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AIDS solved - Syphilis living in white blood cells resists treatment

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copi - 03 Oct 2005 22:56 GMT
breakthrough from Lyme desease science with Dr. Marshall.
Borrelia and Treponema are building longtime cysts:

http://autoimmunityresearch.org/trevor-30th.ram

Th1 immune response breaks down.

(Th2 immune response with more and more actin, p24,
reverse transcriptase and other antibodies becomes only weapon of
defense.
this only for our HIV-fans)

see http://www.colman.net video about syphilis
Alex - 07 Oct 2005 04:27 GMT
> breakthrough from Lyme desease science with Dr. Marshall.
> Borrelia and Treponema are building longtime cysts:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> see http://www.colman.net video about syphilis

Great info. Wasn't there someone a while ago who
tried to explain AIDS through syphilis?

Alex
copi - 10 Oct 2005 21:01 GMT
> > breakthrough from Lyme desease science with Dr. Marshall.
> > Borrelia and Treponema are building longtime cysts:
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Great info. Wasn't there someone a while ago who
> tried to explain AIDS through syphilis?

dont know who it was.
have you seen the video from Dr. Marshall?
copi - 14 Oct 2005 14:01 GMT
> > breakthrough from Lyme desease science with Dr. Marshall.
> > Borrelia and Treponema are building longtime cysts:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> Alex

TODAY in our spirochete series:

longtime survivor are more and more people with NO history of STDs.
here a typical story of a 20-year p24-patient:

http://healsd.topcities.com/joyce.htm
GMCarter - 14 Oct 2005 14:42 GMT
snip

>TODAY in our spirochete series:
>
>longtime survivor are more and more people with NO history of STDs.
>here a typical story of a 20-year p24-patient:
>
>http://healsd.topcities.com/joyce.htm

Has nothing to do with spirochetes. Some people with HIV do not appear
to see CD4 declines and remain healthy.

The clinical presentation associated with syphilis is quite distinct
from HIV. They are not the same. Syphilis is not even a necessary
cofactor for AIDS to develop.

Tertiary syphilis can take DECADES to manifest. AIDS generally
develops on average around 8 years after infection.

        George M. Carter
copi - 14 Oct 2005 15:21 GMT
>Has nothing to do with spirochetes.

a past infection with spirochetes has to do with STDs.
the doctors told Joyce her HIV-p24 is her lucky gene.
isnt that silly?
GMCarter - 14 Oct 2005 15:55 GMT
>>Has nothing to do with spirochetes.
>
>a past infection with spirochetes has to do with STDs.

All spirochetes?? They're all the same?? Lyme disease is an STD???

>the doctors told Joyce her HIV-p24 is her lucky gene.
>isnt that silly?

Yes. What doctors? When did this Joyce write that piece? Odd. Well, I
hope she is in good health and spirits, in any event.

        George M. Carter
copi - 15 Oct 2005 18:36 GMT
some more links to the Hiv ccr5 treponema connection

http://web.archive.org/web/20041013131900/actionlyme.com/Radolf.htm

http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/166/6/4131

http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/169/11/6316

and much more, google for yourself
GMCarter - 15 Oct 2005 22:26 GMT
>some more links to the Hiv ccr5 treponema connection
>
>http://web.archive.org/web/20041013131900/actionlyme.com/Radolf.htm

Lyme disease is not the same as syphilis.

>http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/166/6/4131

Interesting article!

This comment "Immunocytochemical and RT-PCR analyses of early
syphilitic skin lesions have revealed that these infiltrating cells,
as well as keratinocytes and proximal vascular endothelium, are
activated and that the T cells are elaborating cytokines consistent
with a Th1 response (4, 8)." underscores that HIV and syphilis are not
at all the same.

Sounds like syphilis antigens are the new DNCB cure for AIDS! Wheee!!

>http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/169/11/6316
>
>and much more, google for yourself

Ah...appears to be irrelevant to syphilis: "Haemophilus ducreyi causes
the sexually transmitted disease chancroid, which facilitates HIV-1
transmission."

Are you, like, insane?

        George M. Carter
copi - 17 Oct 2005 10:37 GMT
> >http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/169/11/6316
> >
> >and much more, google for yourself
>
> Ah...appears to be irrelevant to syphilis: "Haemophilus ducreyi ...

a mistake,
Haemophilus ducreyi was the causative agent of the gajdusek-nobelprize
on slow viruses.

TODAY in our syphilis series:

we know, ccr5 is a treponema lipoprotein,
so HIV-CCR5P1 is syphilis - 10 percent of all positives have it.

http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/282/5395/1907?ijkey=336973308adaf
24cecef64364d82d97571a05f6c&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha


the 90 percent dont develop aids.
why not test the hiv-tests?

http://robertogiraldo.com/eng/papers/EveryoneTestsPositive.html
GMCarter - 17 Oct 2005 12:54 GMT
>> >http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/content/full/169/11/6316
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
>we know, ccr5 is a treponema lipoprotein,

What??? Who knows that??

CCR5 is a chemokine receptor. All humans, nearly, express it (with the
exception of a tiny fraction delta-32 homozygous individuals).

>so HIV-CCR5P1 is syphilis - 10 percent of all positives have it.
>
>http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/282/5395/1907?ijkey=336973308adaf
24cecef64364d82d97571a05f6c&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

Says: "The CCR5 gene encodes a cell surface chemokine receptor
molecule that serves as the principal coreceptor, with CD4, for
macrophage-tropic (R5) strains of human immunodeficiency virus-type 1
(HIV-1). Genetic association analysis of five cohorts of people with
acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) revealed that infected
individuals homozygous for a multisite haplotype of the CCR5
regulatory region containing the promoter allele, CCR5P1, progress to
AIDS more rapidly than those with other CCR5 promoter genotypes,
particularly in the early years after infection. Composite genetic
epidemiologic analyses of genotypes bearing CCR5P1, CCR5-Delta 32,
CCR2-64I, and SDF1-3'A affirmed distinct regulatory influences for
each gene on AIDS progression. An estimated 10 to 17 percent of
patients who develop AIDS within 3.5 years of HIV-1 infection do so
because they are homozygous for CCR5P1/P1, and 7 to 13 percent of all
people carry this susceptible genotype. The cumulative and interactive
influence of these AIDS restriction genes illustrates the multigenic
nature of host factors limiting AIDS disease progression."

NOTHING to do with syphilis.

>the 90 percent dont develop aids.
>why not test the hiv-tests?
>
>http://robertogiraldo.com/eng/papers/EveryoneTestsPositive.html

This is ancient nonsense. One interesting article:

http://www.ijmm.org/archives/oct_02/orginalarticle3.htm

And another on ELISA process for assessing levels of AFP:
http://www.izotop.hu/immuno/ek80.htm

More specifically to viral isolation:
http://www.agresearch.co.nz/scied/search/tools/Elisa/index_elisa.htm

a student's interesting paper:
http://biomicro.sdstate.edu/WangX/MVV424524/Virological%20Methods.pdf

and an interesting lecture presentation:
http://courses.brown.edu/George_Yap-BI0053_F02/sschdadd7.pdf
(the whole thing is interesting but around page 9, it gets into
ELISAs; it also underscores that cross-reactions, discussed briefly
below, are a fact of life for infections, including HIV--but it is not
an argument for the non-existence of these infectious agents.)

In part, the need for more serial dilutions may be due to the
relatively lower induction of antibody responses in HIV infection.
The level of antigen fluctuates over the course of disease and much of
HIV is sequestered in lymph nodes more than in peripheral blood.

In addition. the potential for cross reaction exists. Cross-reactions
in the cases of certain diseases or autoimmune diseases, while an
important potential confounder for an accurate diagnosis, does not
serve as an argument to rule out the existence of HIV or its
pathological effects.

Use of serial dilution in cryptosporidiosis is described here:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol7no6/eisenberg.htm

From that document:

ELISA
Antibody assays used either a recombinant Cp23 protein or a partially
purified native antigen fraction isolated from oocysts by Triton X-114
detergent extraction and were performed as described (18). Briefly,
antigens were diluted in 0.1 M Na HCO3 buffer at pH 9.6 to
concentrations of 0.2 µg/mL (recombinant Cp23) or 0.28 µg/mL (Triton
X-114-extracted antigen) and were used to sensitize 96-well plates
overnight at 4°C (50 L/well; Immunlon 2, Dynatech Industries, McLean,
VA). Plates were blocked with phosphate-buffered saline (PBS) (0.85%
NaCl and 10 mM Na2PO4 at pH 7.2) containing 0.3% Tween 20 for 1 hour
at 4°C, then washed four times with 0.05% Tween 20/PBS. Unknown sera
were diluted 1:50 in 0.05% Tween 20/PBS and loaded in duplicate (50
µL/well). Four blank wells (buffer only), duplicate wells containing
three positive control sera, and duplicate wells containing four
negative sera were included on each plate. A twofold serial dilution
(1:50 to 1:12,800) of a strong positive control was also included on
each plate to generate a standard curve. The plates were incubated for
2 hours at room temperature. Bound antibodies were quantified by using
a biotinylated mouse monoclonal antibody against human IgG (1:1,000 in
0.05% Tween 20/ PBS) (clone HP6017; Zymed Laboratories, South San
Francisco, CA) and alkaline phosphatase-labeled streptavidin (1:500 in
0.05% Tween 20/PBS) (Life Technologies, Rockville, MD) with
p-nitrophenylphosphate substrate (Sigma Chemical Co., St. Louis, MO)
as described (18). Absorbances at 405 nm were measured with a
Molecular Devices UVmax kinetic microplate reader (Sunnyvale, CA).
Antibody levels of unknown samples were assigned a unit value based on
the 9-point positive control standard curve with a four parameter
curve fit. The 1:50 dilution of the positive control serum was
arbitrarily assigned a value of 6,400 U. Arbitrary unit values were
expressed per microliter of serum.

>And what other test will come up positive 100% of the time at a 1:1 ratio
>besides HIV?

First, provide a reference that ELISA at 1:1 is 100% positive in an
HIV test. I have learned not to rely on such statements as they are
far too often distortions or inaccurate or simply lies.  

Second, other tests will come up with false positive tests at a 1:1
ratio, as I previously pointed out. Whether it is 100% I have not
researched, but again, clearly, for many infections, serial dilution
is not uncommon and, with older ELISAs, it seems that a large number
of tests come up false positive without serial dilution, depending on
the antigen being sought.

Add to this either repeated ELISA testing and/or a follow-up with a
Western Blot, the sensitivity AND the specificity rise dramatically in
evaluating an individual for HIV infection.

               George M. Carter

**
Previously posted here:
   
David Canzi      May 7 2004, 8:02 pm     show options
Newsgroups: misc.health.aids
Date: Sat, 8 May 2004 00:02:15 +0000 (UTC)
Local: Fri, May 7 2004 8:02 pm

In article
<67e8de9b3199099c2844a6922e8dd...@localhost.talkabouthealthnetwork.com>,

Yana <rusty4...@nospamcomcast.net> wrote:
>Sure, a few times dilution is ok, but explain to me why it is necessary to
>dilute 400 times for the HIV test!  

The following site sells ELISA test kits:

<http://www.eurodiagnostica.com/catalogues/Microbiology01.pdf>

Have a look at the serum dilutions they use: 1:500 for whooping
cough, 1:20 for syphilis, and 1:1000 for mycoplasma pneumoneae.
This doesn't explain why serum samples are so diluted for HIV testing,
but it does show that there is nothing unique about the dilution used
for HIV testing.

We'll soon be seeing a new breed of dissident theorist disputing
whether Bordetella pertussis really causes whooping cough, or even
exists, right?

>And what other test will come up positive 100% of the time at a 1:1 ratio
>besides HIV?

Funny how Giraldo didn't even try to find out, eh?

**   
Carlton Hogan      May 10 2000, 3:00 am     show options
Newsgroups: misc.health.aids

In article <39157a77$0$16...@reader1.casema.net>,

Alex <vandee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/data/rgelisa.htm

>EVERYBODY REACTS POSITIVE
>ON THE ELISA TEST FOR HIV

>By Roberto Giraldo

What Giraldo neatly ignores is that all of the quality control, all
the assements of specificity and sensitivity, the tests of inter-
and intra-measure variation, are all done on the test as it is
intended to be used. So he was able to generate some anolous results
by misusing the test. What does this prove? On important point to
remember is that these tests are _NOT_ approved based on theory. There
are stringent and detailed criteria in regards to the actual
_FUNCTION_ of the test that are required. Whether the denialists like
it or no, these tests have been validated, calibrated, and quality
controlled using specimens of known HIV status. And by "known HIV
status", I do _not_mean that EIA is validated by use of EIA. Theres's
some very compelling work with HIV Cultures.

"Performance characteristics of serologic tests for human
immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1) antibody among Minnesota blood
donors. Public health and clinical implications."  MacDonald KL,
Jackson JB, Bowman RJ, Polesky HF, Rhame FS, Balfour HH Jr, Osterholm
MT   Ann Intern Med. 1989 Apr 15;110(8):617-21.

"Human immunodeficiency virus type 1 detected in all seropositive
symptomatic and asymptomatic individuals" Jackson JB, Kwok SY, Sninsky
JJ, Hopsicker JS, Sannerud KJ, Rhame FS, Henry K, Simpson M, Balfour
HH Jr J Clin Microbiol. 1990 Jan;28(1):16-9.

Carlton

**   
Carlton Hogan      May 10 2000, 3:00 am     show options
Newsgroups: misc.health.aids

In article <39157a77$0$16...@reader1.casema.net>,

Alex <vandee...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>From: http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/data/rgelisa.htm

>EVERYBODY REACTS POSITIVE
>ON THE ELISA TEST FOR HIV

4. Proposal to find out the real meaning of the +HIV antibody; tests.

To uncover the meaning of these tests I propose a simple experiment:
Take blood from three groups of a people and run the tests highly
diluted, undiluted and at a wide spectrum of dilutions in between. The
first group would be a group of healthy people of many age groups; the
second group would be a group of people from the conventional AIDS
+risk groups;; the third group would be a group of people with
clinical conditions both related and unrelated to AIDS. All groups
would be subjected to both the ELISA and Western Blott tests.

The fact that Giraldo is unaware that such work has been done, and is
published reveals his familiarity with these issues.

It would also behoove him to make himself familiar with FDA's criteria
for approval of diagnostic assays.

Carlton
copi - 17 Oct 2005 14:24 GMT
>All humans, nearly, express it (with the
exception of a tiny fraction delta-32 homozygous individuals).

bullshit. only 10 percent of all positives have CCR5P1/P1 doubled.
it comes from reverse transcription of the syphilis-cytokin ccr5 m-RNA

actionlyme.org and sci.med.diseases.lyme have better antibiotics than
HIV-scientists

for the other 90 percent robertogiraldo.com has better treatments.
GMCarter - 17 Oct 2005 14:29 GMT
>>All humans, nearly, express it (with the
>exception of a tiny fraction delta-32 homozygous individuals).
>
>bullshit. only 10 percent of all positives have CCR5P1/P1 doubled.

Ah...so what? CCR5 is not the same as CCR5 P1/P1, which is a variant.
All this study (Science. 1998 Dec 4;282(5395):1907-11) suggests is
that people who express this variant who have HIV have more rapid
progression to AIDS.

>it comes from reverse transcription of the syphilis-cytokin ccr5 m-RNA

Data? T. pallidum expresses cytokines? You think CCR5 is a cytokine?

>actionlyme.org and sci.med.diseases.lyme have better antibiotics than
>HIV-scientists

What antibiotics?

I'm sure Lyme disease has all sorts of treatments to treat the
distinct spirochete that causes that syndrome.

>for the other 90 percent robertogiraldo.com has better treatments.

What treatments? Based on what data?

        George M. Carter
copi - 17 Oct 2005 14:41 GMT
>T. pallidum expresses cytokines? You think CCR5 is a cytokine?
chemokine, cytokin, interleukinXYZ, you are very intelligent George!
why no CCR5P1P1-HIV-test?
copi - 22 Oct 2005 21:14 GMT
> What treatments? Based on what data?

treponema protease inhibitors of course

the syphilis ccr5 aids connection:

> The CCR5-delta32 mutation: impact on disease outcome in individuals
> with hepatitis C infection from a single source

hep c is no disease, everybody has more ore less Hepc antibodies

> The effect that this mutation may have on HCV clearance an and
> severity may be not only important in relation to those solely
> infected with HCV, but also of vital importance to the vast numbers
> who are coinfected with HIV,

hiv is no disease, everybody has more ore less hiv antibodies.
see our aids myth exposed team!

> particularly as anti-CCR5 directed
> medications are already being investigated for the treatment of HIV.

very silly to shoot at the helping chemokines. they help fighting
intracellular bacteriel Th1 disease.
therefore the ccr5inhibitors are very toxic!
see
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/queryd.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=
10608777&dopt=Abstract


"REVERSE TRANSCRIPTION-polymerase chain reaction for CCR5 gene
transcripts ... revealed that either T. pallidum, ... induced CCR5 on
CD14 monocytes"

this detection of REVERSE TRANSCRIPTION is prove for "HIV" for the
silly hiv scientists! and some p24s of course.

> Methods: A total of 283 women, all exposed to HCV genotype 1b from a
> single donor,

what donor? strange blood with latent undetected syphilis and ebola?

>and including those who had spontaneously cleared the

> virus and those chronically infected, were genotyped for CCR2, CCR5,
> and RANTES polymorphisms. The frequencies of these polymorphisms were
> then compared with disease activity and severity.

a very sh.t of paper indeed.
Heterozygosity for CCR5allels is better than homozygosity for
CCR5allels.
what a surprise! a wide range of chemokines is always better than only
1 allel.

> Conclusion: Heterozygosity for CCR5delta32 was shown to be
> significantly associated with spontaneous hepatitis C viral clearance
> and with significantly lower hepatic inflammatory scores in subgroups
> within this cohort.

as with "hiv" disease. At homozygosity for CCR5delta32 no positive
hiv-test possible!
but not interesting in aids-science, because we have also hiv-negative
aids!

>the syphilis ccr5 aids connection:

>GMCarter wrote:
>> The CCR5-delta32 mutation: impact on disease outcome in individuals
>> with hepatitis C infection from a single source

>hep c is no disease, everybody has more ore less Hepc antibodies

>Provide evidence for this statement please.

no more interested in aids?
GMCarter - 23 Oct 2005 20:23 GMT
>> What treatments? Based on what data?
>
>treponema protease inhibitors of course

Such exist? Please share.

>the syphilis ccr5 aids connection:
>
>> The CCR5-delta32 mutation: impact on disease outcome in individuals
>> with hepatitis C infection from a single source
>
>hep c is no disease, everybody has more ore less Hepc antibodies

What data is this claim based upon?

>hiv is no disease, everybody has more ore less hiv antibodies.
>see our aids myth exposed team!

What data is this claim based upon?

>> particularly as anti-CCR5 directed
>> medications are already being investigated for the treatment of HIV.
>
>very silly to shoot at the helping chemokines. they help fighting
>intracellular bacteriel Th1 disease.
>therefore the ccr5inhibitors are very toxic!

Ah--I thought you were the one suggesting them just last week....
snip

>this detection of REVERSE TRANSCRIPTION is prove for "HIV" for the
>silly hiv scientists! and some p24s of course.

No-you are silly. The statement above is false.

>> Methods: A total of 283 women, all exposed to HCV genotype 1b from a
>> single donor,
>
>what donor? strange blood with latent undetected syphilis and ebola?

Undoubtedly someone who consumed quantities of lunar green cheese.
snip...

>as with "hiv" disease. At homozygosity for CCR5delta32 no positive
>hiv-test possible!

Incorrect. CCR5delta32 reduces the risk of HIV infection but does not
eliminate it.

What language did you grow up speaking?

        George M. Carter
copi - 23 Oct 2005 22:40 GMT
GMSpammer wrote
>>> particularly as anti-CCR5 directed
>>> medications are already being investigated for the treatment of HIV.

>>very silly to shoot at the helping chemokines. they help fighting
>>intracellular bacteriel Th1 disease.
>>therefore the ccr5inhibitors are very toxic!
>>see
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/queryd.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=
10608777&dopt=Abstract

>>"REVERSE TRANSCRIPTION-polymerase chain reaction for CCR5
>>gene
>>transcripts ... revealed that either T. pallidum, ... induced CCR5 on
>>CD14 monocytes"

>Ah--I thought you were the one suggesting them just last week....

this is all you have to say about killing hiv-patients with
chemokine terminators?
GMCarter - 24 Oct 2005 00:14 GMT
>this is all you have to say about killing hiv-patients with
>chemokine terminators?

you won't answer any questions I raise?

why are you still beating your wife?
GMCarter - 24 Oct 2005 00:21 GMT
>>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/queryd.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=
10608777&dopt=Abstract

You really have no clue about what you post here, do you?

        George M. Carter

**
Sellati TJ, Wilkinson DA, Sheffield JS, Koup RA, Radolf JD, Norgard
MV. Virulent Treponema pallidum, lipoprotein, and synthetic
lipopeptides induce CCR5 on human monocytes and enhance their
susceptibility to infection by human immunodeficiency virus type 1.  J
Infect Dis. 2000 Jan;181(1):283-93.

Department of Internal Medicine, University of Texas Southwestern
Medical Center, Dallas, Texas, USA.

   Treponema pallidum, its membrane lipoproteins, and synthetic
lipoprotein analogues (lipopeptides) were each examined to determine
whether they induced CCR5 expression on human peripheral blood
mononuclear cells (PBMC). Reverse transcription-polymerase chain
reaction for CCR5 gene transcripts, macrophage inflammatory protein
(MIP)-1beta binding assays, and flow cytometry revealed that either T.
pallidum, a representative treponemal lipoprotein, or a corresponding
synthetic lipopeptide induced CCR5 on CD14 monocytes but not on CD3
lymphocytes. CXCR4, the coreceptor for T cell-tropic strains of human
immunodeficiency virus type 1 (HIV-1), was not induced on PBMC by
treponemes or by lipoproteins or lipopeptides. Consistent with these
findings, T. pallidum, lipoprotein, and synthetic lipopeptide all
promoted the entry of a macrophage-tropic, but not a T cell-tropic,
strain of HIV-1 into monocytes. These combined results imply that T.
pallidum and its constituent lipoproteins likely induce the expression
of CCR5 on macrophages in syphilitic lesions, thereby enhancing
transmission of macrophage-tropic HIV-1.
copi - 24 Oct 2005 01:01 GMT
> These combined results imply that T.
> pallidum and its constituent lipoproteins likely induce the expression
> of CCR5 on macrophages in syphilitic lesions, thereby enhancing
> transmission of macrophage-tropic HIV-1.

Oh...George!
Please dont get confused with this alphanumeric string "HIV-1" in this
complicated text!
This is only a silly game scientists play all the time to confuse
each other. they are only kidding! no problem?

see http://www.colman.net video 3 and 4
GMCarter - 24 Oct 2005 10:28 GMT
>> These combined results imply that T.
>> pallidum and its constituent lipoproteins likely induce the expression
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>This is only a silly game scientists play all the time to confuse
>each other. they are only kidding! no problem?

I see. You post a URL to an abstract that is supposed to support your
very unclear point and then say the AUTHORS were just kidding.

Ah....I think I know who is really kidding.

        George M. Carter
copi - 27 Oct 2005 23:44 GMT
> >>All humans, nearly, express it (with the
> >exception of a tiny fraction delta-32 homozygous individuals).
> >
> >bullshit. only 10 percent of all positives have CCR5P1/P1 doubled.
>
> Ah...so what? CCR5 is not the same as CCR5 P1/P1, which is a variant.

no George, ccr5 p1/p1 is no "variant" of ccr5.

TODAY in our syphilis is aids series:

gallo and his endogenous p24-ccr5-hiv isolates:

"Then they mixed lymphocytes from patients in "high-risk groups" with
exceptionally rapidly dividing leukaemia cells (3,4). This cell mixture
was then subjected to the effects of certain biochemical substances.
They go on to say that "in vitro stimulation was achieved by mitogens
or added cells (allogenic antigens ) ... Certain manipulation of
culture conditions improved the result, for example, co-cultivation of
patients' cells with peripheral white blood cells, which were
stimulated by mitogens, from non-infected donors.

The "virus isolation" of cultured cells was also significantly
facilitated by adding hydrocortisone to the culture medium"

from http://aids-info.net/micha/hiv/aids/kremergalengl.html

because of the cortisone stimulation of gallo

"CCR5 progresses through the endoplasmic reticulum prior to appearing
on the cell surface"

http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/272/49/30603?ijkey=534fcd9c85b3068558799
cb79cbdd394ecb3e633&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha


the only cadidate for surfacing ccr5 receptors on cell walls is p24:

http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content-nw/full/97/8/3783/F2

and
http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/8/3783?ijkey=151f5c1383813764ac27c9d402e
2ce690491fe28&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha


so, we have a HIV-test, which tracks late stage syphilis very good,
but, unfortunately, also tracks healthy individuals,
like magic johnson, christine maggiore and http://www.kimbannon.com
GMCarter - 28 Oct 2005 01:53 GMT
snip...>
>> Ah...so what? CCR5 is not the same as CCR5 P1/P1, which is a variant.
>
>no George, ccr5 p1/p1 is no "variant" of ccr5.

What you write below does not support this statement.

snip
>because of the cortisone stimulation of gallo

What evidence do you have of this?
>"CCR5 progresses through the endoplasmic reticulum prior to appearing
>on the cell surface"

What do you think is the meaning of the expression of CCR5?

>http://www.jbc.org/cgi/content/abstract/272/49/30603?ijkey=534fcd9c85b3068558799
cb79cbdd394ecb3e633&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

The title of which is "Mechanism of Transdominant Inhibition of
CCR5-mediated HIV-1 Infection by ccr5Delta 32" Nothing to do with
syphilis.

Instructive to read the whole article, but here's the abstract:

"Human chemokine receptor 5 (CCR5) functions as a co-receptor for
Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection. CCR5 is a
seven-transmembrane cell surface receptor. Recently, a naturally
occurring mutation of CCR5, ccr5Delta 32, has been described. A small
number of Caucasians are homozygously ccr5Delta 32/ccr5Delta 32, while
a larger number of individuals are heterozygously CCR5/ccr5Delta 32.
The ccr5Delta 32/ccr5Delta 32 genotype has been linked to a phenotype
that is "highly" protected from HIV-1 infection. On the other hand,
several studies have shown that the CCR5/ccr5Delta 32 genotype confers
"relative" protection from AIDS with onset of disease being delayed by
2-4 years. Although it is known that peripheral blood lymphocytes from
heterozygous individuals (CCR5/ccr5Delta 32) support ex vivo HIV-1
replication at a reduced level compared with CCR5/CCR5 cells, the
molecular basis for this observation is unknown. Here we report on
events that post-translationally modify CCR5. We show that CCR5
progresses through the endoplasmic reticulum prior to appearing on the
cell surface. Mature CCR5 can be post-translationally modified by
phosphorylation and/or co-translationally by multimerization. By
contrast, mutant ccr5Delta 32, although retaining the capacity for
multimerization, was incapable of being phosphorylated. ccr5Delta 32
heterocomplexes with CCR5, and this interaction retains CCR5 in the
endoplasmic reticulum resulting in reduced cell surface expression.
Thus, co-expression in cells of ccr5Delta 32 with CCR5 produces a
trans-inhibition by the former of ability by the latter to support
HIV-1 infection. Taken together, our findings suggest CCR5/ccr5Delta
32 heterodimerization as a molecular explanation for the delayed onset
of AIDS in CCR5/ccr5Delta 32 individuals."

>the only cadidate for surfacing ccr5 receptors on cell walls is p24:
>
>http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content-nw/full/97/8/3783/F2

Not sure what p24 is meant to indicate here.

>and
>http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/8/3783?ijkey=151f5c1383813764ac27c9d402e
2ce690491fe28&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

They note: "Thinking about p24 proteins and how transport vesicles
select their cargo"

"The p24 proteins are a conserved family of small integral membrane
proteins found in eukaryotes from yeast to mammals. These proteins
were first identified as abundant constituents of the COPI and COPII
vesicles that operate in the early secretory pathway (10-12). (COPI
vesicles carry proteins between the cisternae of the Golgi complex and
from the Golgi to the ER, whereas COPII vesicles carry proteins from
the ER to the Golgi.)"

As others have pointed out, this is apples and cauliflowers kind of
comparison. Have you done a BLAST search to show they're identical?
Might help your case!

>so, we have a HIV-test, which tracks late stage syphilis very good,

Does it? How so?

>but, unfortunately, also tracks healthy individuals,
>like magic johnson, christine maggiore and http://www.kimbannon.com

Another denialist. Does not support the case that "syphilis=AIDS" that
you attempt to argue.

        George M. Carter
Chris Noble - 28 Oct 2005 02:06 GMT
<snip>

> As others have pointed out, this is apples and cauliflowers kind of
> comparison. Have you done a BLAST search to show they're identical?
> Might help your case!

I have a few hundred CDs.

They all weigh the same therefore they are the same.

There is no possible way to tell them apart.

Chris Noble
copi - 28 Oct 2005 09:23 GMT
> >"CCR5 progresses through the endoplasmic reticulum prior to appearing
> >on the cell surface"
>
> What do you think is the meaning of the expression of CCR5?

here you have it:

"REVERSE TRANSCRIPTION-polymerase chain reaction for CCR5 gene
transcripts ... revealed that either T. pallidum, ... induced CCR5 on
CD14 monocytes"

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/queryd.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=
10608777&dopt=Abstract


> The title of which is "Mechanism of Transdominant Inhibition of
> CCR5-mediated HIV-1 Infection by ccr5Delta 32" Nothing to do with
> syphilis.

T. pallidum has nothing to do with syphilis?

> Instructive to read the whole article, but here's the abstract:
>
> "Human chemokine receptor 5 (CCR5) functions as a co-receptor for
> Human immunodeficiency virus (HIV-1) infection.

this is only current dogma. you dont get your paper published
without this sentence.

"The ccr5Delta 32/ccr5Delta 32 genotype has been linked to a phenotype
that is "highly" protected from HIV-1 infection"

these genotypes never get a positive endogenous gallo-test,
because the original montagnier patients, from where gallo
has stolen his tests, were not of this genotype.

but this genotype doesnt protect from an aids-infection.
patients with this genotype would fight their treponemas
with other chemokines, for example ccr2.

> >the only cadidate for surfacing ccr5 receptors on cell walls is p24:
> >
> >http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content-nw/full/97/8/3783/F2
>
> Not sure what p24 is meant to indicate here.

there you see your "hiv-isolates", all people are hiv-positive,
(see robertogiraldo.com) except of course the double ccr5delta32
genotypes.

> >and
> >http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/8/3783?ijkey=151f5c1383813764ac27c9d402e
2ce690491fe28&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> comparison. Have you done a BLAST search to show they're identical?
> Might help your case!

dear george, you must have some sh.t in your brain!
go blast your sh.t.

> >so, we have a HIV-test, which tracks late stage syphilis very good,
>
> Does it? How so?

patients get vdrl-negative, but stay hiv-positive.
see colman.net video 3 and 4

> >but, unfortunately, also tracks healthy individuals,
> >like magic johnson, christine maggiore and http://www.kimbannon.com
GMCarter - 28 Oct 2005 10:23 GMT
>> >"CCR5 progresses through the endoplasmic reticulum prior to appearing
>> >on the cell surface"
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/queryd.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=
10608777&dopt=Abstract

Not in the slightest. Indeed, they note that "CXCR4, the coreceptor
for T cell-tropic strains of human immunodeficiency virus type 1
(HIV-1), was not induced on PBMC by treponemes or by lipoproteins or
lipopeptides."

R5 may be induced by syphilis which may in turn enhance HIV infection.
But this doesn't make the case for syphilis = AIDS. To the contrary.
It refutes it by noting the fact HIV may also use X4 receptors, which
are generally associated with syncytia-inducing viruses and,
clinically, with more rapid progression.

>> The title of which is "Mechanism of Transdominant Inhibition of
>> CCR5-mediated HIV-1 Infection by ccr5Delta 32" Nothing to do with
>> syphilis.
>
>T. pallidum has nothing to do with syphilis?

Is that what you think?

>> Instructive to read the whole article, but here's the abstract:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> "The ccr5Delta 32/ccr5Delta 32 genotype has been linked to a phenotype
>that is "highly" protected from HIV-1 infection"

I see. So if there is evidence that conflicts with your theory, it is
"dogma"? What? Delta-32 R5 phenotypes, esp. homozygous expression, are
more resistant to HIV infection: you dispute those findings? If so,
why?

That does NOT mean immune to HIV infection.

>these genotypes never get a positive endogenous gallo-test,
>because the original montagnier patients, from where gallo
>has stolen his tests, were not of this genotype.

What????? This is wrong. "Never" is inaccurate.

And what does R5-delta32 have to do with syphilis?

>but this genotype doesnt protect from an aids-infection.
>patients with this genotype would fight their treponemas
>with other chemokines, for example ccr2.

It might. Doesn't mean AIDS=syphilis.

>> >the only cadidate for surfacing ccr5 receptors on cell walls is p24:
>> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>(see robertogiraldo.com) except of course the double ccr5delta32
>genotypes.

Ah--HIV tests aren't for p24 alone, you know?

>> >and
>> >http://www.pnas.org/cgi/content/full/97/8/3783?ijkey=151f5c1383813764ac27c9d402e
2ce690491fe28&keytype2=tf_ipsecsha

[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>dear george, you must have some sh.t in your brain!
>go blast your sh.t.

Wow. OK. That's a brilliant answer. Apparently, either you HAVE done
the search and found nothing or you haven't and you're just lazy. Or
incompetent.

Feh. Troll.

        George M. Carter
copi - 31 Oct 2005 22:00 GMT
GMSpammer wrote:

> >these genotypes never get a positive endogenous gallo-test,
> >because the original montagnier patients, from where gallo
> >has stolen his tests, were not of this genotype.
>
> What?????

Not understanding this simple sentence?
Oh George, you are at great risk of neurosyphilis.

TODAY in our syphilis is aids series

A SPECIAL FEATURE for our censored "AIDS myth exposed" team

What is the pathogenic difference between

(Huw Christie, Pasquarelli, Leroy Whitfield, ...)

and

(Magic Johnson, C. Maggiore, kimbannon.com, ...)????

Syphilis? the answer is yes.

But penicillin would have cured it?

the answer is no. penicillin never cured syphilis.
with syphilis your maximum lifetime is 40.
reinfections do trigger this limit downwards.

but syphilis does not behave like a leftist?
the answer is yes.
GMCarter - 31 Oct 2005 23:41 GMT
>GMSpammer wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>Not understanding this simple sentence?
>Oh George, you are at great risk of neurosyphilis.

Try writing it in your native language.
copi - 01 Nov 2005 00:10 GMT
GMSpammer wrote:

> >GMSpammer wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Try writing it in your native language.

o.k.

kosh kolly gee

> >GMSpammer wrote:
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> >Not understanding this simple sentence?
> >Oh George, you are at great risk of neurosyphilis.

TODAY in our syphilis is aids series

A SPECIAL FEATURE for our censored "AIDS myth exposed" team

What is the pathogenic difference between

(Huw Christie, Pasquarelli, Leroy Whitfield, ...)

and

(Magic Johnson, C. Maggiore, kimbannon.com, ...)????

Syphilis? the answer is yes.

But penicillin would have cured it?

the answer is no. penicillin never cured syphilis.
with syphilis your maximum lifetime is 40.
reinfections do trigger this limit downwards.

but syphilis does not behave like a leftist?
the answer is yes.
GMCarter - 01 Nov 2005 12:34 GMT
snip
>the answer is no. penicillin never cured syphilis.

If English is your native language, I'm worried.

Now--why did you refer me previously to a URL that claimed to have all
the answers and a good treatment--which was penicillin?

>with syphilis your maximum lifetime is 40.

You have no data for this. It is utterly ridiculous.

Sigh. You MUST be a troll.

        George M. Carter
copi - 25 Nov 2005 14:10 GMT
Hi George!

do you like these videos? http://www.colman.net video 3 and 4

TODAY in our AIDS series:

Condoms dont protect from Syphilis-AIDS,
because Syphilis is highly infectious.
GMCarter - 25 Nov 2005 16:25 GMT
>Hi George!
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>Condoms dont protect from Syphilis-AIDS,
>because Syphilis is highly infectious.

Then why isn't there a LOT more cases of AIDS?

And what does that mean? Abandon condoms? Or abandon sex altogether?

I'm sure that would warm the hypocritical frozen cockles of the xtian
taliban!
Death - 25 Nov 2005 17:27 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> Then why isn't there a LOT more cases of AIDS?

Not everyone engages in behavior that spreads aids.
My opinion has not infected anyone with hiv/aids.
Death - 25 Nov 2005 18:46 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> Then why isn't there a LOT more cases of AIDS?

faggotry (causes) aids, the virus is the (result) of that perversion.
Penicillin didn't cause syphilis.
Susie, age 9 - 26 Nov 2005 03:40 GMT
> "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> Then why isn't there a LOT more cases of AIDS?
>>
> faggotry (causes) aids, the virus is the (result) of that perversion.

Since the vast majority of people with AIDS/HIV in the world
are heterosexual, Death remains in denial of the fact that
most of the deadly perversions on the planet are heterosexual
in nature.

That includes wars, abortions and other forms of homicide.

Now who has fewer abortions that homosexuals?

susie
Death - 26 Nov 2005 05:08 GMT
"Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message

> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote in message
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> most of the deadly perversions on the planet are heterosexual
> in nature.

Not when you eliminate the down low niggers from those stats.

> That includes wars, abortions and other forms of homicide.
>
> Now who has fewer abortions that homosexuals?

You abort a turd every time you take a dump.
Talk about dead beat dads.
Susie, age 9 - 26 Nov 2005 22:16 GMT
> "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Not when you eliminate the down low niggers from those stats.

I did, Death.

I'm sure that even YOU could appreciate the low abortion rate among
descendant Africans, or for that matter, trailer court Caucasians.

And WHO started an illegal war in Iraq?

>> That includes wars, abortions and other forms of homicide
Death - 27 Nov 2005 01:20 GMT
"Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message

> And WHO started an illegal war in Iraq?

Yep, it's just like the World Health Org. to pull that faggot stunt.
Over con-dumbs properly.
Susie, age 9 - 28 Nov 2005 15:34 GMT
> "Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
>>
>> And WHO started an illegal war in Iraq?
>>
> Yep, it's just like the World Health Org. to pull that faggot stunt.
> Over con-dumbs properly.

FIAR = condoms for Nepal

(see George M. Carter for details about donating to his
tax-deductible non-profit organization "FIAR")
Death - 28 Nov 2005 17:59 GMT
"Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message

> (see George M. Carter for details about donating to his
> tax-deductible non-profit organization "FIAR")

I wish I made as much money as the non-profit companies
GMCarter - 28 Nov 2005 23:53 GMT
>"Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message
>>
>> (see George M. Carter for details about donating to his
>> tax-deductible non-profit organization "FIAR")
>>
>I wish I made as much money as the non-profit companies

LOL. I guess that's why you spend so much time here...unemployed?
That's probably more lucrative than my income in many areas of the
U.S.

Susie-Frod. Stuff it or you'll work yourself into a tizzy and wind up
violating your parole again.

        George M. Carter
Death - 29 Nov 2005 00:43 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> LOL. I guess that's why you spend so much time here...unemployed?

That is a fact, no one hired me, but people are dying for my services.

>That's probably more lucrative than my income in many areas of the
>U.S.

I hate to hear that, Charon requires coins.
GMCarter - 29 Nov 2005 11:40 GMT
>"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
>
>> LOL. I guess that's why you spend so much time here...unemployed?
>
>That is a fact, no one hired me, but people are dying for my services.

Darling, you are not death. You're just an ordinary fool who will one
day meet his own end...and I wonder if you'll regret all the time you
spent filling your mind with hate?
Death - 29 Nov 2005 14:56 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

>  "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
> >
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> , you are not death. ...

Really !, are you sure ? LOL
Susie, age 9 - 06 Dec 2005 17:29 GMT
> LOL. I guess that's why you spend so much time here...unemployed?

So George now admits he is employed (by inference).

George Mary also admits he is the Director of FIAR.

Therefore, George Mary is employed by FIAR, a non-profit
tax-deductible charity - set up by George Mary FOR George Mary
... and something to do with handing out condoms to
Nepalese sherpas.

susie
GMCarter - 07 Dec 2005 00:36 GMT
>> LOL. I guess that's why you spend so much time here...unemployed?
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>... and something to do with handing out condoms to
>Nepalese sherpas.

First, that's wrong. I do not receive an income from FIAR. I hope to
some day as that will mean it is much better endowed.

Second, we do not supply Nepali sherpas with condoms per se. In fact,
the condom distribution program is primarily targeted to men who have
sex with men. This was the idea of my friend Sunil.

Third, if Sherpas want to use condoms--great! I'd be happy to help
them obtain condoms. Whether for having same or opposite sex
relations.

        George M. Carter
Susie, age 9 - 07 Dec 2005 15:32 GMT
>>> LOL. I guess that's why you spend so much time here...unemployed?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> First, that's wrong. I do not receive an income from FIAR.

I said nothing about you receiving income from FIAR.

> Second, we do not supply Nepali sherpas with condoms per se.
> In fact,  the condom distribution program is primarily targeted to
> men who have sex with men.

Sherpas are men who have sex with men, on occasion. Its lonely
on that Sherpa mountain trail, as you well know.

> This was the idea of my friend Sunil.

Sherpa Sunil.

> Third, if Sherpas want to use condoms--great! I'd be happy to help
> them obtain condoms. Whether for having same or opposite sex
> relations.

Sherpas need condoms mostly to put things in so they stay dry.
Perhaps you need to distribute zip-lock bags instead.

LOL!

sherpa susie
GMCarter - 07 Dec 2005 18:11 GMT
>>>> LOL. I guess that's why you spend so much time here...unemployed?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
>I said nothing about you receiving income from FIAR.

Wow...like "employed" doesn't entail an income? In what odd lexicon?

>> Second, we do not supply Nepali sherpas with condoms per se.
>> In fact,  the condom distribution program is primarily targeted to
>> men who have sex with men.
>
>Sherpas are men who have sex with men, on occasion. Its lonely
>on that Sherpa mountain trail, as you well know.

Sure.

>> This was the idea of my friend Sunil.
>
>Sherpa Sunil.

Nope. Not his family name. There are many different families in Nepal.

>> Third, if Sherpas want to use condoms--great! I'd be happy to help
>> them obtain condoms. Whether for having same or opposite sex
>> relations.
>
>Sherpas need condoms mostly to put things in so they stay dry.

Really. Interesting. I've never heard of condoms being used that way.
Of course, you'll have a reference, no doubt. Please provide it!

>Perhaps you need to distribute zip-lock bags instead.

They have those in Kathmandu. They're not part of HIV prevention
programs.

        George M. Carter
Susie, age 9 - 07 Dec 2005 18:45 GMT
>>Sherpa Sunil.
>
> Nope. Not his family name. There are many different families in Nepal.

Sherpa isn't a family name, you idiot.

For someone who purports to be the Director of a non-profit
tax-deductible charity directed towards the needs of Nepalese,
you obviously don't know sh.t about the culture!

>>Perhaps you need to distribute zip-lock bags instead.
>
> They have those in Kathmandu. They're not part of HIV prevention
> programs.

Well they would be if they put them over their heads!

LOL !

susie
GMCarter - 08 Dec 2005 00:11 GMT
>>>Sherpa Sunil.
>>
>> Nope. Not his family name. There are many different families in Nepal.
>
>Sherpa isn't a family name, you idiot.

You're literalism doesn't merely verge on the idiotic, dear.
Susie, age 9 - 08 Dec 2005 01:54 GMT
>>>>Sherpa Sunil.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> You're literalism doesn't merely verge on the idiotic, dear.

No that would be your ignorance screaming for help.

susie
GMCarter - 08 Dec 2005 12:15 GMT
>> You're literalism doesn't merely verge on the idiotic, dear.
>
>No that would be your ignorance screaming for help.

We all can use help. You even help me. Not with the specifics of
course, but rather with understanding the mind of an angry, hurt sad
person.

Indeed, I could point out that your recent admission that ARV works
for people with AIDS is a sign that you are a "PHARMA SHILL" pushing
drugs on hapless people. And that this makes you anathema to people
like Paul and wilyretrovirus and montygram! Gosh.

It's only returning your own marvelous logic to you.

But that viciousness and ugliness is yours to bear.

        George M. Carter
Susie, age 9 - 08 Dec 2005 20:39 GMT
>>> You're literalism doesn't merely verge on the idiotic, dear.
>>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> course, but rather with understanding the mind of an angry, hurt sad
> person.

And don't forget the true love behind my sad words...

> Indeed, I could point out that your recent admission that ARV works
> for people with AIDS is a sign that you are a "PHARMA SHILL" pushing
> drugs on hapless people. And that this makes you anathema to people
> like Paul and wilyretrovirus and montygram! Gosh.

Anathema aside, I speaketh the truth... shillith or not.

> It's only returning your own marvelous logic to you.

And greedily accepteth.

> But that viciousness and ugliness is yours to bear.

Fa la la la la ... la la la la... don we now our gay apparel....

susie
Gary Stein - 08 Dec 2005 23:13 GMT
>>>> You're literalism doesn't merely verge on the idiotic, dear.
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Anathema aside, I speaketh the truth... shillith or not.

What happened to the 'truth' you used to speak about DNCB?

Gary Stein
Death - 08 Dec 2005 23:17 GMT
"Susie, age 9" <nomail@noway.com> wrote in message

> Fa la la la la ... la la la la... don we now our gay apparel....

Indeed happy clothes are worn at Christmas.
Put on your best dress and shoes.
It is snowing outside, best include pantyhose.
You couldn't pick up a faggot with frozen chestnuts.
GMCarter - 09 Dec 2005 11:36 GMT
>And don't forget the true love behind my sad words...

It is never far from my mind, my poor dear.
Susie, age 9 - 13 Dec 2005 19:49 GMT
>>And don't forget the true love behind my sad words...
>
> It is never far from my mind, my poor dear.

No different than those sherpa-condomizing fantasies
that dance in your little pointy head, sweetie.

susie
copi - 17 Dec 2005 08:14 GMT
http://www.robertbenmitchell.com/books/saa/

One of my favorite AIDS books is Syphilis As Aids by Robert Ben
Mitchell, [out of print, and not on most of the book lists].   Along
with much other vital data, he points out two VERY interesting pieces
of information.  1] If you have PCP pneumonia, YOU HAVE SYPHILIS!  2]
If you have Karposi's Sarcoma, YOU HAVE SYPHILIS!   They are two if the
KEY diagnostic indicators which PROVE the presence of syphilis.   When
did we find this out?  About 1850!  So we've known these facts for 150
years now . . . but we don't talk about them any more.  Why not?  It's
not politicallies co-rectum!  We don't treat dying people for the
syphilis they have, because NOW we have a better idea: we treat them
for a hallucinatory disease they don't have, with a "treatment"
[fatal-in-itself] which guarantees to destroy their immune systems and
let the syphilis doubly kill them, thereby proving the doctor's
sanctimonious pronouncements that they had a "fatal disease."  Isn't
progress wonderful?

Or how about this?  The spongy rotted-out brain condition that used to
be know as "tertiary syphilis" is now referred to as "aids dementia."
Completely unfounded fad propaganda medicine creates wrong diagnosis
which causes wrong treatment and certain death.  Another medical
breakthrough!
GMCarter - 17 Dec 2005 10:16 GMT
Ah--I didn't write any of that.
copi - 18 Dec 2005 18:36 GMT
> Ah--I didn't write any of that.

Ohh, was it from Susie?

http://www.robertbenmitchell.com/books/saa/

"One of my favorite AIDS books is Syphilis As Aids by Robert Ben
Mitchell, [out of print, and not on most of the book lists].   Along
with much other vital data, he points out two VERY interesting pieces
of information.  1] If you have PCP pneumonia, YOU HAVE SYPHILIS!  2]
If you have Karposi's Sarcoma, YOU HAVE SYPHILIS!   They are two if the
KEY diagnostic indicators which PROVE the presence of syphilis.   When
did we find this out?  About 1850!  So we've known these facts for 150
years now . . . but we don't talk about them any more.  Why not?  It's
not politicallies co-rectum!  We don't treat dying people for the
syphilis they have, because NOW we have a better idea: we treat them
for a hallucinatory disease they don't have, with a "treatment"
[fatal-in-itself] which guarantees to destroy their immune systems and
let the syphilis doubly kill them, thereby proving the doctor's
sanctimonious pronouncements that they had a "fatal disease."  Isn't
progress wonderful?

Or how about this?  The spongy rotted-out brain condition that used to
be know as "tertiary syphilis" is now referred to as "aids dementia."
Completely unfounded fad propaganda medicine creates wrong diagnosis
which causes wrong treatment and certain death.  Another medical
breakthrough! "
GMCarter - 18 Dec 2005 20:02 GMT
>> Ah--I didn't write any of that.
>
>Ohh, was it from Susie?

Does it matter? Fred spouts about as much crap as you do.
copi - 22 Dec 2005 01:52 GMT
> >> Ah--I didn't write any of that.
> >
> >Ohh, was it from Susie?
>
> Does it matter? Fred spouts about as much crap as you do.

spouts with the mouth? treponema denticola?
copi - 27 Dec 2005 20:35 GMT
> > >> Ah--I didn't write any of that.
> > >
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> spouts with the mouth? treponema denticola?

http://www.actionlyme.org/ and

http://autoimmunityresearch.org/trevor-30th.ram
copi - 11 Jan 2006 22:13 GMT
spirochete science is free of HIV-science-Madness:

> http://www.actionlyme.org/

or

> http://autoimmunityresearch.org/trevor-30th.ram

where Dr. Marshall shows the Th1/Th2 shift
(because of your syphilis cysts, or toxins)
copi - 10 Dec 2005 01:40 GMT
> Third, if Sherpas want to use condoms--great!

dangerous!  second stage aids spreads through the mouth.

TODAY in our SYPHILIS is AIDS series

1. The hiv-test is the best test to detect latent syphilis

2. the sensitivity of the hiv-test was also triggered to detect iv drug
use;
the gallo freaks feared robbing junkies.
(sharing needle theory is a myth-sh.t)

3. everybody reacts positive with undiluted blood.

Thank you all for keeping my thread running!
copi - 13 Dec 2005 22:43 GMT
"GMCarter" <f...@verizon.net> wrote in message

news:f0rip15mp4oebpumrnu2etu95f08obnqdr@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 15:39:52 -0500, "Susie, age 9" <nom...@noway.com>
> wrote:

>>And don't forget the true love behind my sad words...

> It is never far from my mind, my poor dear.

No different than those sherpa-condomizing fantasies
that dance in your little pointy head, sweetie.

susie
copi - 14 Dec 2005 17:26 GMT
Susie, you are minimum 10!

AIDS solved - Syphilis living in white blood cells resists treatment
copi - 06 Dec 2005 20:35 GMT
> >Hi George!
> >
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Then why isn't there a LOT more cases of AIDS?

the second wave after the 80s is coming.
wait some time.
Brian Mailman - 17 Oct 2005 18:10 GMT
>>we know, ccr5 is a treponema lipoprotein,
>
> What??? Who knows that??

"tall and tan and young and lovely, the girl from Treponema goes walking..."

B/

> CCR5 is a chemokine receptor. All humans, nearly, express it (with the
> exception of a tiny fraction delta-32 homozygous individuals).
[quoted text clipped - 219 lines]
>
> Carlton
GMCarter - 17 Oct 2005 23:13 GMT
>>>we know, ccr5 is a treponema lipoprotein,
>>
>> What??? Who knows that??
>
>"tall and tan and young and lovely, the girl from Treponema goes walking..."

More "corkscrewing" along....
Chris Noble - 07 Oct 2005 05:07 GMT
No.
Hulda Clark has already solved AIDS.
http://www.drclark.net/hiv/hiv_start.htm

Chris Noble
copi - 08 Oct 2005 18:38 GMT
> No.
> Hulda Clark has already solved AIDS.
> http://www.drclark.net/hiv/hiv_start.htm
>
> Chris Noble

good joke. dont wanna talk about syphilis?
wanna talk about the quantitative hiv-goldstandard-p24-test,
about the many p24s from the human golgi apparatus in liver cells?

Belden, W.J., and C. Barlowe. 1996. Erv25p, a component of COPII-coated
vesicles,
forms a complex with Emp24p that is required for efficient endoplasmic
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Belden, W.J.u.B., C. 2001. Distinct Roles for the Cytoplasmic Tail
Sequences of
Emp24p and Erv25p in Transport between the Endoplasmatic Reticulum and
Golgi Complex. JBC. in press.

Blum, R., P. Feick, M. Puype, J. Vandekerckhove, R. Klengel, W.
Nastainczyk, and I.
Schulz. 1996. Tmp21 and p24A, two type I proteins enriched in
pancreatic
microsomal membranes, are members of a protein family involved in
vesicular
trafficking. J Biol Chem. 271:17183-17189.

Blum, R., F. Pfeiffer, P. Feick, W. Nastainczyk, B. Kohler, K.H.
Schafer, and I.
Schulz. 1999. Intracellular localization and in vivo trafficking of
p24A and
p23. J Cell Sci. 112:537-548.

Denzel, A., F. Otto, A. Girod, R. Pepperkok, R. Watson, I. Rosewell,
J.J. Bergeron,
R.C. Solari, and M.J. Owen. 2000. The p24 family member p23 is required
for
early embryonic development. Curr Biol. 10:55-58.

Dominguez, M., K. Dejgaard, J. Fullekrug, S. Dahan, A. Fazel, J.P.
Paccaud, D.Y.
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family members of the cis-Golgi network bind both COP I and II
coatomer. J
Cell Biol. 140:751-65.

Emery, G., Grünberg, J. und Rojo, M. 1999. The p24 family of
transmembrane
proteins at the interface between endoplasmatic reticulum and Golgi
apparatus. Protoplasma. 207:24-30.

Emery, G., M. Rojo, and J. Gruenberg. 2000. Coupled transport of p24
family
members. J Cell Sci. 113:2507-2516.

Fiedler, K., M. Veit, M.A. Stamnes, and J.E. Rothman. 1996. Bimodal
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Nilsson. 1999.
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copi - 11 Oct 2005 11:08 GMT
online book "Syphilis as AIDS"

http://www.robertbenmitchell.com/books/saa/
copi - 12 Oct 2005 13:17 GMT
Nietzsche and AIDS

http://www.amacad.org/publications/fall2004/margulis.pdf

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