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David Canzi -- non-mailable - 02 Oct 2005 09:13 GMT

(Quick summary: misc.health.aids can't be destroyed. You can only
make it unusable by its intended community of users by a continuing
effort. We get it back when you stop.)

This forum, misc.health.aids, is part of USENET. USENET has existed
for over 25 years, has been abused heavily during that time, and has
developed defenses against abuse.

It used to be possible for the sender of an article to cancel it --
remove it from all news servers by sending out a cancel message.
This capability was abused by people using forged cancel messages to
remove other people's articles. Over time, most news servers were
modified to ignore cancel messages. Articles can't be removed.
misc.health.aids can't be censored.

A newsgroup can be removed by a rmgroup message. misc.health.aids
can only be removed by a cryptographically signed rmgroup message.
Newsgroups in the Big 8 distribution -- to which misc.health.aids
belongs -- are only removed due to lack of use. misc.health.aids is
not going to go away.

Attempts to flood a newsgroup using automated posting software are
usually defeated automatically by either specific defenses against
flooding attacks or as a side effect of defenses against spam.
Those that aren't are dealt with by complaints to the abuser's provider
and complaints to the operator of the abused news server. If these
fail, complaints go to the operators of the news servers that accept
articles from the abused news server. Abusers lose their accounts.
News servers that are abused chronically lose their peers.

You can't remove our articles. We can't remove yours. You can't
destroy misc.health.aids. You can flood it by hand with contrarian
articles, but that only makes it temporarily unusable by its
inteneded community of users. We get it back when you stop. To keep
misc.health.aids unusable, you would have to keep flooding it for
the rest of your lives.

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David Canzi "I am not denying anything." -- Celia Farber

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Brian Mailman - 02 Oct 2005 16:52 GMT

> A newsgroup can be removed by a rmgroup message.

rmgroups are only advisory, by the sender. It's up to the admin of any
one news server whether or not to honor them. misc.* is part of of a
set of newsgroups called The Big 8, and only rmgroups sent by the
moderators of news.announce.newgroups are honored, if even then. They
(the nan-o-mods) do send out a set of 'checkgroups' on occasion for news
servers to sync with for all the legit Big 8 groups, but some servers
don't run them.

I believe the problem being described is that these days many newsgroups
are gated to ether mailing lists or web fora and all that needs be done
is the owners of such to take down the mailing list and/or web site,
thus giving the *appearance* of the group disappearing. However, it's
News, not Mail or Web and has an entirely different set of transport and
distribution protocols.

B/

B/

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pauleewhiting - 02 Oct 2005 21:27 GMT

"You can't remove our articles. We can't remove yours. You can't destroy
misc.health.aids. You can flood it by hand with contrarian articles, but
that only makes it temporarily unusable by its inteneded community of
users. We get it back when you stop. To keep misc.health.aids unusable,
you would have to keep flooding it for the rest of your lives."

Dearest David,

Thank you for the invitation to stay for as long as we’d like! We
graciously accept your hospitality and look forward to many long, and
enjoyable, conversations.

Very truly yours,

-Paul Whiting

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robinhvd - 03 Oct 2005 05:09 GMT

Well said Paul. I would add that I look forward to talking to others
diagnosed as HIV+ on the variety of approaches possible beyond
pharmaceutical cocktails. I for one have decided I will not risk liver
failure and other side effects of antivirals. I refuse both viral load and
CD$ counts. I remain alive and well. I actually resent that the orthodoxy
has consistently silenced and trashed HIV+ dissidents, but I will remain
polite and try not to act up.

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Fondoo - 03 Oct 2005 07:46 GMT

I was diagnosed AIDS (189 T-Cells) 12 years ago.I do not believe there is
a virus eating away at me when the only times I felt sick were from AIDS
chemotherapy and listening to my doctor talk about lab results

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GMCarter - 03 Oct 2005 12:58 GMT

> I was diagnosed AIDS (189 T-Cells) 12 years ago.I do not believe there is
>a virus eating away at me when the only times I felt sick were from AIDS
>chemotherapy and listening to my doctor talk about lab results

This may be true. Or it may not.

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Gary Stein - 03 Oct 2005 18:46 GMT

> I was diagnosed AIDS (189 T-Cells) 12 years ago.I do not believe there is
> a virus eating away at me when the only times I felt sick were from AIDS
> chemotherapy and listening to my doctor talk about lab results

Are you still taking ARV? If so why if not why not?

Gary Stein

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Brian Mailman - 03 Oct 2005 21:45 GMT

> Well said Paul. I would add that I look forward to talking to others
> diagnosed as HIV+ on the variety of approaches possible beyond
> pharmaceutical cocktails. I for one have decided I will not risk liver
> failure and other side effects of antivirals. I refuse both viral load and
> CD$ counts. I remain alive and well. I actually resent that the orthodoxy
> has consistently silenced and trashed HIV+ dissidents,

No one has 'silenced' you. In fact, you're perfectly welcome to come
back in 5 years and tell us how you're doing.

B/

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