A while back we were arguing about the rate of HIV infection among
gay men in the USA.  Some claimed it was identical to the
heterosexual rate, so I combined CDC and Census data and came up
with an average 10% national infection rate for MSMs.  That figure
was attacked, though those who attacked it offered no evidence to
the contrary, and I said that in large cities the rate is likely
MUCH higher.

So here is what I read in today's newspaper in an article about
how scientists are trying to use stem cells as an HIV treatment:

"The urgency to develop better treatments for HIV is
particularly acute in San Francisco, where the disease
has affected approx. 25% of the gay male population,
said Robert Klein, chairman of the ICOC [Independent
Citizens' Oversight Committee]."
(Contra Costa Times, Thursday, Nov. 3, 2005)

What I'm wondering is how they got that 25% figure, since I was
attacked because it was claimed that it is impossible to know
how many gays and bisexuals are in the population.  And of
course I don't believe it, the actual number is much much much
higher, I'm just guesstimating at least 75% for San Francisco.

Now I need to try to calculate the infection rate for California
and San Francisco.  As I expected, the California AIDS website
is designed to obsfucate the numbers, even worse than the CDC.