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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / October 2005Good News!
Article from the BBC about how HIV is weakening! Here's the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4290300.stm >Article from the BBC about how HIV is weakening! > >Here's the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4290300.stm Yes! This is somewhat to be expected. A lot of infectious diseases that are introduced into a population start out being really lethal and slowly attenuate over time. The problem remains--as the article asserts--that HIV exists and causes AIDS, even in this modestly attenuated state. The article, of course, does not dispute and indeed merely affirms that HIV exists and causes AIDS. George M. Carter One only has to look at the example of how SIVs became "harmless" within African primate populations, but are still currently lethal to Asian primates who have not had the same generational adaptive evolutionary opportunities. Given time, all deadly pathogens become less virulent - it makes little sense to rapidly kill one's host, and therefore one's dissemination vehicle. We can all agree good news!! The mainstreams have a plausible theory and the dissidents see it as a good sign of creative backpedaling because of the theories failing predictions. Bottom line remains Good News!! >theories failing predictions ??? You are trying to imply that there is some orthodox theory in existence that HIV will become MORE virulent over time?? Evidence please? Are you perchance confusing this with the "theory" that HIV will spread? You are trying to imply that there is some orthodox theory in existence that HIV will become MORE virulent over time?? Evidence please? Are you perchance confusing this with the "theory" that HIV will spread? Well spreading and being the heteralsexual plague in the United States as well as the Super Strains seem to be not making themselves known in any real way. I really resented the "Super Strain" because they used to tell me I needed to where a condom with my HIV+ WIFE or we were going to let super HIV into the world. I assume these are well known facts and I do not have to google them up Because a pathogen develops drug resistance and is sometimes labelled by the media as a "super strain" it does not mean that it is more virulent or more lethal. So MRSA for example is a "super strain" because it is more resistant to antibiotics used to treat staph infection, and not because it has some innate super powers. Similarly with HIV. No-one has ever suggested HIV was becoming more virulent, so your assumptions were incorrect. Perhaps you should google more, and not base your ideas on what you assume are well-known "facts". Good God David you nitpick the silliest fricking things. I have faced Doctors telling me I was going to die of AIDS for 15 years so I listened when the social workers and Doctors told me 1. The drugs were the only thing keeping AIDS at bay 2. Having unprotected sex with my wife carried the chance of passing/creating drug resistant HIV Add #1 and #2 together and get a clue, whether you want to call it drug resistance or more virulent they have both failed to make me dead >Good God David you nitpick the silliest fricking things. > I have faced Doctors telling me I was going to die of AIDS for 15 years [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Add #1 and #2 together and get a clue, whether you want to call it drug >resistance or more virulent they have both failed to make me dead Patience, dear. You'll get there. Presuming you've been truthful here and I'll accept that you have. And you probably have infected your wife and shortened her lifespan considerably. That's not merely my "opinion" but harsh cold reality. George M. Carter "Patience, dear. You'll get there. Presuming you've been truthful here and I'll accept that you have. And you probably have infected your wife and shortened her lifespan considerably. That's not merely my 'opinion' but harsh cold reality." If the Grim Reaper ever retires, George, you should automatically be appointed as his replacement. No application required. They'll just need to check on your work experience and I am sure this forum will do nicely. >If the Grim Reaper ever retires, George, you should automatically be >appointed as his replacement. No application required. They'll just need >to check on your work experience and I am sure this forum will do nicely. Darling, dearest, are you IMMORTAL?? Heavens to murgatroid, do tell us your SECRET! "Darling, dearest, are you IMMORTAL?? Heavens to murgatroid, do tell us your SECRET!" You will note that post made no claim for immortality on my part, it merely pointed out how anxious you are to tell everyone that they're going to die... And I think you'd look really smashing in the cloak, too. >"Darling, dearest, are you IMMORTAL?? Heavens to murgatroid, do tell us >your SECRET!" > >You will note that post made no claim for immortality on my part, it >merely pointed out how anxious you are to tell everyone that they're going >to die... AU contraire--I'm telling people that if they buy your brand of bullshit and they have HIV, they will probably die sooner than need be. This has happened time and time and time again. And you're probably next on the list. By contrast, getting real with it and fighting the disease and the horrible social inequities that AIDS highlights can help one to live a longer, more constructive life. THAT I encourage. This denialist bullshit is an horrific deflection. And it will most likely kill you. THAT'S WHAT TERRIFIES YOU. As it no doubt should. >And I think you'd look really smashing in the cloak, too. I probably would. George M. Carter AU contraire--I'm telling people that if they buy your brand of bullshit and they have HIV, they will probably die sooner than need be. This has happened time and time and time again. And you're probably next on the list. >And I think you'd look really smashing in the cloak, too. I probably would. George M. Carter >AU contraire--I'm telling people that if they buy your brand of bullshit >and they have HIV, they will probably die sooner than need be. Tell that to David Pasquarelli. Or Christine's daughter. Tell that to David Pasquarelli. ***Or Christine's daughter.*** What kind of person are you? I am leaning toward Ghoul, please prove me wrong >Tell that to David Pasquarelli. ***Or Christine's daughter.*** > > What kind of person are you? I am leaning toward Ghoul, please prove >me wrong Darling, denialism=death. Christine denied, her daughter died. David denied, he died. That's just the reality. We all die. I think it is horrible that Christine was convinced by so-called "dissidents" to believe a lie. I don't think she is a horrible person--to the contrary, just one horribly duped. By scumbags, rogues and fools like Duesberg and jackasses like Iconoclusterfuck. George M. Carter Chris are you a MD? I'm asking because you like to propose theory as fact and that’s a Dr's trait So sorry both me and my wife are still alive & well having both been "Pronounced" AIDS that’s right AIDS not HIV over 10 years ago I doubt my perfect 5 month old daughter thinks much about the whole HIV Test/AIDS watchyaMcCallit either. So sorry we being alive and well makes your little theory look bad but again this is my story and you did get really mean > Because a pathogen develops drug resistance and is sometimes labelled > by the media as a "super strain" it does not mean that it is more > virulent or more lethal. So MRSA for example is a "super strain" > because it is more resistant to antibiotics used to treat staph > infection, and not because it has some innate super powers. Similarly > with HIV. ". Misconceptions about evolution seem to be common among dissidents even ones like Duesberg and Bialy who should know better. http://www.deanesmay.com/posts/1127916190.shtml#43796 In a virus that has a small transmission rate virulence is not necessarily an evoultionary advantage. If the virus kills the host before it can be transmitted to another host it will obviously not survive. It is entirely predicted that HIV will develop less virulent strains in the general population. The same is not necessarily true for sub-populations that have high-risk behaviour with multiple partners. Rapid passage between multiple hosts could potentially favour more virulent strains as long as the patient infects one or more other people before he/she develops AIDS and dies. Chris Noble Shouldn't everyone better prove the first strain before reaching out to prove more? Really guys 110bn and 20+ years there shouldn't be grounds to question EVERYTHING about this theory. Even those that don't believe in Chemo can at least see cancer in there body and how it hurts them. There is so dammed many holes in the HIV/AIDS theory no wonder you all get pissed off when questioned. It's a very difficult place to defend without ANY solid ground. I do believe that the great majority of MD’s, scientists, and care givers out there believe they are doing the right thing. I follow the cha $$ ching to see the real bad guys > Shouldn't everyone better prove the first strain before reaching out to > prove more? Shouldn't they prove the earth is spherical before they attempt to send a man to the moon? (The first photos were obvious fakes. No man has ever been to the moon) Chris Noble (The first photos were obvious fakes. No man has ever been to the moon) Chris Noble Well the HIV photos the press spoon fed us sure were fake bah ha ha ha Was that a Freudian slip there Chris? > (The first photos were obvious fakes. No man has ever been to the moon) > > Chris Noble > > Well the HIV photos the press spoon fed us sure were fake bah ha ha ha > Was that a Freudian slip there Chris? No. It was irony. http://www.ews.uiuc.edu/%7Eakapadia/moon.html There are several EMs of HIV in this review. Which ones are fake? Howw do you tell the difference between faked EMs and nonfake EMs? http://hiv-web.lanl.gov/content/hiv-db/COMPENDIUM/1997/partIII/Gelderblom.pdf Chris Noble > Article from the BBC about how HIV is weakening! > > Here's the link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4290300.stm I guess after two decades, HIV has become too pooped to party. :-/ Alex |
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