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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / October 2005Wheel chair
Friends, About a week ago I sent my first message to this forum (why did I have to get into this) and to become a littlebit more informed on what's really going on here and who is who, I force myself to read some more of the messages. Once again, I don't want to get in a technical discussion, but maybe someone can just explain to me in simple words how I should read the following news: >>> Nunavut health officials have begun a territory-wide search for people >>> infected with a rare cancer-causing blood virus after discovering an >>> outbreak of HTLV-1. "Nobody knows" how widespread the infection is, >>> said Isaac Sobol, Nunavut's chief medical officer of health. So far, >>> fewer than 20 people have tested positive, he added. HTLV-1 is a >>> retrovirus in the same family as HIV. Most people infected with it >>> show no symptoms, said Dr. Sobol. But for about 5 per cent of those >>> infected, the virus can cause degenerative nerve disease leading to >>> loss of control of the legs, and bladder or leukemia and non-Hodgkin's >>> lymphoma.<<< 5 percent of 20 people = 1 person 1) How come anybody can say anything about what this virus might lead to ? 2) This 1 unlucky person, does he go to hospital in a wheel chair to get his chemo treatments ? Take care all of you, Greetings from Charles Hoy & Joan of Arc "jean013" <jean013@wanadoo.fr> wrote... > Friends, > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > 2) This 1 unlucky person, does he go to hospital in a wheel chair to get > his chemo treatments ? And who cares what it might lead to? I imagine it will follow the path of HIV, where all new infections are celebrated as some sort of cultural diversity, even causing special civil rights to be granted to the infected. And of course I warned about this some time ago, that it didn't matter if a cure were found for HIV, that gays would find some new exotic virus to spread, and that sticking penguins up one's a.s might become the latest rage and a formerly unheard-of penguin virus would break out and infect the gay community. But I don't think most Eskimos (oooh, excuuuse me, "Nunavuts") are gay, so I'm not sure how they contracted this retrovirus. Oh wait, penguins live at the South Pole, so this virus might be associated with walruses, though I'm not sure how you would stick a walrus up your a.s... --------------------------------------------------------------------- "There is no truth. You just pick the lie you like best. As long as you know everything's a lie, you can't hurt yourself." -- Marilyn Manson --------------------------------------------------------------------- "And of course I warned about this some time ago, that it didn't matter if a cure were found for HIV, that gays would find some new exotic virus to spread..." My, my Mr. Slippy Fist, it would seem that you're a bigot. Perhaps you'd like to go out later with your buddies for an enjoyable evening of gay bashing! And you could top it off by tying the "little faggot" to a fence post and leaving him for dead. Won't that be fun? And I'll see your true colors Shining through I see your true colors And that's why I love you So don't be afraid to let them show Your true colors True colors are beautiful, Like a rainbow... "pauleewhiting" <pauleewhiting@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote... > "And of course I warned about this some time ago, that it didn't matter if > a cure were found for HIV, that gays would find some new exotic virus to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Perhaps you'd like to go out later with your buddies for an enjoyable > evening of gay bashing! I don't expect you to recognize me since I rotate aliases (hint: the last month or two I've been characters from South Park). But news flash, I am the resident gay-bashing faggot, or rather I bash those who spread HIV and all the politically-correct propaganda in the world doesn't change the fact that most gays have HIV (except for me of course). Maybe I should have used gerbils as an example, since that is a well-known practice among gays (or it used to be, but the slur "gerbil-stuffer" still exists). Trust me, I've seen more gay porn than you could EVER imagine, and I've seen the performers sticking everything from beer bottles to baseball bats up their a.ses, so it doesn't take a stretch of the imagination to think that penguins might become an object of choice. And of course there was that news story posted not too long ago about the gay man who died after letting a horse f.ck him and it ruptured his colon. Or we could just stick to gerbils, since rodents carry Hantavirus and even Bubonic Plague, it would be no surprise to see those diseases break out among the gay community. > And you could top it off by tying the "little faggot" to a fence post and > leaving him for dead. > > Won't that be fun? Y'know, without condoning that incident, I had read that tests showed he was HIV+. It sounds extremely cruel to suggest, but perhaps the guys who killed him did society a favor; if he was HIV+, then killing him meant that hundreds or even thousands of others were spared infection. Same with Versace, killed by fellow homosexual Andrew Cunanan, it turns out Versace was also HIV+ and was renowned among the gay community for his wild orgies, so his murder also spared hundreds or thousands of cute young boytoys from being infected (though I'll admit they would easily have contracted from someone else). -------------------------------------------------------------------- "A lot of people don't want to look into what [Charles Manson] had to say, because of what he did, but I think it's important to point out that what he did is really no different than what my father did in Vietnam - my father killed people, he didn't believe in it. Charles Manson killed people, he at least believed in it - that he had a reason for it. Neither one is right or wrong, it just is. Killing is killing, there's no difference. Society makes one person a hero and another person a criminal, it's just a popularity contest. Morality is decided by the man with the most artillery." -- Marilyn Manson -------------------------------------------------------------------- "It sounds extremely cruel to suggest, but perhaps the guys who killed him did society a favor; if he was HIV+, then killing him meant that hundreds or even thousands of others were spared infection. Same with Versace, killed by fellow homosexual Andrew Cunanan, it turns out Versace was also HIV+ and was renowned among the gay community for his wild orgies, so his murder also spared hundreds or thousands of cute young boytoys from being infected (though I'll admit they would easily have contracted from someone else)." WOW! Why stop there? Why not just suggest all homosexuals should be put in concentration camps and then gassed to death. Afterward, just toss them all into the Easy Bake Oven until they're "done." Tell me something, Mr. Slippy, do you think Hitler had some "good ideas"? "pauleewhiting" <pauleewhiting@nospam.hotmail.com> wrote... > "It sounds extremely cruel to suggest, but perhaps the guys who killed him > did society a favor; if he was HIV+, then killing him meant that hundreds [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Tell me something, Mr. Slippy, do you think Hitler had some "good ideas"? Well, I think Hitler was a firm believer in always wearing clean underwear. But Godwin's Law has been violated, therefore you lose the debate. And I think my earlier reply had included a part where I said I was anti-people- who-spread-HIV, your assumption that this means I am anti-gay would seem to be an admission on your part that gays make up the majority of that group. I probably should have found some heterosexual examples to include with Matthew Shepard and Versace, offhand I can remember NuShaun Williams who infected dozens of women with HIV, and of course Magic Johnson who claims he caught it from promiscuous heterosexual intercourse, therefore he almost certainly infected dozens, hundreds, or thousands of women. And yes, if our society finally decides to gas everyone with HIV, it should include heterosexuals as well as homosexuals and of course IV drug users of any sexual orientation and that crazy dude who spit on and bit people in an attempt to transmit the virus. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "We applaud the creation of a bomb whose sole purpose is to destroy all of mankind, and we grow up watching our president's brains splattered all over Texas. Times have not become more violent. They have just become more televised." -- Marilyn Manson ----------------------------------------------------------------------- "And yes, if our society finally decides to gas everyone with HIV, it should include heterosexuals as well as homosexuals and of course IV drug users of any sexual orientation and that crazy dude who spit on and bit people in an attempt to transmit the virus." Have you ever thought of going into politics? "And of course I warned about this some time ago, that it didn't matter if a cure were found for HIV, that gays would find some new exotic virus to spread..." My, my, Mr. Slippy Fist, it would seem that you're a bigot. Perhaps you'd like to go out later with your buddies for an enjoyable evening of gay bashing! And you could top it off by tying "the little faggot" to a fence post and leaving him for dead. Won't that be fun? And I'll see your true colors Shining through I see your true colors And that's why I love you So don't be afraid to let them show Your true colors True colors are beautiful, Like a rainbow... They are not saying that one of the "20" will be paralysed. They are commenting on the known sequelae of infection with the virus, which in about 5% of cases can lead to this. It can also lead to leukaemias and lymphoma. You can treat these with standard chemotherapy, but there is no treatment for HTLV-1 at present. Try this link for more info: http://www.bchealthguide.org/healthfiles/hfile34.stm#E46E316 http://www.thedoctorsdoctor.com/diseases/htlv1.htm Side comment: Lymphomas and leukaemias are treatable illnesses, but not always curable, and even then, there is a small chance of relapse. The drugs used to treat these conditions are quite toxic, in fact much more toxic than the drug combos used to treat HIV. There does not seem to be a ground swell of dissidence against evil killer chemotherapy drugs - I wonder why not? "There does not seem to be a ground swell of dissidence against evil killer chemotherapy drugs - I wonder why not?" Be patient, David. We need to take this one paradigm at a time... >We need to take this one paradigm at a time... and return the world to the dark age no doubt Friends, (Well, I figure I'll never sleep again. Why did I come to speak out on this forum?) David, thanks for your answer to my question about the new virus. I thought the new virus they found actually was HTLV-1 so I figured that just one case was not much of a database to rely upon (please don't laugh; I'm not into this and I don't have a lot of technical know-how...). I went through the two links you refer to. www.doctorsdoctor.com is definitely humbug to me but while reading (or maybe I should write: "while trying to read"; not because it's so complicated but more because it's so annoying) I found myself wondering: "Were does the patient enter the scene? I don't feel like a bunch of congregated cells and chemical reactions solely". Maybe that's the problem with people around here. People seem to be exclusively interested in staring through a microscope and whatever else you can do in a lab and anywhere I look I see people having a fight over the idea whether a virus exists or not. Running around in very narrow circles I'd call it. For instance, why don't you relax for a minute, lean back an ask yourself a silly question like: "Were would I be if they, the -denialists-, were right ?" I think that being too tight will invariably backfire one day and I'm sorry to say this but since I started to concentrate on this message board, it seems to me that I'm drifting away from what most people say on this forum, no matter which side he's on. The best example I can think of right now are the messages of Gary Stein. In my eyes he does more harm to regular science than all the denialists together. For instance, I cannot see the merit of calling the other party >>> .....someone who has no "fundamentals" backing up his statements ..... doing >>> ....nothing but post ill informed personal opinions on the topic.... and >>> ...exhibit a fundamental lack of background or understanding of the >>> topic. The other link to www.bchealthguide.org is more readable but it's stronger than me, I fall asleep after a few paragraphs. Right in the beginning I read: >>> Is this a new disease? No. We've known about this disease for some >>> time (first described in 1980). It has been identified throughout the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> carrying the virus do not get symptoms or develop any health problems >>> from this virus.<<< I think that I am still an innocent reader but I must admit that innocence seems to start running thin since the day I posted my first message on this board. What the heck are they talking about ? !!!! First described in 1980 but you might not get sick until several decades after being infected. !!!! This is ridiculous. We're only in 2005 so where's the wizard who can show me reliable statistics about several decades after 1980 ? And even: the idea of a virus that makes one sick twenty years after infection, I don't know, but I'd say you definitely seem to forget something if you think that that virus is the only cause of the disease. It's stronger than I am. When I read this kind of information I feel all my interest fading away within seconds. I read something this morning while giving it a try on the virusmyth site: >>> "The basis of denial is a need to escape something that is terribly >>> uncomfortable," says Boston College psychology professor Joseph Tecce, >>> who has studied Holocaust deniers and AIDS dissenters. "If something >>> is horrific, I might want to pretend it doesn't exist."<<< I fully agree with that. BUT..... Since a couple of days I can also see it the other way around: (Jan, thank you for the very original story where naive Henry Sillian meets lovely Jane!!) and I can easily rewrite the above statements: >>> "The basis of AIDS science might be a need to invent something that is >>> terribly uncomfortable," say unknown and totally insignificant Charles >>> Hoy and Joan of Arc, who recently got stuck on an Internet discussion >>> board on AIDS. "If there's money in it or any other benefit, we might >>> want to imagine horrific things that don't exist."<<< Take good care, all of you. Very tired Charles Hoy & Joan of Arc > Friends, > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >>>> ...exhibit a fundamental lack of background or understanding of the >>>> topic. Do you honestly believe that Iconclaster has done anything other then what you quote me above as saying? Or is it your argument that treating rudeness with rudeness is counter productive? If it is the second than yes I see your point. In my own defense after a decade here on MHA I have very little patience left for denialists such as iconclaster who have no intention to actually engage in scientific discussions about the data relating to the HIV=AID's theory. They are obvious in that they are the type of MHA poster who never replies to data other then with personal opinions or the argument of authority, or red herring arguments or claiming that data is not important because the lay person can not understand it. Gary Stein > Or is it your argument that treating rudeness > with rudeness is counter productive? That's exactly my argument ! because the lay person can not understand it. Gary Stein After 20+ years and 110bn "YOU" should understand it well enough to explain it to "US" It really is like shooting fish in a barrel around here "'The basis of AIDS science might be a need to invent something that is terribly uncomfortable,' say unknown and totally insignificant Charles Hoy and Joan of Arc, who recently got stuck on an Internet discussion board on AIDS. 'If there's money in it or any other benefit, we might want to imagine horrific things that don't exist.'" Dearest Charles & Joan, You now understand the entire basis for the HIV theory of AIDS. Yours truly, -Paul Whiting |
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