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Viral load in semen

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Dirty Rotten Scoundrel - 01 Nov 2005 15:21 GMT
Hello everyone:  I've been on meds for six years now and have always had an
undetectable viral load in my blood, but I just recently had my semen tested
and the HIV showed up.  My doctor (about a year ago) mentioned that if this
were the case he could put me on one of the drugs (in addition to what I am
already taking) that specifically targets the viral load in the semen to get
it at an undetectable rate.  Does anyone know of this drug or the name of
it?  I'm going to contact him but I'd like to do some research on it first.

Thanks,

DRS
Death - 01 Nov 2005 16:07 GMT
"Dirty Rotten Scoundrel" <DRS@nospam.com> wrote in message
> Hello everyone:  I've been on meds for six years now and have always had an
> undetectable viral load in my blood, but I just recently had my semen tested
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> it at an undetectable rate.  Does anyone know of this drug or the name of
> it?

TTP. thrombotic thrombocytopaenic purpura

I'm told it cures aids.
your a.s is collapsing - 01 Nov 2005 20:46 GMT
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel wrote...
> Hello everyone:  I've been on meds for six years now and have always had an
> undetectable viral load in my blood, but I just recently had my semen tested
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> it at an undetectable rate.  Does anyone know of this drug or the name of
> it?  I'm going to contact him but I'd like to do some research on it first.

Why would you care about reducing the viral load in your semen unless you
were having unprotected sex?  Your intent is to reduce the chance of
killing your partner, not eliminate it, or you would be using condoms or
remaining abstinent.  Does your partner even know you're infected and has
consented or is your attitude the usual "it's not very contagious" and
f.ck it if you "accidentally" infect them?
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel - 02 Nov 2005 01:39 GMT
It must give you such pride to be behind a name such as "your a.s is
collapsing" and yet still manage to show such effrontery (dictionary.com).

Anyway, my wife and I have been married for ten years and we have two kids.
I am HIV+ and she is not.  We've been having protected sex since WE found
out about my condition.  We also had two children by semen donations.  We
have been through a lab that sperm washes here in the US; they have taken
one of my specimens and have washed it, but the HIV status still shows up.
I am looking for the medicine that gets the HIV viral load to undetectable
so that when they wash it AGAIN, the HIV virus will be completely erased.
We have been through UCLA, and two HIV doctors to make sure this is
legitimate and that the process will work so the virus will not spread to
her or our third child; we both wanted to have one child using my sperm.

Does this answer your question?

> Dirty Rotten Scoundrel wrote...
>> Hello everyone:  I've been on meds for six years now and have always had
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> consented or is your attitude the usual "it's not very contagious" and
> f.ck it if you "accidentally" infect them?
Death - 02 Nov 2005 06:20 GMT
"Dirty Rotten Scoundrel" <DRS@nospam.com> wrote in message

> I am looking for the medicine that gets the HIV viral load to undetectable
> so that when they wash it AGAIN, the HIV virus will be completely erased.

If you can get your viral load down to undetectable, you will still be contagious
and pass on your hiv virus.

You didn't say how long you have been infected, but I'm sure it is long enough
for you to have already learned that.

DRS indeed.
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel - 02 Nov 2005 15:35 GMT
Can you not read...no, seriously, can you?

I need to get it to an undetectable rate so that when they WASH IT, it will
be ELIMINATED...there won't BE ANY VIRUS IN THE SEMEN...it has to be low
first.  I've been infected for six years and have been undetectable (in the
blood) since I started the meds.

DRS

> "Dirty Rotten Scoundrel" <DRS@nospam.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> DRS indeed.
Death - 03 Nov 2005 00:39 GMT
"Dirty Rotten Scoundrel" <DRS@nospam.com> wrote in message

> Can you not read...no, seriously, can you?

I read and write at about the third grade level, no, seriously.

Now knowing that, don't you feel really special ?

Now back to your bullshit:

>I need to get it to an undetectable rate so that when they WASH IT, it will
>be ELIMINATED...

One more time for the truly educated, ain't gonna happen.
You will still be contagious and pass on your virus.
You are f.cked for life, and dems da truff.

Now a smart guy like you knew that all along, huh? LOL

I mean, shucks, even us dummies no dem facks.

DRS indeed.
your a.s is collapsing - 03 Nov 2005 01:23 GMT
Someone told the OP that viral load in semen is not reduced nearly
as much in semen as in blood, something I admit I didn't know.  So
if this is true, it contradicts what some people on this group are
claiming, that HIV has always been "not very contagious" and that
the drugs suppress it to the point of making it nearly impossible
to transmit, with the implication that it's not important to
inform your partner or use condoms.

So this is very bad news, combine indefinite lifespans with no
reduction in promiscuity or contagiousness, and you'll see we are
headed for disaster.  Combine that with the fact that the HIV in
semen is now resistant to the drugs the carrier has been taken,
and in a few years we should start seeing a HUGE increase in new
HIV infections that are resistant to all available drugs (though
that might be a good thing as long as no new drugs are developed).
Death - 03 Nov 2005 04:27 GMT
"your a.s is collapsing" <a.s@collapsing.net> wrote in message

> Someone told the OP that viral load in semen is not reduced nearly
> as much in semen as in blood, something I admit I didn't know.

Perhaps you didn't know that yesterday, but I'd bet you do now.
I know you do your homework.
your a.s is collapsing - 03 Nov 2005 18:05 GMT
Death wrote...
> "your a.s is collapsing" <a.s@collapsing.net> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Perhaps you didn't know that yesterday, but I'd bet you do now.
> I know you do your homework.

Well I had known that an "undetectable" viral load didn't make
one noncontagious, the suppressed reports of new infections
that are already resistant to multiple drugs is evidence.
Susie - 02 Nov 2005 18:36 GMT
> Hello everyone:  I've been on meds for six years now and have always had
> an undetectable viral load in my blood, but I just recently had my semen
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the name of it?  I'm going to contact him but I'd like to do some research
> on it first.

Seminal viral load has always been "resistant" to the drugs - no different
than the many other body compartments.

That says quite a bit about how useful these drugs are.

Since you believe the drug paradigm, why not make you treatment a
bit easier and have your testicles removed?

Sue
Dirty Rotten Scoundrel - 03 Nov 2005 02:07 GMT
Thank you all for your insightful and yet unhelpful comments.  I knew I
would get some "harsh" comments, but I really did think that at least ONE
person might have been helpful.  Although what one poster said is true:
"You are f***** for life."  You see what happens people when you cheat on
your wife and think there will be no repercussions?  Think she'll never find
out?  She'll never get the HIV virus from me, but ultimately, she is the one
who gets hurt the most.

I think I'll just rely on the doctor's advice and research; something I
should have done from the beginning.  No need to respond; I won't be
checking back in.

DRS Indeed

P.S.  Bet NONE of you would have had the courage to deliver your "advice"
straight to my face if we had met on the street.  I have to admit, hiding
behind a email or screen name, does help one become more bolder...including
me.

>> Hello everyone:  I've been on meds for six years now and have always had
>> an undetectable viral load in my blood, but I just recently had my semen
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> Sue
Death - 03 Nov 2005 07:09 GMT
"Dirty Rotten Scoundrel" <DRS@nospam.com> wrote in message

> P.S.  Bet NONE of you would have had the courage to deliver your "advice"
> straight to my face if we had met on the street.

It is good to see your arrogance didn't suffer even though everything
else has because of it.

DRS indeed.
Iconoclaster - 05 Nov 2005 01:40 GMT
I DON'T BELIEVE IT!  Is this "discussion for real?
I've read all of it, and I regret that.  Waste of time.  All the nonsense
that I encountered!

DRS, if you want ONE valuable piece of advice:  Forget all this science
fiction you get fed, both at this forum and by the HIV-witchdoctors at the
clinic.  Just have a good laugh at the "HIV in your sperm".  (Never heard
such bullshit).  Just get together with your wife, have your own child,
and live happily ever after.

Wilhelm Godschalk, Ph.D.
Death - 05 Nov 2005 02:03 GMT
> I DON'T BELIEVE IT!  Is this "discussion for real?
> I've read all of it, and I regret that.  Waste of time.  All the nonsense
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Wilhelm Godschalk, Ph.D.

27 September 2002

Laboratory tests show that lemon juice is a potent destroyer of both HIV and sperm, Australian
researchers say.

If planned tests in primates and people are successful, lemon juice could be ideal for women
without easy access to safe barrier contraceptives, such as condoms, says the team at Melbourne
University, led by Roger Short.

But experts in anti-AIDS medications warn that the safety of using the juice internally and its
efficacy in people are as yet unknown.

Short says a solution of 10 per cent lemon juice produced a 1000-fold reduction in HIV activity
in a lab sample. And half a teaspoon of the juice wiped out two teaspoons of sperm in 30
seconds. The high acidity of the juice is responsible for killing HIV and sperm.

The great advantage of lemon or lime juice as an anti-viral contraceptive is that the fruit can
be grown very cheaply in the developing world, says Short. Women might use the juice by
inserting a soaked piece of sponge or cotton wool before intercourse, he says. Women
researchers in Short's lab said using the juice caused no pain.

Centuries old
This method of contraception was widespread in the Mediterranean before the advent of modern
methods, such as the Pill. "I'm a great believer in history. People would not have used it for
300 or 400 years if it did not work," Short told ABC-TV.

Julian Meldrum of the London-based National AIDS Manual says: "The basic principle that acids
such as lemon juice can inactivate both sperm and HIV has been known for some years." But
although lemon juice was used historically as a contraceptive, "it is unknown how much damage
this did both directly to the vagina and the interior of the cervix and uterus, and indirectly,
through effects on microbes in the vagina."

Short agrees that more work is needed: "We now need more time to see if women really could rely
on lemon juice to protect themselves against pregnancy and HIV in the human body without any
side effects," he says.

The team is now planning experiments involving macaque monkeys in Indonesia.
Iconoclaster - 06 Nov 2005 01:41 GMT
>Just get together with your wife, have your own child, and live happily
ever after.

Yes, I know I'm answering myself.  I just forgot to add one important
thing:  If the bay is due to arrive, make sure to be outside the U.S. or
Canada, in a country where there are no health nazis who want you to
poison the newborne with ARV's.  If you refuse to do that, they may place
the child (YOUR child) in state custody, so they can do the poisoning
themselves.
GMCarter - 06 Nov 2005 11:23 GMT
>>Just get together with your wife, have your own child, and live happily
>ever after.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>the child (YOUR child) in state custody, so they can do the poisoning
>themselves.

Wow. You've descended into utter delirium.
Iconoclaster - 06 Nov 2005 23:54 GMT
>"Wow. You've descended into utter delirium."

Just the facts, Mr. Carter, just the facts.  Don't you read about what's
going on in the u.S.?
 
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