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Fondoo - 17 Oct 2005 12:43 GMT

http://www.robertogiraldo.com/eng/papers/TreatingAndPreventingAIDS.html

May I get some input in judging this?

Most importantly are the listed markers appropriate for monitoring
oxidative stress and does his ideas for improving those markers sound
valid.
Understand that I am taking a break from the current orthodox
treatment for awhile or forever I do not know. Your advise/observations on
this mans work is not going to change my decision to be off AIDS drugs and
away from T-Cell and Viral Load testing at this time.
I am asking for help here because I have come to respect several of the
men on this site.
Please try not to turn this into a debate on his views about HIV as the
cause of AIDS but just an examination on this mans take on treating and
preventing oxidative stress
Any input along these lines would be greatly appreciated
Thank you
Fondoo

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tsip29 - 17 Oct 2005 17:26 GMT

you can have a consut with Dr. Al-Bayati (http://www.toxi-health.com/). he
has helped people who choose a diffrent approach to hiv/aids.

in my country the netherlands i know a few people who take this approach.
not only looking at hiv as the cause for every symptom the have.but look
also at the other deficiencies, nutrtional imbalance,
bactirial/viraal...etc.

try to write Dr. Al-Bayati or any other docter who treat people this way
and ask them. because to rely on people on this forum alone, i do not
dissident or not.

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Chris Noble - 19 Oct 2005 05:25 GMT

> you can have a consut with Dr. Al-Bayati (http://www.toxi-health.com/). he
> has helped people who choose a diffrent approach to hiv/aids.

Al-Bayati is not a doctor. He does not treat anyone.

Chris Noble

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tsip29 - 20 Oct 2005 12:44 GMT

...Al-Bayati is not a doctor. He does not treat anyone.

that might be correct. but he may advise/consult you on what other people
have done and effect of treatments..etc

like many alternatieve docter, treat people, but the person in question is
under the care of a regular docter. if something might go wrong the
regular docter can interfine(stop the treatment).

and still decide to go for normal medecine.

and i think Al-Bayati knows what he is talking about.

if i get a serious disease i will consult both sides. or even get a second
opinion.

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Chris Noble - 19 Oct 2005 04:59 GMT

Giraldo still recommends monitoring T cell counts.
"2.3 It is important to evaluate the functioning status of the immune
system with tests such as T and B cell counts, ..."

You may also benefit from reading studies by Fawzi.

I think it is better reading the original studies than someone elses
interpretation.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?db=pubmed&cmd=Search&term=%22Fawzi
+W%22%5BAuthor%5D

Multivitamins and antioxidants have undergone controlled trials.
Vitamin A was not shown to be beneficial in controlled trials.

Low glutathione levels are predictive of progression to AIDS.
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/94/5/1967#F2

Independent of the interpretation this is important.

Chris Noble

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Iconoclaster - 20 Oct 2005 00:55 GMT

One of Fawzi's papers starts like this:

>"HIV-1 infection is having a devastating impact on people in developing

countries. Poor nutrition and HIV-related adverse health outcomes
contribute to a vicious cycle that may be slowed down by using
nutritional
interventions, including vitamins and minerals."

Oh... Right. Makes me think of the "Malnutrition Virus", described by
satirist Marcel Girodian.
My own virus, the .357 Magnum Virus, works the same way: The bullet is a
cofactor, so if you take the bullets out, the action of the virus may be
slowed down.
Now really, Mr. Noble! (and Mr. Fawzi): If we leave HIV completely out
of
the equation, don't you think we'd get the same results? You feed people
properly, their health improves. Why the hocus pocus with a virus? More
$$$$ ?
But I do agree with your suggestion to read the original studies.

The second reference, about glutathione, looks a lot better. But do they
really need 8 authors at Stanford these days, to produce one paper?
This study shows clearly that low GSH levels are predictive of
deteriorating health. But WHY the hell drag "HIV" into the whole story?
Depressed GSH levels can be caused by various mechanisms, the most obvious
being oxidation. So why include a "magic" ingredient such as "HIV"?
Without even so much as mentioning HIV, this would have been a fine paper.
$$$$ ?

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