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GMCarter - 11 Oct 2005 22:14 GMT http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/05/30/ED9 6076.DTL
San Francisco Chronicle Proven Connection -- HIV Causes AIDS Differences between U.S. and African epidemics don't disprove cause of both
Jay Levy, Nancy Padian, Jeff Sheehy
Tuesday, May 30, 2000
--THE VIEW PUBLISHED in Open Forum last week during South African President Thado Mbeki's visit to San Francisco gives the impression that the association between HIV and AIDS is still questionable. The contrary is true.--
The overwhelming evidence indicates that HIV causes AIDS.
The HIV deniers have pointed to President Mbeki's recognition that HIV in Africa has been transmitted predominately by heterosexual contact, as opposed to the United States and other developed countries where HIV has been transmitted predominately by homosexual contact. The belief has been stated that this discrepancy somehow proves that HIV does not cause AIDS.
It is important not to confuse the epidemiology of HIV transmission in the United States with what is occurring in Africa. In this county, the studies used to determine the odds of transmitting HIV in a single act of unprotected vaginal sex between an infected man and an uninfected woman, which stand at about 1,000 to 1, excluded risk factors known to increase HIV transmission. These low odds do not hold in the presence of other well-established risk factors, prominent in Africa, such as other sexually transmitted diseases, which can increase the risk. Thus warnings, based on science about heterosexual transmission that lead people to change their behaviors to save their own lives and the lives of others, have been a critical component of our prevention strategies.
Indeed, successful HIV prevention programs have actually been responsible for maintaining low infection rates among heterosexuals in this country. Notwithstanding this country's success in limiting heterosexual transmission of HIV, there are many factors that could account for the widespread heterosexual epidemic in Africa that differ from what we have observed here. As is the case with virtually all illnesses and infections, patterns of disease distribution and transmission differ depending on location.
Some of these factors are biological, and some are behavioral and social. Biological factors include the high prevalence of other sexually transmitted diseases, which facilitate transmission, and the high rates of bacterial vaginosis among women, known to increase susceptibility. Also, in Africa a predominant virus (clade C) may be more easily transmitted through mucosal contact. Further, the presence of many tropical diseases, as well as nutritional and other factors among people in developing countries, may compromise their general immune competence and thus increase susceptibility to HIV infection.
Behavioral and social factors that could facilitate the heterosexual spread of HIV in Africa include a greater power imbalance between genders that makes it much more difficult for women to avoid sexual contact with an infected husband or to negotiate condom use. Importantly, there is less access to health care, which greatly contributes to high rates of sexually transmitted diseases and other health problems that might increase susceptibility to HIV.
Finally, far fewer resources have been available for successful prevention programs when such resources are urgently needed in Africa and the developing world to fight this disease. There is an abundance of evidence proving that HIV causes AIDS. A fact sheet (found at hivinsite.ucsf.edu/) prepared by the Office of Communications and Public Liaison at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases clearly shows the link:
Koch's postulates, developed in the late 19th century, are the most cited criteria used over the years to prove the connection between disease-causing agents and disease. These tenets have served as the litmus test for determining the cause of any epidemic disease.
To restate:
1. Epidemiological association: The suspected cause must be strongly associated with the disease.
2. Isolation: The suspected pathogen can be isolated -- and propagated -- outside the host.
3. Transmission pathogenesis: Transfer of the suspected pathogen to an uninfected host, man or animal, produces the disease in that host. With regard to postulate 1, numerous studies from around the world show that virtually all AIDS patients carry antibodies that indicate HIV infection.
With regard to postulate 2, modern laboratory techniques have allowed the isolation of HIV in virtually all AIDS patients, as well as in almost all HIV-positive individuals with both early- and late-stage disease. In addition, the polymerase chain reaction procedure and other sophisticated molecular techniques have enabled researchers to document the presence of HIV genes in virtually all patients with AIDS, as well as in individuals in earlier stages of HIV disease.
HIV infection always precedes AIDS. Postulate 3 has been fulfilled in tragic incidents such as those involving three laboratory workers with no other risk factors who have developed AIDS or severe immune deficiency after accidental exposure to concentrated, pure HIV in the laboratory. In all three cases, HIV was isolated from the infected individual, sequenced and shown to be identical to the infectious virus from the laboratory.
In addition, through June 1999, the Centers for Disease Control received reports of 55 health care workers in the United States with documented, occupationally acquired HIV infection, of whom 25 have developed AIDS in the absence of other risk factors. The development of AIDS following infection with HIV also has been repeatedly observed in pediatric and adult blood-transfusion cases, in mother-to-child transmission, and in studies of hemophilia, injection-drug use and sexual transmission in which antibodies to HIV can be documented using serial blood samples. Indeed, young children free of any risk factors that might be associated with immune disorders (e.g., illicit drug use, malnutrition, therapy for other diseases) have developed AIDS. HIV was the only infectious agent associated with their disease. We know that HIV causes AIDS. We know how HIV is transmitted. We know that advising people to avoid contact with HIV is the best way to avoid infection. We can only hope that the public is aware that encouraging even one person to stop practicing safe sex, to believe that HIV is no longer something to be feared, can have tragic consequences.
The reality underlying this divisive controversy is that so much remains to be done. In several communities here in the United States, HIV is spreading. In Africa and in much of the developing world, the spread of the disease is catastrophic. If left unchallenged, HIV will continue to infect and sicken the populations of the world. Instead of continuing to question the overwhelming evidence that HIV causes AIDS, let us join together to fight this infectious agent before it can create even more devastating damage in the world.
Dr. Jay Levy is professor of medicine at UCSF, and director of the Laboratory for Tumor and AIDS Virus Research. Dr. Nancy Padian is professor of obstetrics, gynecology, and reproductive science at UCSF, and director of international research at UCSF's AIDS Research Institute. Jeff Sheehy is the communications deputy director for UCSF's AIDS Research Institute.
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pauleewhiting - 12 Oct 2005 04:52 GMT "The overwhelming evidence indicates that HIV causes AIDS."
“In the past, we have received comments about the ‘overwhelming evidence’ (a favorite expression of establishment scientists) for HIV causing AIDS, but precious little direct comments on the specific challenges [to] the theory, challenges which are now widening the chinks in the armor of the HIV hypothesis into gaping holes.”
sci.med.aids newsgroup, December 29, 1996
— Todd Miller, PhD, Assistant Professor, Department of Molecular and Cellular Pharmacology, University of Miami School of Medicine, Florida
“Proponents of the HIV dogma assert repeatedly that ‘the evidence for HIV is overwhelming.’ When they are asked to produce it or cite some reference, the usual response is ridicule or some ad hominem attack imputing motives. But never a simple statement of facts. Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever provided a definitive answer to the simple question, ‘Where is the study that proves HIV causes AIDS?’ It’s just something that ‘everybody knows’ is true.”
Aids Heresy And The New Bishops, Monadnock Review 1997, 2001
— James P. Hogan, author of 26 science fiction novels and the science books Kicking the Sacred Cow: Questioning the Unquestionable and Thinking the Impermissible and Mind Matters: Exploring the World of Artificial Intelligence.
“Unfortunately, the assumption that it has been proven is so universal, and so universally used as the premise of any research, that there is virtually no data free of it. Thus, what was a supposition to be tested has become accepted as a fact, proven by a circularity. Data gathered using the assumption that HIV causes AIDS are offered as ‘overwhelming’ evidence of the assumption.”
Conference for Science and Democracy, Institute for Philosophical Studies, Naples, Italy, April 20, 2001
— Anthony F. Liversidge, Science Writer and contributing editor at Omni Magazine
Gary Stein - 12 Oct 2005 18:01 GMT > "The overwhelming evidence indicates that HIV causes AIDS." > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > using the assumption that HIV causes AIDS are offered as ‘overwhelming’ > evidence of the assumption.” ROFLMAO, this one is a prime example of the quotes Paul so loves to spread. Here he thinks because Mr. James P. Hogan is the author of 26 science fiction novels then of course he is an expert on medicine, virology, pharmacology etc etc. Well he is an expert at writing 'fiction' and that's what he's done here write some more fiction.
Gary Stein
pauleewhiting - 13 Oct 2005 06:17 GMT "ROFLMAO, this one is a prime example of the quotes Paul so loves to spread. Here he thinks because Mr. James P. Hogan is the author of 26 science fiction novels then of course he is an expert on medicine, virology, pharmacology etc etc. Well he is an expert at writing 'fiction' and that's what he's done here write some more fiction."
My GOD, Gary, how could I have NOT SEEN what foolishness there is in quoting an author!
Why, why it's *unheard of* for someone who *isn't* an "expert on medicine, virology, pharmacology etc etc." to question a blatently flawed scientific theory!
But wait!
Even if the dissidents *DO* quote someone questioning the HIV theory who also happens to be an "expert on medicine, virology, pharmacology," these individuals are *STILL* dismissed for some other reason - usually because they are "denialists."
Isn't it AMAZING how NO ONE who questions the HIV theory of AIDS can be trusted?
Is this just a COINCIDENCE? I think NOT, brothers and sisters!
CLEARLY all those who question this theory are crackpots, regardless of what kind of formal training they may have....
In fact, ANYONE who questions government-funded science AT ALL, is just a nut case!
And we should just LOCK THEM UP and be done with it!
-Reverend Whiting
GMCarter - 13 Oct 2005 11:58 GMT >"ROFLMAO, this one is a prime example of the quotes Paul so loves to >spread. Here he thinks because Mr. James P. Hogan is the author of 26 [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >My GOD, Gary, how could I have NOT SEEN what foolishness there is in >quoting an author! My GOD Paul, I'm so glad you were the one that said
>"HIV exists and causes AIDS." George M. Carter
Polly Prissypants - 12 Oct 2005 08:17 GMT GMCarter wrote..., On 10/11/2005 14:14:
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2000/05/30/ED9 6076.DTL > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > belief has been stated that this discrepancy somehow proves that HIV > does not cause AIDS. And so of course the leftist San Francisco intellectuals are in quite a bind. On one hand they want billions of more dollars dumped on HIV research, and on the other hand they must subscribe to the notion that all ethnic cultures are equal, absolutely equal. South Africa represents an African culture, albeit more sophisticated than most, so if the South African dictator says that HIV does not cause AIDS then that is representative of African cultural opinion and therefore equally valid as the imperialist Western notion that HIV causes AIDS.
How do enlightened leftists reconcile their opinion with the opinion of third-world cultures that they consider equal? If for some reason leftists felt the need to launch space probes, would they consult with aerospace engineers from a culture that believed the earth was flat and had no concept of zero? Are traditional tribal traditions (involving animal sacrifice) to be given equal validity as the most modern quantum string theory?
GMCarter - 12 Oct 2005 12:18 GMT snip
>And so of course the leftist San Francisco intellectuals are in quite >a bind. what the f.ck are you on about, diablo?
Brian Mailman - 12 Oct 2005 18:30 GMT > snip >>And so of course the leftist San Francisco intellectuals are in quite >>a bind. > > what the f.ck are you on about, diablo? If he only actually considered, San Franciscans are actually quite conservative all in all.
B/
Death - 09 Nov 2005 16:19 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> San Francisco Chronicle > Proven Connection -- HIV Causes AIDS
> as opposed to the United States and other developed countries where > HIV has been transmitted predominately by homosexual contact. Do you read the stuff you post? Aids is in the a.shole.
GMCarter - 09 Nov 2005 17:19 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Do you read the stuff you post? >Aids is in the a.shole. Wow, then you are Aids personified.
If by that you mean HIV is transmitted by unprotected anal sex, no one has ever argued that.
So you really do have this a.shole fixation, doncha? And don't it make ya wonder?
Death - 09 Nov 2005 17:57 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> So you really do have this a.shole fixation, doncha? And don't it make > ya wonder? LOL. I'm not the one sitting here whining that I have a faggot disease. Seems you have the a.shole fixation and the filthy disease to prove it.
I'm here to remind you of it, LOL
GMCarter - 09 Nov 2005 18:00 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> So you really do have this a.shole fixation, doncha? And don't it make >> ya wonder? >> >LOL. I'm not the one sitting here whining that I have a faggot disease. What are you sitting here doing? Expending your life being an a.shole. Hmmm....wonder why?
So when did you become HIV+?
George M. Carter
Death - 09 Nov 2005 18:36 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> So when did you become HIV+? LOL, I'm not. Ain't life been mean to you?
Lets take about the grubment staying out of the bedroom until you need aid with the aids you got in the bedroom.
GMCarter - 09 Nov 2005 23:00 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> So when did you become HIV+? >> >LOL, I'm not. Really?
Death - 10 Nov 2005 01:00 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Really? Really really
Death - 09 Nov 2005 18:39 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> What are you sitting here doing? Expending your life being an a.shole. Not at all. a.sholes spread aids so I can't be one of those filthy things.
GMCarter - 09 Nov 2005 23:01 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> What are you sitting here doing? Expending your life being an a.shole. > >Not at all. a.sholes spread aids so I can't be one of those filthy things. LOL...grant ya that. More like what comes out of them. Smelly gas and sh.t!
Now, dear. Please. Find yourself some healing.
Gary had some interesting advice about the twit filter....I'll consider that.
Best of luck, dear.
George M. Carter
Brian Mailman - 09 Nov 2005 23:55 GMT > Gary had some interesting advice about the twit filter....I'll > consider that. It's possible it's time to invoke Formosa's Rule...
B/
Death - 10 Nov 2005 01:04 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >Not at all. a.sholes spread aids so I can't be one of those filthy things. > > LOL...grant ya that. an action or an opinion?
Brian Mailman - 09 Nov 2005 23:51 GMT >>> So you really do have this a.shole fixation, doncha? And don't it make >>> ya wonder? Say, did you get the email I sent a last week or so, with that 'interesting' messag he made?
B/
GMCarter - 10 Nov 2005 11:10 GMT >>>> So you really do have this a.shole fixation, doncha? And don't it make >>>> ya wonder? > >Say, did you get the email I sent a last week or so, with that >'interesting' messag he made? Hmmmm....not sure...is that the one where he was looking for a nice big latino stud to bang his hot aching little hole?
Brian Mailman - 10 Nov 2005 22:29 GMT >>>>> So you really do have this a.shole fixation, doncha? And don't it make >>>>> ya wonder? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Hmmmm....not sure...is that the one where he was looking for a nice > big latino stud to bang his hot aching little hole? I suspect I've now proved that I knew what I was talking about :)
B/
Death - 11 Nov 2005 00:46 GMT "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message >
> I suspect I've now proved that I knew what I was talking about "suspect" is the correct word. In fact you have failed miserably in posting the trace for your fantasy.
If ya got it, flaunt it.
GMCarter - 11 Nov 2005 11:08 GMT snip
>If ya got it, flaunt it. You'd like that, eh? Love to see him flaunt it...see that big, throbbing pulsing member, filling your mouth with saliva, tingling your loins into an excitement that you just gosh darn HATE so much but oh! Look at that....
LOL. You're such a silly w.nker.
Death - 11 Nov 2005 15:24 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > LOL. You're such a silly w.nker. Just like a faggot to take something and pervert it. That still won't distract from the fact the faggot sock mailman has not posted the trace to hang me with.
If you could, you would have done so by now. Your lie is blatant and obvious. What a clown you are.
GMCarter - 11 Nov 2005 16:36 GMT ...
>If you could, you would have done so by now. >Your lie is blatant and obvious. What a clown you are. You're a joke. Who cares what an anonymous wretch like you has to say?
LOL....dearest! Really. The one who has to suffer the ignominy of your hate and fear and self-loathing the most is only you!
If you allowed yourself the opportunity to let go of the hate, you would feel much better.
But ya won't. You're way too much of a coward.
Is that your definition of a "man" then, eh?
George Mary Carter
Death - 11 Nov 2005 16:55 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> LOL.... Really. The one who has to suffer the ignominy of your > hate and fear and self-loathing the most is only you! No, it seems to bother you more, LOL I'm having a good ole time, my clown
Hey have you heard Texas is the 19th state to reject faggot marriage? It seems the faggots ain't as accepted as they claim.
See faggie, I am not alone, just more in your face.
GMCarter - 11 Nov 2005 19:29 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >No, it seems to bother you more, LOL >I'm having a good ole time, my clown Wow. Rather this than out there girl hunting, huh? Hmmmm...wonder why?
You call this a good time? Phew. You truly are a sad lilttle nothing much, aren't ya?
>Hey have you heard Texas is the 19th state to reject faggot marriage? Maine accepted it! LOL.
>It seems the faggots ain't as accepted as they claim. Seems like Texas kills a lot of people and still embraces racism and sexism. But not all Texans feel that way, of course.
But times, they are a-changin'
George M. Carter
Death - 11 Nov 2005 20:15 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> Wow. Rather this than out there girl hunting, huh? Hmmmm...wonder why? LOL, I've told you before, I don't date girls. My wife won't let me.
my senile clown, LOL
GMCarter - 11 Nov 2005 20:32 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> Wow. Rather this than out there girl hunting, huh? Hmmmm...wonder why? >> >LOL, I've told you before, I don't date girls. >My wife won't let me. LOL. You're not married. You're lying. No woman would be sluttish enough to marry a jackass like you that fritters away his time pretending he's married and beating up homos whilst secretly desiring a homoerotic liaison!
Silly clown!! lol....
George M. Carter
Death - 11 Nov 2005 23:47 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > >LOL, I've told you before, I don't date girls. > >My wife won't let me. > > LOL. You're not married. You're lying. shrug If you say so, my senile aids ravished ole clown.
Hey lets go down to the drug store and put holes in all the con-dumbs.
for all you know I may live down the street from you
GMCarter - 12 Nov 2005 00:18 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >shrug If you say so, i do.
Death - 12 Nov 2005 02:33 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> i do. hahahahahah not in 19 states, and counting
hey wanna go to a roadside shithouse in Texas and watch the faggies cry?
Death - 11 Nov 2005 19:25 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >
> LOL.... The one who has to suffer the ignominy of your > hate and fear and self-loathing the most is only you! LOL, looks like you are still full of sh.t faggie. This came from flame f.cking faggots, posted by James, enjoy
State Marriage Amendments -- 19 In a Row ... and Counting
Jody Brown
(AgapePress) - State constitutional amendments protecting traditional marriage continued their unbeaten streak on Tuesday when Texans overwhelmingly voted in favor of keeping marriage what it has been for centuries: the union of a man and a woman.
Texas became the 19th state to approve a constitutional ban on same-sex "marriage." Proposition 2 received 76 percent of the vote yesterday despite attempts by the opposition to confuse voters. Homosexual rights activists used pre-election phone calls, e-mails and Internet postings to spread their case, arguing that the proposition was poorly worded and could mean trouble for conventional marriage between a man and a woman. Some of those phone calls reportedly played a pre-recorded message from someone claiming to be a pastor and urging people to vote no on the proposition if they wanted to protect traditional marriage.
As approved, the amendment not only states that marriage in Texas consists only of the union of one man and one woman, but also prohibits the state or its political subdivisions from creating or recognizing any legal status identical or similar to marriage, such as civil unions. Same-sex marriage was already illegal in Texas, but supporters of the amendment said it was needed to prevent judges from striking down the law.
Conservative spokesman Gary Bauer calls the vote in the Lone Star State a "resounding endorsement of traditional marriage," noting that when President Bush ran for re-election in 2004 he only received 61 percent in his home state. That, says Bauer, is an indication of the "power of this issue" of protecting traditional marriage.
And with Texas being the 19th state to approve a constitutional amendment do exactly that, Bauer wonders if national leaders are paying attention. "How many of these votes do we have to win by such lop-sided margins before Congress finds the political will to support the people's values?" he asks. Bauer, chairman of the Campaign for Working Families, is a strong proponent of the need for a federal marriage amendment.
A 'Tall Tale' So why didn't the campaign of deception staged by advocates of same-sex marriage work? Bob Knight of the Culture and Family Institute attributes it to the common sense found in the people of Texas.
"Most Texans are down-to-earth folks," Knight says, "which is why the attempt to fool them into thinking a marriage protection amendment was actually a threat to marriage didn't wash." He says whoever thought of that "tall tale" are "snake oil salesmen."
Texas was the only state with a marriage amendment on the ballot this election cycle. Several more states are slated to vote on state constitutional marriage amendments next year. Among those are Alabama, South Carolina, South Dakota, and Tennessee.
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"The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."--Edmund Burke
GMCarter - 11 Nov 2005 19:31 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> LOL.... The one who has to suffer the ignominy of your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >State Marriage Amendments -- 19 In a Row ... and Counting A lot of states didn't want desegregation or civil rights either.
Didn't make it right. Just more of the pathetic dogmatism of right wing ideologues, bigots and cowards who hide behind the internet!
LOL.....you won't last long. Truth will roll over you...and maybe wake you up so you can let go of your diseased mind's grip on hate, fear and cowardice?
Probably not.
George M. Carter
Death - 11 Nov 2005 20:12 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> A lot of states didn't want desegregation or civil rights either. that has nothing to do with faggots so your distraction ain't working
19 states and counting
GMCarter - 11 Nov 2005 20:14 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> A lot of states didn't want desegregation or civil rights either. >> >that has nothing to do with faggots LOL...you make the point nicely. Discrimination, bigotry, racism, homophobia--they're of a class of expressions of being that are all about stigma, discrimination, oppression and generated by small minded folks who can't find a girl friend, for example.
Or don't have the guts to use their own name!
George M. Carter
Death - 11 Nov 2005 23:52 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > LOL...you make the point nicely. ... again
hey lets go to the store and watch faggots buy pampers and pretend they aren't for their aids infected, too large to hold back accidents a.shole.
GMCarter - 12 Nov 2005 00:19 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >again you lies are your legacy. Your hate is your doom.
Death - 12 Nov 2005 03:00 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> you lies are your legacy. point out just one lie faggie. that should be easy for a smart shiteater like you.
never mind, heck you can't even keep your a.shole free of disease.
Hey,lets go to the blue oyster bar and pass out those con-dumbs with the holes.
GMCarter - 12 Nov 2005 12:22 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> you lies are your legacy. >> >point out just one lie faggie. most any of your posts are filled with lies...mostly the ones you tell to yourself!
wow! I can see the heat of your fury is boiling up inside you...the rage is going to crack your skull and fry your guts, even as you impotently hide behind your keyboard in that rather tawdry, stained pair of panties....
best, dearest....
Death - 13 Nov 2005 00:12 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > most any of your posts are filled with lies...mostly the ones you tell > to yourself! I just asked for ONE, I didn't think you'd pass on such an easy task, but alas, you did.
Come on give it another try
GMCarter - 13 Nov 2005 00:52 GMT >I just asked for ONE, I didn't think you'd pass on such >an easy task, but alas, you did. You just lied about your name.
Death - 13 Nov 2005 02:27 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >I just asked for ONE, I didn't think you'd pass on such > >an easy task, but alas, you did. > > You just lied about your name. show me
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