just be poking a festering wound.

Too bad--but it's your life and your choices, dear.

        George M. Carter
Death - 12 Nov 2005 23:14 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> LOL...and guess what? I've had men f.ck my a.s and it was great fun!

Next time just have one of them put a bullet in your head.
It may not be fun for long but for a fraction of a second
you'll get a real bang out of it.

Think of the advantages.

No lingering painful meltdown like an ice cube on the sidewalk in June.
You won't have to take all the expensive meds to keep your sorry a.s alive.

Like I say, you think about it
GMCarter - 13 Nov 2005 00:54 GMT
>"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> LOL...and guess what? I've had men f.ck my a.s and it was great fun!
>>
>Next time just have one of them put a bullet in your head.

See? Your words evoke violence, suffering and death. And people,
probably you, act upon them.

Your choice of "death" underscores the evil and ugliness that you have
chosen.

That's your legacy. That's your life. That's your misery and your
suffering that you will die with in your heart and head.

Wow. I'm sorry for you.

        George M. Carter
wilyretrovirus - 13 Nov 2005 00:59 GMT
George and Paul,

I think we should go back to the "old days" where we basically ignored
this guy.  
pauleewhiting - 13 Nov 2005 01:52 GMT
>George and Paul,
>
>I think we should go back to the "old days" where we basically ignored
>this guy.  

Yes but, Wilyretrovirus, I am HAVING FUN and I think Geroge is too!!!

Plus, I feel that Death The Necrophile's severely bigoted attitude
toward "faggots" is highly indicative of the blatent homophibia that
started this whole myth that Gay men in the 1980s getting sick and dying
must have been due to some brand new sexually transmitted disease 'cause
it sure as hell couldn't have been all those recreational drugs they
were taking...

I feel it's important for the "HIV-positives" out there to see what kind
of culturally-based homophibic thinking got us from seeing a subset of
fast-lane lifestyle gay men from the 1980s experiencing the natural
consequences of their unhealthy drug use to the entire population of
Africa and gay men worldwide being the source of some Brand-Spanking-New
Virus that is more selective about what population it infects than who
the Republican Party invites to a Bush/Cheney fundraiser.

-Paul Whiting
Death - 13 Nov 2005 02:20 GMT
"wilyretrovirus" <purfling@nospam.yahoo.com> wrote in message

> George and Paul,
>
> I think we should go back to the "old days" where we basically ignored
> this guy.

Run back to your closet and hide ?
I haven't even started on you yet

We can get to the meat of a subject anytime you want.
It is easier for me to play the fool with those 2 than it is for
them to step up and play at my level.

You have the floor, begin
pauleewhiting - 13 Nov 2005 02:27 GMT
>Run back to your closet and hide ?
> I haven't even started on you yet
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>
>You have the floor, begin

Wilyretrovirus is fully out of the closet, I can assure you...

And speaking of closets, when are you going to come out of your
necrophiliac one?

I am sure the party will be one to remember...

You can invite all of your mortician buddies over to the good ol' morgue
and you guys can gang bang some "hot babe."

At least you won't have to worry about getting her pregnant...

-Paul Whiting
Brian Mailman - 13 Nov 2005 03:18 GMT
> You can invite all of your mortician buddies over to the good ol' morgue
> and you guys can gang bang some "hot babe."

I think in this case "hot" is an oxymoron and the turn off.

B/
Death - 13 Nov 2005 03:46 GMT
"pauleewhiting" <pauleewhiting@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> Wilyretrovirus is fully out of the closet, ..

and in the free clinic, big improvement, huh?
Brian Mailman - 13 Nov 2005 03:16 GMT
> George and Paul,
>
> I think we should go back to the "old days" where we basically ignored
> this guy.  

I've been.

But since those bad old good old days, he's found the device of
inventing dozens of socks and having them talk to themselves.

I suppose that's the only way he can give himself attention, since one
can only read one-handed for so long.  Perhaps his goal is to make this
group unusable; which of course is a the parasite's way of doing
things--killing the host.

B/
Alfonz Mephesto - 13 Nov 2005 03:27 GMT
Brian Mailman wrote...

>> George and Paul,
>>
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> group unusable; which of course is a the parasite's way of doing
> things--killing the host.

You are just obssessed that I'm a sock.  I'll repeat, I change aliases
every week or two, usually within a larger theme (hint: for the last
few months I've been characters from South Park), and I have never
replied to myself.  You've accused several people of being my socks,
yet you never provided any evidence like headers.  That anyone would
ever agree with me is inconceivable to you, they surely must be me
in disguise...

As for rendering this group unusable, I don't think I've done that.  I
may discuss things that make you uncomfortable, but this is an open
forum for free uncensored debate, even the non-binding charter (that
discussion should be on-topic) does not forbid expressing opinions that
you happen to find offensive.  It's called free speech, perhaps you
socialist Canadistralians should do some research on it.

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Brian Mailman - 13 Nov 2005 04:26 GMT
> Brian Mailman wrote...
>>
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>
> You are just obssessed that I'm a sock.

Outing yourself, huh.... didn't say anything about "you" per se.

B/
Death - 13 Nov 2005 04:53 GMT
"Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message

> Outing yourself, huh.... didn't say anything about "you" per se.

Nitwit, you have made the comment several times in the past.
I guess you can't remember from day to day, must be the meds
aren't preventing aids from melting both of your brain cells.
GMCarter - 13 Nov 2005 10:31 GMT
>"Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message
>> >>
>> Outing yourself, huh.... didn't say anything about "you" per se.
>>
>Nitwit, you have made the comment several times in the past.

LOL...which you denied at one point. Liar, liar pants on fire.

Diablo by any other name? Stinks like an overflowing outhouse?
After all this time you must be 18.
Death - 13 Nov 2005 15:29 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

>  "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
>
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>
> LOL...which you denied at one point. Liar, liar pants on fire.

I deny that at all points. I post under one name only unlike you.
Alfonz Mephesto - 13 Nov 2005 18:11 GMT
GMCarter wrote...

>>"Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> LOL...which you denied at one point. Liar, liar pants on fire.

He denied being my sock which is true.  If you don't believe us,
just look at the message headers.  Dumbass.
Brian Mailman - 13 Nov 2005 18:12 GMT
> Diablo by any other name? Stinks like an overflowing outhouse?

Something like that....it really doesn't matter how he tries to change
his posting style, there are certain basic things common to all the
socks.  If he types more than 4-5 words he outs himself.

B/
Death - 14 Nov 2005 03:19 GMT
"Brian Mailman Carter" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in both messages

> > Diablo by any other name? Stinks like an overflowing outhouse?
>
> Something like that....it really doesn't matter how he tries to change
> his posting style, there are certain basic things common to all the
> socks.  If he types more than 4-5 words he outs himself.
Death - 13 Nov 2005 04:47 GMT
"Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message

> But since those bad old good old days, he's found the device of
> inventing dozens of socks

all you have to do is to produce one.
so far you haven't done anything but run your cocksucker.

but then, you are only a faggot
Death - 13 Nov 2005 02:14 GMT
> >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >>
> >> LOL...and guess what? I've had men f.ck my a.s and it was great fun!
> >>
> See? Your words evoke violence, suffering and death. And people,
> probably you, act upon them.

See I show a little tolerance and charity and you still whine like a little girl.

"Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message

> Next time just have one of them put a bullet in your head.
> It may not be fun for long but for a fraction of a second
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Like I say, you think about it
Godzilla Pimp - 12 Nov 2005 13:30 GMT
>A bit old, but I had discovered that until recently a positive HIV
> test was not a required reportable disease, while just about every
> other communicable disease have long been.  I think the following
> shows that preventing further spread of HIV is the last thing the
> activists want:

HIV is the first virus to have "civil rights".

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