A writer for the Los Angeles times who has been covering the death of denial
Christine Maggiore's child is now looking for input on the wider story of
HIV denialism and the damage it has done. In particular, they want to know
about any denialists who have carried their beliefs to the grave, dying of
AIDS, or more importantly people who once followed the denialist claims but
later changed their minds and pursued HIV therapy. The latter or welcome
whether or not they suffered disease progression while engaging in the
denialist beliefs.
Anyone who can help should email: Daniel Costello
Daniel.Costello@latimes.com
It's important that we help with stories like this. It's crazy that we still
have to be battling with the denialists this long into the epidemic.

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Gary Stein
ge.stein@verizon.net
wilyretrovirus - 13 Oct 2005 23:36 GMT
This sounds like good news to me.
The LA Times really botched it by going after Christine this way.
First, this is more "advertising" for the dissidents than has ever been
accomplished before.
Second, this reeks of desperation. They screwed up, now they're trying to
make it look like they've got to try and save face. This will backfire,
as they're only painting themselves into a smaller and smaller corner.
Thanks for the good news, Gary.
Brian Mailman - 14 Oct 2005 00:46 GMT
> Anyone who can help should email: Daniel Costello
> Daniel.Costello@latimes.com
Invite him to monitor this newsgroup.... tell him, as our pet farmboy
says, he can make up his own mind who is intellectually honest and
straightforward... and not manipulating the science with semantic trickery.
B/
Fondoo - 14 Oct 2005 07:08 GMT
I like the fact that they NEED to find more of the kind of crap
reporting they did on Christine. It's the same old tactic of taking the
focus off valid questions and reasoning and putting in on crap stories
like this. It speaks of fear and damage control.
Come on Gary you have to see the understudied aspects of AIDS and put 2
and 2 together that Big-Pharma has way to much control here. Much of the
dissident movement would be happy to be proven wrong as long as the truth
was sought not the protection of existing ideas. We are tired of the ever
changing definition.
How many people are going to die this year of ARV poisoning? Nobody can
even guess without proper double blind placebo studies. That’s F***ing
wrong to call it all AIDS death.
Funny why my friends and I have not been asked by our doctor to enroll
in studies because we are refusing treatment, yet the establishment claim
it’s immoral to have placebo groups or untreated control arms. F*** I
would help out in a hot second as would my friends to give them there
untreated controls. I want the truth not another frigging drug scam
Fondoo - 14 Oct 2005 07:13 GMT
Oh and why is there no interest in the 1000's of cases that make the AIDs
theory look questionable? Unbiased reporting? Protecting the stupid sheep
from not taking AIDS drugs all there life. Our healthy bodies are a public
health hazard ba ha ha ha!!
Chris Noble - 14 Oct 2005 08:00 GMT
> Oh and why is there no interest in the 1000's of cases that make the AIDs
> theory look questionable? Unbiased reporting? Protecting the stupid sheep
> from not taking AIDS drugs all there life. Our healthy bodies are a public
> health hazard ba ha ha ha!!
Have you contacted any of the researchers that are investigating LTNPs?
Other people volunteer to take part in these investigations.
http://www.learner.org/channel/courses/biology/units/hiv/experts/vonmuller.html
Go to pubmed and do a literature search for "long term non-progressor".
See who is currently doing research in this area and contact them. Send
them an email.
If they don't know you exist they can't find you!
Chris Noble
Fondoo - 15 Oct 2005 06:02 GMT
You make a good point Chris, I figured with all there billions if AIDS
INC wanted my help they would advertise. But your thought brings to mind
that anyone doing honest research that is not on the hunt for a patentable
drug is not going to be able to afford reaching out to me
Chris Noble - 17 Oct 2005 01:13 GMT
> You make a good point Chris, I figured with all there billions if AIDS
> INC wanted my help they would advertise. But your thought brings to mind
> that anyone doing honest research that is not on the hunt for a patentable
> drug is not going to be able to afford reaching out to me
There is research into LTNPs. Do a literature search. Much of it is
being funded by funding bodies other than pharmaceutical companies. If
you think that you could make a contribution then why don't you
volunteer?
You could even find out something about your own case. Maybe you really
are a false positive. Maybe you are infected with a defective HIV virus
that is non-pathogenic. Maybe your CD4 counts are low and you are not a
LTNP.
What do you have to lose apart from ignornace.
Chris Noble
pauleewhiting - 14 Oct 2005 11:01 GMT
"Invite him to monitor this newsgroup.... tell him, as our pet farmboy
says, he can make up his own mind who is intellectually honest and
straightforward... and not manipulating the science with semantic
trickery.
So, Brian, is "pet farmboy" my new title?
Are the apologits - who stand so *firmly* on their "mountains of data" and
who *slay* any who oppose them with their "overwhelming evidence" - so
desperate as to find themselves needing to create an even larger
propoganda campaign to keep the HIV myth alive?
Wilyretrovirus is right! This *is* good news!
Keep on putting those dissidents views into the consciousness of the
public! We really appreciate all of the marketing you all are doing for
us! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Maybe these stories can be run all over the world - just like The
Christine Maggiore Witchhunt - so then *everyone* will know there are
people questioning the HIV theory of AIDS! That would *really* help us
out!
Keep on keepin' on, boys!!! You are doing a better job than we *ever*
could of raising awareness!
Love you! Mean it!
-Paulee
jspreen - 14 Oct 2005 11:09 GMT
Yeah, that is great news. I just sent the next message to LA Times David
Costello. Help them learn and evolve !
____
Dear sir,
Some weeks ago the LA-Times published an article on the death of Christine
Maggiore's little daughter. I'm very happy to learn that you are looking
for more information on denialists (or dissidents) of the HIV explanation
of AIDS and I am confident that your research will enable the LA-Times to
print some kind of mea culpa. In my opinion it is important to have a
broad view upon the whole issue and it might be of great interest to read
the documents you can find on:
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jan.spreen/21rst.htm
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jan.spreen/SIDA-EN.htm
I hope you'll enjoy the reading and that you find some interesting ideas
in the two documents.
Yours truly
Jan Spreen
France
pauleewhiting - 14 Oct 2005 11:26 GMT
"It's important that we help with stories like this. It's crazy that we
still have to be battling with the denialists this long into the
epidemic."
That's a GREAT idea!
Then, maybe Daniel Costello can do a story on parents who are *clearly* in
denial over their child's autism being caused by mercury poisoning!
We can finally put a stop to *all* of the denialists who question
epidemics!
WILLAMETTE WEEK COVER STORY 10/12/2005
Curing Jamie Handley - One Portland family pushes a fix for the autism
"epidemic."
BY ANGELA VALDEZ
"Jamie is autistic, and his parents blame the disorder on mercury
poisoning."
"They see their morning routine as a small victory in a battle being waged
by thousands of parents against a perceived epidemic..."
"While conventional medicine holds that autism stems from an abnormality
in the brain, alternative theories have long sought an external cause for
the devastating disorder... Today, parents like the Handleys blame
mercury and a corrupt medical establishment."
"The Handleys were shocked to read that U.S. autism rates had skyrocketed
in recent years, from 1 in 10,000 in the 1980s to as many as 1 in 166
today. Mainstream medicine downplayed the existence of an epidemic and
offered parents little hope. According to the Centers for Disease Control
and Prevention website, the cause of the disorder was unknown—maybe
genetics, maybe an environmental contagion—and a cure was not on the
horizon."
"In addition to the mainstream descriptions, the Handleys couldn't miss
the abundance of online testimonials linking autism to mercury
poisoning."
"In countless articles, parents and a handful of doctors attested to a
direct connection between thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative once
common in childhood vaccines, and the onset of autism. With growing anger,
the Handleys read parents' accounts of autistic symptoms emerging around
the same time their children received vaccines."
"Even though most medical institutions—from the CDC to the American
Academy of Pediatrics—reject the theories and treatments as junk science,
the thimerosal argument made sense to the Handleys. They believed that
science could explain Jamie's sudden deterioration. J.B. says his distrust
of bureaucrats, a skepticism he learned from his father, and his wife's
'truth compass' made it easy to believe that the CDC and vaccine
manufacturers would hide a deadly secret from parents."
"When they visited their pediatrician, however, he dismissed their
beliefs. 'That was the last visit we had with our moronic mainstream
pediatrician,' J.B. says."
"Early this year, the Handleys launched a nonprofit dedicated to compiling
information on biomedical theories and helping parents find resources.
Their ads in The New York Times and USA Today—costing at least
$300,000—stated: "'Mercury poisoning and autism. It isn't a coincidence.'"
"Lisa, a slender blonde with easygoing poise, speaks with heartfelt
honesty about her faith in the thimerosal theory. She feels hurt that so
many people dismiss her beliefs. 'To have to meet all these experts who
say that you're crazy, that you're wrong, that you're desperate,' she
says, 'it's really hard.'"
"J.B. is more forceful. ... When Lisa begins to talk about the science
behind autism, he often interjects, saying, 'I'll explain.' Although he is
open with the press, he is also hostile toward journalists who've taken a
critical view of the biomedical movement, especially 'two a-holes from The
New York Times.'"
http://www.wweek.com/story.php?story=6822