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The Tragic Death of Eliza Jane Scovill
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pauleewhiting - 20 Oct 2005 19:11 GMT http://www.aras.ab.ca/ej.html (Part One)
Last updated: October 19th 2005
Eliza Jane Scovill died suddenly on May 16th 2005 at the age of only 3?. That was tragedy enough for her parents Christine Maggiore and Robin Scovill.
Eliza Jane had a lingering cold in early may, including a runny nose that did not clear up. When a pediatrician found fluid in her ears on May 14th he recommended amoxicillin, a form of penicillin. Her condition rapidly deteriorated after this.
Because the reason why such a young and formerly healthy child?s heart should stop suddenly could not be explained by the hospital, the case was referred to the Los Angeles County Coroner?s office.
Christine Maggiore has been a major critic of the AIDS establishment for several years. She has been HIV-positive and healthy, without AIDS drugs, for over a decade. Her experience and her research has convinced many HIV-positive people to reconsider their use of AIDS drugs. This has not endeared her to the many doctors and AIDS activists who promote these drugs.
Read the available information and make up your own mind. We will be updating this page as more information comes available.
Index by Date
September 24th 2005 - LA Times Story Breaks.* September 25th 2005 - Supporters Start to Rally.** September 26th 2005 - Supporter?s Letters and New Article in London, UK, newspaper The Guardian.*** September 29th 2005 - Letter to one of the doctors quoted in the LA Times article.**** October 2nd 2005 - Christine?s Attempted Letters to the LA Times.***** October 3rd 2005 - Does a Mother?s Denial = a Daughter?s Death?****** October 15th 2005 - Peter Chowka?s article in Natural Health Line.*******
*September 24
A Mother?s Denial, a Daughter?s Death LA Times
This front page story by LA Times reporters Charles Ornstein and Daniel Costello appeared to accept, without questioning, the LA county coroner?s conclusion that Eliza Jane died of ?AIDS-related pneumonia? even before Christine and Robin had received a copy of the coroner?s report. This front page story also reported that several mainstream doctors had suggested that her parents should have been forced to test the child for HIV and that stronger antibiotics (such as Bactrim) should have been used. Anti-AZT Activist?s Child Dies Liam Scheff
Liam Scheff is the journalist who broke the story about clinical trials and abuse of guardians and children at the Incarnation Children?s Center in New York City.
**September 25
Postings on AIDSsoc
Sara
What colossal BS. There are approximately half a million cases of pneumonia in the US each year and approximately 40,000 deaths, mostly among the young and the elderly. There is no reason to believe that this little girl?s death had anything to do with HIV or AIDS.
This is one of the common scare tactics used by the AIDS establishment to get people to toe the line - show that people who don?t use AIDS drugs can get get sick and die. Of course they can, everyone gets sick and we are ALL going to die. Where is the double blind study of death rates among the HIV+ who refuse AIDS drugs versus the HIV+ who take the drugs? My personal experience is that the latter group is the most high risk group in the world. KAB
I am still in shock that they would use something as personal and difficult as a death of a child to try to drive the AID$ bus forward (although I should not be surprised; they seem to stop at nothing) Christine needs us as never before. I wonder what the best way to support her at this time would be. Any good ideas out there? The article seemed to insiuate that as the word gets out about this there will be some fallout.
pauleewhiting - 20 Oct 2005 19:17 GMT http://www.aras.ab.ca/ej.html (Part Two)
***September 26
To Our Friends and Colleagues David Crowe
As many of you may be aware, Christine Maggiore and Robin Scovill?s three and a half year old daughter, Eliza Jane, died in May of unknown causes. Last week, after four months of deliberation, the LA County Coroner released a report in which they claim that Eliza Jane died of AIDS related pneumonia. An article that appeared Saturday in the Los Angeles Times carrying this news is apparently being picked up by media across the country and around the world.
Robin and Christine have serious concerns and questions about the coroner?s conclusion and have hired an independent pathologist to review the autopsy in detail. The autopsy report is also missing crucial data which their attorney requested on Friday September 23. As of today, the coroner has not responded to their attorney?s request.
Although Christine shared these concerns and other critical information with reporter Dan Costello, the LA Times elected to omit many facts from their article. They also refused to wait for the missing data from the autopsy report or for the results of an independent inquiry before going to press. Additionally, the Times failed to mention that in addition to their son Charlie?s negative HIV status, Robin also tests HIV negative after nine years together with Christine.
Robin and Christine are devastated by the sudden death of Eliza Jane, deeply concerned about several aspects of the coroner?s report, and troubled by the Times? decision to run the story before all the facts are in.
They will have the results of an independent inquiry in two to three weeks and look forward to sharing what it reveals with you and any media interested in following this story.
As Christine said to the LA Times, she has been brought to her emotional knees by the death of her beautiful daughter but continues to stand solidly on the science and medical data that has informed her and Robin?s decisions.
Robin and Christine appreciate everyone?s concern and believe practical action such as fund raising for legal and PR fees may well be necessary in the near future. At that point, we will need your help and support.
In the meantime, the best thing to do is to think about what you might do to help, but please wait until enough information is in before taking any overt action. It is also very important to avoid spreading rumors. Feel free to let people know that there is a dispute over the coroner?s conclusion, but it is too early to be more specific. If you want to write to the LA Times about the article, please use polite and professional language, fact check any points you wish to raise and be as concise as possible.
We hope that more details on their situation will be available soon.
Letter to the LA Times Mira de Vries, Association for Medical and Therapeutic Self-Determination, The Netherlands
Times? Staff Writers Charles Ornstein and Daniel Costello are jumping the gun when they suggest that 3?-year-old Eliza Jane Scovill would not have died if she had been on antiretroviral drugs. The child?s HIV status isn?t known. What we do know is that antiretroviral drugs are responsible for disfiguring, devastating, and often deadly side effects in adults as well as children
Letter to the LA Times Dr. Harvey Bialy, Resident Scholar, Inst. of Biotechnology, Autonomous National University of Mexico
This is in response to the story you published yesterday regarding the death of the daughter of Christine Maggiore and Robin Scovill.
In order to have a diagnosis of ?aids related pneumonia?, two conditions must be met. The patient must be HIV antibody positive, and there must be a clinical pneumonia. Whether Eliza Jane was in fact antibody-positive is information that neither the LA Times nor the coroner?s office has as yet made public. However, according to all reports it is acknowledged the child suffered none of the textbook symptoms of pneumonia, and had previously been in excellent health for several years. Thus the crucial second condition appears completely unsatisfied. (A post mortem finding of PCP in the lungs means nothing since it is 100% ubiquitous in human beings). Thus we are left to ponder the only significant fact, and it is one of omission, in your story. On what basis did the coroner conclude the child died of ?AIDS related pneumonia??
After more than 20 years of attempting to get straight answers about HIV/AIDS from so-called authorities, I am less than sanguine that this latest, simple query will be satisfactorily answered.
pauleewhiting - 20 Oct 2005 19:28 GMT http://www.aras.ab.ca/ej.html (Part Three)
***September 26 [Continued]
Letter to the LA Times Sascha Sarnoff, Health Advocacy in the Public Interest, Santa Barbara Thank you for covering this very sad and important story despite a misleading tabloid title, which was not in step with the balanced writing of article.
As a longtime friend of the Maggiore/Scovill family, and I have been fortunate to watch them lovingly and wisely raise their two healthy children, Charlie and Eliza Jane (EJ). As this case unfolds I feel that additional information is needed to help LA Times readers understand the case more fully and set the record straight on numerous key points, including several inaccuracies found in the 8-page cover story about the tragic death of Eliza Jane Scovill.
It is true, as stated in the Times article, that the child died within hours after being prescribed, and ingesting, amoxicillin. It is grossly irresponsible to say, as Dr. James Oleske said in his interview in the Times article, that ?This was a preventable death.? A simple Library of Medicine review of the words ?amoxicillin, anaphylaxis, symptoms? retrieves a list of adverse reactions to amoxicillin including, vomiting, and sudden death, which were exactly the symptoms, according to the coroner?s office, and the L.A. Times Press release, that Eliza Jane developed hours after taking the drug. Having never examined Eliza Jane, does Dr. Oleske think that he indeed could have prevented an amoxicillin-induced anaphylactic reaction (if she had been properly evaluated)? Antibiotic adverse reactions do happen, causing serious injury or death, this is a fact.
It is also true as the article states that flu shots, mandatory hepatitis B vaccinations, other recent vaccinations, pregnancy, and common viral infections could all lead to a false-positive test result. In fact, by doing a comprehensive search one finds over 70 reasons other than an ?HIV? infection for a false positive test result, and 46 known disease syndromes that can affect test results. Conditions like warts, malaria, long-term drug and alcohol use, receipt of gamma globulin, blood transfusions, leprosy, tuberculosis, bacterial and fungal infections, autoimmune diseases, kidney failure, alpha interferon therapy in hemodialysis patients, various cancers, herpes, non-specific upper respiratory tract infection, various anemias, hepatitis B, tetanus, ?hypergammaglobulinemia, rheumatoid arthritis, vaccinations, and many other conditions and or treatments. Many of these can be found on ?HIV? test kit inserts, and on the CDC?s HIV/AIDS websites.
Although the LA Times reports ?Federal officials say that HIV tests detect antibodies to the virus and are accurate predictors of who is infected,? many of the test-kits themselves contradict that very statement. ?ELISA testing alone cannot be used to diagnose AIDS.? (Abbott Laboratory?s ELISA test kit insert, 1997). ?Do not use this kit as the sole basis for HIV infection.? (Epitope, a maker for one of the Western Blot kits, 1997), and ?The Amplicor HIV-1 monitor test is not intended to be used as a screening test for HIV, nor as a diagnostic test to confirm the presence of HIV infection.? (Roche Amplicor test kit insert, 1996).
Dr. Peter Havens, a professor of pediatrics and epidemiology at the Medical College of Wisconsin, was quoted by the LA Times article that: ?contrairian HIV theories promoted on about 400 websites are bogus baloney,? and that, ?It?s all pseudoscience,? and that, ?They choose one paper and deny the existence of 100 others.? One could ask the dogmatic Professor of Pediatrics whether he believes that The New England Journal of Medicine, The Lancet, the journal AIDS, and The Journal of Virology advance ?bogus baloney,? ?pseudoscience,? or ?contrarian views?, or publish ?selected papers?. Or should we take serious, articles in these journals that describe, for example, the extreme toxicity of AZT and the protease inhibitors, and the rapid advance to death that infants exhibit when their mothers are given these toxic, failed cancer chemotherapeutic compounds.
In the days following EJ?s passing, we need a growing willingness to listen to unfamiliar information and ponder new points of view to better protect the health of our tiniest citizens from medical error and misdiagnosis.
pauleewhiting - 20 Oct 2005 19:31 GMT http://www.aras.ab.ca/ej.html (Part Four)
***September 26 [Continued]
Mother who denied AIDS link faces police investigation after death of daughter The Guardian newspaper, London, UK
??Christine Maggiore, the child?s HIV-positive mother, denies HIV leads to Aids and refused to take antiviral drugs during pregnancy. She breastfed her daughter, Eliza Jane, and refused to have her tested for the virus??
September 27
Published Letters to the LA Times LA Times Two letters that were published by the LA Times are linked above. Many supportive letters were never published.
September 28
Letter in London, UK, The Guardian Dr. Kevin Corbett, Dept. of Health Sciences, University of York
There are worrying inaccuracies in your report of the HIV/Aids reappraiser Christine Maggiore (Mother who denied Aids link faces police investigation after death of daughter, September 26). First, it?s a matter of public record that Maggiore?s HIV test result varied drastically from ?positive? to ?negative? to ?indeterminate?. You only report that she was diagnosed positive. This conceals the fact that HIV antibody tests, as acknowledged by their manufacturers, give positive readings for reasons other than HIV infection (like a prior pregnancy or blood transfusion). Second, Maggiore?s daughter was never diagnosed with Aids so couldn?t have died from Aids-related pneumonia.
The anti-sceptic tone of your report asserts that lay questioning of powerful scientific orthodoxies is harmful and that toxic antiretroviral drugs (such as AZT or Nevirapine) should be the only choice for pregnant women who test positive in ?HIV? antibody tests. For many people facing difficult health choices in a pharmaceutically driven environment that is a scandalous message to propagate.
****September 29
Letter to Dr. Magnus Dr. Todd Miller, University of Miami
Dear Dr. Magnus,
Although I?ve not had the pleasure of reading your book, based on your comments to the LA Times regarding the tragedy experienced in the Maggiore family, I can presume that parents do not own the life of their children and presumably the government does. Please remember that thousands of scientists and doctors do not believe the evidence that ?hiv? causes ?aids? is strong enough to make policy decisions. As a biochemist and molecular biologist, I happen to be one of them.
I hope the LA Times contacts you again for comments after the inquiry into the coroner?s report. Surely, you have comments on the ethics of erroneous conclusions in coroner?s reports as well, and at this point, all comments regarding the Maggiore?s behavior are made without the benefit of an impartial inquiry, and couched within the fanaticism that has surrounded ?hiv/aids? for 2 decades.
Son to Remain With HIV Skeptics LA Times
??After reviewing recent test results from three labs showing that the boy is HIV-negative, the Los Angeles County Department of Children and Family Services is expecting to close its child endangerment investigation, officials said Wednesday.??
pauleewhiting - 20 Oct 2005 19:38 GMT http://www.aras.ab.ca/ej.html (Part Five)
*****October 2
What Really Happened to Eliza Jane? Christine Maggiore
On Saturday September 24, 2005, The Los Angeles Times ran a front-page story on the death of my three year-old child, Eliza Jane Scovill, under the condemnatory headline, ?A Mother?s Denial, A Daughter?s Death.? My reply to the extensive article, as yet unpublished, was restricted to a 150-word letter to the editor.
Below please find my 149 words on the subject followed by the full text of my original letter to The LA Times. Shortened Letter Christine Maggiore
Re: ?A Mother?s Denial? (Saturday September 24)
In response to your article ?A Mother?s Denial,? medical records show my daughter did not exhibit symptoms consistent with pneumonia. On her last doctor visit, Eliza-Jane had no cough or respiratory congestion. After collapsing the next day following antibiotic administration, ER doctors performed a series of chest X-rays that revealed nothing. After careful examination of her lungs during a May autopsy, the coroner found no apparent cause of death.
One month and no cause later, the coroner?s office called her pediatrician demanding to know if he knew about my book and HIV status. Despite their discovery, it took three more months for the coroner to decide my daughter died of AIDS-pneumonia.
Is Eliza-Jane?s a diagnosis by association? Unlike her father and brother, did she actually test HIV positive? While we wait for the conclusion of an independent investigation, interested readers may follow our side of the story at ejlovetour.com.
Full Letter (too long for LA Times) Christine Maggiore
?A Mother?s Denial,? your article on the death of my daughter, Eliza Jane Scovill, breezed past a number of crucial facts in its rush to publication and judgment.
Medical records show my daughter did not exhibit symptoms consistent with the coroner?s determination of pneumonia, AIDS-related or otherwise. The three pediatricians who examined Eliza Jane in the days before her death all noted clear lungs. At a doctor visit on May 14, the day before she died, no cough or respiratory congestion was evident. When my daughter collapsed at home the next evening following her fourth dose of antibiotic, she did not have the blue lips or fingertips suggestive of life-threatening pneumonia.
After being transported to a near-by hospital by ambulance, emergency room doctors took a series of chest X-rays that revealed nothing to account for her dire condition. All other tests run that terrible night left ER doctors without an explanation for my daughter?s death. For this reason, Eliza Jane was brought to the Los Angeles County Coroner for an autopsy.
During an autopsy performed on May 18, my daughter?s lungs were carefully examined, weighed and measured. The coroner released her body to a mortuary the following day having found no apparent cause of death.
Just before Eliza Jane?s memorial service on May 29, my husband contacted the coroner?s office for an update on our daughter?s case and spoke directly with the medical examiner. She informed him they had yet to discover what took our little girl?s life, and having eliminated the common and obvious, they would now go through a check-list that included investigation of such unsettling possibilities as chemical toxins and poisons. That same week, a curious friend phoned the coroner?s office and asked if HIV tests were routinely administered in cases of unexplained death. He was told that ?the symptoms of AIDS are so obvious? it?s not necessary to run HIV tests on all patients referred with no apparent cause.
On June 28, one of my daughter?s pediatricians received a call from the coroner?s office demanding to know if he was aware of my book and HIV status. Before hanging up, the doctor was threatened with a subpoena. Despite the apparent new awareness of my HIV positivity and controversial book, it still took three more months for the corner to decide upon a diagnosis of AIDS-related pneumonia.
Given the circumstances, we have questions about the medical and scientific basis for the coroner?s conclusion. Did Eliza Jane get a diagnosis by association or is there incontrovertible clinical evidence for AIDS-related pneumonia? Did our daughter, unlike her father and brother, actually test HIV positive? We won?t know until the conclusion of an independent investigation in three weeks. In the meantime, my family must not only endure the pain and devastation of our horrendous loss, but the world?s speculation and scrutiny. We only hope that when all the facts are in, the LA Times will rush to publish the rest of our story.
pauleewhiting - 20 Oct 2005 19:42 GMT http://www.aras.ab.ca/ej.html (Part Six)
******October 3
Does a Mother?s Denial = a Daughter?s Death? Nick Gillespie
??Given the way the [LA] Times? story is framed, you would have thought that [the lack of evidence for pneumonia would] be one of the first things the paper reported. Maggiore is apparently pursuing an independent pathology report, which should at least settle that very basic question. And, depending on the results, may create more interest in the debate over whether HIV causes AIDS??
*******October 15
Eliza Jane Scovill - Another Tragic Case Comes to Public Attention Peter Barry Chowka in NaturalHealthLine
??In the late 1970s, I began reporting on a series of stories - several of them having gained attention in the national mainstream media - that involved loving and conscientious parents who wanted their sick kids to have access to alternative, innovative, or natural therapies - and to avoid toxic, and often unproven, standard conventional treatments.??
Gary Stein - 20 Oct 2005 20:18 GMT > http://www.aras.ab.ca/ej.html (Part Six) (snip massively repetitive speculation about Eliza Scovill's death)
Paul for someone who was so offended by anyone who dared to question Christine's version of events when the facts are still unknown to the general public, why are you posting and reposting all of these purely speculative missives on the issue.
Why not wait until both corner and the independent pathologists reports are made public (if that ever happens which I doubt it will) so that you can post some facts just as you demanded of those who were critical of Christine?
At this point no one including Christine can definitively state the cause of death, until such a time as that is possible what point is there in speculating endlessly about what might or might not be the cause of the poor child's death? If Christine wanted to end all the debate why wasn't the body of the child sent to a major university pathology department for a complete and independent autopsy?
Gary Stein
pauleewhiting - 20 Oct 2005 20:32 GMT >Paul for someone who was so offended by anyone who dared to question >Christine's version of events when the facts are still unknown to the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >post some facts just as you demanded of those who were critical of >Christine? Gary, have you ever heard of the term "democracy"?
Do you know what "democracy" looks like? It looks "speculation."
Here's another concept you might be unfamiliar with: "Free thinking."
>At this point no one including Christine can definitively state the cause of >death, until such a time as that is possible what point is there in >speculating endlessly about what might or might not be the cause of the poor >child's death? If Christine wanted to end all the debate why wasn't the body >of the child sent to a major university pathology department for a complete >and independent autopsy? Why don't you contact Christine and suggest that to her?
Paul Whiting
?There is overwhelming scientific consensus that HIV causes AIDS.?
? Dr. Jeffrey P. Koplan, Director, US Centers for Disease Control (CDC)
wilyretrovirus - 21 Oct 2005 00:57 GMT I'm interested to see how this is all going to play out. It's looking like the beginning of the end for the apologists. They were so *focused* on going after Christine, that they got careless. Very careless.
Maybe they should have remembered some of the things they had written about Christine before the LA Times article. Things that are in complete contradiction to the assertion that EJ supposedly died of "AIDS-related pneumonia". Maybe they should have remembered some choice words Jeanne Bergman had written about Christine before the LA Times article came out.
What, oh what to do about Jeanne Bergman's vicious writings about Christine Maggiore? As much as I'm *not* a Dr. Phil fan, that saying of his is so pertinent in this situation..."you can't go back and *unring* the bell". Love that one. I bet Ms. Bergman and her apologist friends wish she could "unring the bell".
Dear, sweet Jeanne. According to her, Christine Maggiore is HIV-negative. Not only that, Jeanne had stated in an article that BOTH of Maggiore's children are HIV-negative. Oh, what a mess... between Ms. Bergman's ugly writings about Christine, and the LA Times jumping to conclusion's about EJ's cause of death...just where is this whole thing going to go?
In case those wonderful words from Ms. Bergman have already escaped down the memory hole, let's bring them back up for air. Here you go!
"Maggiore has built a profitable career by combining a gift for self-promotion with a couple of false-positive HIV test results."
"False-negative HIV tests are extremely rare, while false positives are much more common, though infrequent. This fact and all the other available evidence strongly indicate that Maggiore was never infected with HIV,..."
"But of course Maggiore has no "fear of AIDS"—she doesn't have HIV. She has since had two children, now three and seven years old, whom she boasted to Scheff "have never been tested. … They don't take AIDS drugs. And they're not in the least bit sick." But of course Maggiore didn't want them to be tested: she knows that they are not at risk and that their being uninfected would lead people to question her own status. And of course they don't take "AIDS drugs"—they don't have HIV or AIDS."
"Christine Maggiore isn't living proof that HIV doesn't cause AIDS; she's just another lying AIDS profiteer..."
Ouch. Oh what to do when you guys can't keep your story straight. It will be interesting, to say the least.
wilyretrovirus - 21 Oct 2005 01:00 GMT I'm interested to see how this is all going to play out. It's looking like the beginning of the end for the apologists. They were so *focused* on going after Christine, that they got careless. Very careless.
Maybe they should have remembered some of the things they had written about Christine before the LA Times article. Things that are in complete contradiction to the assertion that EJ supposedly died of "AIDS-related pneumonia". Maybe they should have remembered some choice words Jeanne Bergman had written about Christine before the LA Times article came out.
What, oh what to do about Jeanne Bergman's vicious writings about Christine Maggiore? As much as I'm *not* a Dr. Phil fan, that saying of his is so pertinent in this situation..."you can't go back and *unring* the bell". Love that one. I bet Ms. Bergman and her apologist friends wish she could "unring the bell".
Dear, sweet Jeanne. According to her, Christine Maggiore is HIV-negative. Not only that, Jeanne had stated in an article that BOTH of Maggiore's children are HIV-negative. Oh, what a mess... between Ms. Bergman's ugly writings about Christine, and the LA Times jumping to conclusion's about EJ's cause of death...just where is this whole thing going to go?
In case those wonderful words from Ms. Bergman have already escaped down the memory hole, let's bring them back up for air. Here you go!
"Maggiore has built a profitable career by combining a gift for self-promotion with a couple of false-positive HIV test results."
"False-negative HIV tests are extremely rare, while false positives are much more common, though infrequent. This fact and all the other available evidence strongly indicate that Maggiore was never infected with HIV,..."
"But of course Maggiore has no "fear of AIDS"—she doesn't have HIV. She has since had two children, now three and seven years old, whom she boasted to Scheff "have never been tested. … They don't take AIDS drugs. And they're not in the least bit sick." But of course Maggiore didn't want them to be tested: she knows that they are not at risk and that their being uninfected would lead people to question her own status. And of course they don't take "AIDS drugs"—they don't have HIV or AIDS."
"Christine Maggiore isn't living proof that HIV doesn't cause AIDS; she's just another lying AIDS profiteer..."
Ouch. Oh what to do when you guys can't keep your story straight. It will be interesting, to say the least.
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