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GMCarter - 30 Sep 2005 15:03 GMT
Funny how when the questions get hot, all of a sudden, AZTMurder,
Susie and Lorenzo vomit all vanish at the same time!

What is Frodlet Show hiding?

Why won't he sign his name to his myriad sock puppets?

Why does he talk to himself in a pathetic attempt to make it sound
like separate individuals?

Has he taken a bath in DNCB yet?

Does he still think DNCB is the CURE FOR AIDS?

Does he now think HIV doesn't exist or is harmless?

Does he also claim that ARV should never be used?

Why does he evade these questions?

WHAT IS HE SO TERRIFIED ABOUT????
Fondoo - 30 Sep 2005 17:31 GMT
 What is this show? I have never heard of the man or his socks.
  If in fact this man believes HIV to be harmless what of it? More and
more people are starting to wonder after over 110 billion why nobody knows
how HIV can kill a single cell much less the whole person or why a person
dying of AIDS has no more detectable virus than a healthy HIV+ the amout
being 1 to every 1000 T-cells (that is does not kill)
 
Brian Mailman - 30 Sep 2005 18:16 GMT
> Has he taken a bath in DNCB yet?
>
> Does he still think DNCB is the CURE FOR AIDS?

Say, that reminds me.  I was coming back from the Oakland Hills
moderately late a few nights ago and ran into Billi Goldberg on the
train/bus.  At least she tried to provide properly cited data and would
argue the facts as she sees them.

B/
Iconoclaster - 30 Sep 2005 23:31 GMT
How come every time someone asks Mr. Carter a serious question, you always
get underfoot, Mr. Mailman?
Brian Mailman - 01 Oct 2005 00:58 GMT
> How come every time someone asks Mr. Carter a serious question, you always
> get underfoot, Mr. Mailman?

Because it's a public group, Dr. Mengele.

B/
GMCarter - 01 Oct 2005 12:35 GMT
>> Has he taken a bath in DNCB yet?
>>
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>train/bus.  At least she tried to provide properly cited data and would
>argue the facts as she sees them.

Yep and she was pretty smart too. I'm glad to hear she is still about.
I wonder what she thinks about DNCB/CMI/Th1 etc. these days??

        George M. Carter
Brian Mailman - 01 Oct 2005 18:29 GMT
>>> Has he taken a bath in DNCB yet?
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Yep and she was pretty smart too. I'm glad to hear she is still about.
> I wonder what she thinks about DNCB/CMI/Th1 etc. these days??

Except that it was late, after a long day and I was tuckered out, plus
she looked like she wanted to be left alone (actually, as does everyone
on MUNI at that hour) I would have struck up a conversation.  I imagine
you can google her addy from the defunct sci.med.aids and ask?

B/
GMCarter - 01 Oct 2005 22:55 GMT
>Except that it was late, after a long day and I was tuckered out, plus
>she looked like she wanted to be left alone (actually, as does everyone
>on MUNI at that hour) I would have struck up a conversation.  I imagine
>you can google her addy from the defunct sci.med.aids and ask?

Mass transit....such a lovely experience always. Today was a lovely
test of patience with the MTA and construction, service screw ups and
the like.

Well, I shall simply leave it to synchronicity and hope that she is
well, in good spirits and finding deeper and better insights into the
pathogenesis of AIDS.

        George M. Carter
pauleewhiting - 01 Oct 2005 01:12 GMT
"Funny how when the questions get hot, all of a sudden, AZTMurder, Susie
and Lorenzo vomit all vanish at the same time!"

They must have all died of AIDS caused by HIV.

But fear not, George!

I am here to comfort your sorrow!

I am a shoulder for you to lean on!

I am a pillar of strength in this dark hour!
GMCarter - 01 Oct 2005 12:35 GMT
>"Funny how when the questions get hot, all of a sudden, AZTMurder, Susie
>and Lorenzo vomit all vanish at the same time!"
>
>They must have all died of AIDS caused by HIV.

No. Frod must be back on his meds.

>But fear not, George!
>I am here to comfort your sorrow!
>I am a shoulder for you to lean on!
>I am a pillar of strength in this dark hour!

LOL. No, you're not.
Fondoo - 03 Oct 2005 02:08 GMT
 he he I gotta give George that one
pauleewhiting - 14 Oct 2005 11:37 GMT
"Funny how when the questions get hot, all of a sudden, AZTMurder, Susie
and Lorenzo vomit all vanish at the same time!"

Yes, but I'm here to still comfort you, George!

And I promise I will *never* leave this forum.

Ever.

Oh, and to save you the trouble, you can skip the...

"You're gonna die, Paul!  DIE!  I'm sorry I have to tell you this, but
it's just the cold hard facts that you're gonna DIE, DIE, DIE!"

..I wouldn't want you to waste your precious venom.

Love you!  Mean it!

-Paulee
GMCarter - 14 Oct 2005 12:00 GMT
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>Love you!  Mean it!

Oh, darling, I love you too. But if you're not going to use condoms,
well you just can't f.ck me any more.
pauleewhiting - 14 Oct 2005 15:54 GMT
"Funny how when the questions get hot, all of a sudden, AZTMurder, Susie
and Lorenzo vomit all vanish at the same time!"

Yes, but I'm here to still comfort you, George!

And I promise I will *never* leave this forum.

Ever.

Oh, and to save you the trouble, you can skip the...

"You're gonna die, Paul!  DIE!  I'm sorry I have to tell you this, but
it's just the cold hard facts that you're gonna DIE, DIE, DIE!"

..I wouldn't want you to waste your precious venom.
GMCarter - 14 Oct 2005 16:53 GMT
>"Funny how when the questions get hot, all of a sudden, AZTMurder, Susie
>and Lorenzo vomit all vanish at the same time!"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Ever.

See? You're immortal. And Miss Shaw, when she gets out of the can,
will hug you in her warm embrace and give you a nice long, slow bath
in DNCB.
pauleewhiting - 14 Oct 2005 22:14 GMT
"See? You're immortal. And Miss Shaw, when she gets out of the can, will
hug you in her warm embrace and give you a nice long, slow bath in DNCB."

Oh, really...  What will "she" be wearing?
GMCarter - 14 Oct 2005 22:21 GMT
>"See? You're immortal. And Miss Shaw, when she gets out of the can, will
>hug you in her warm embrace and give you a nice long, slow bath in DNCB."
>
>Oh, really...  What will "she" be wearing?

a wet suit?
pauleewhiting - 15 Oct 2005 21:07 GMT
"See? You're immortal. And Miss Shaw, when she gets out of the can, will
hug you in her warm embrace and give you a nice long, slow bath
in DNCB."

George,

What exactly *is* DNCB????????

It sounds like those who advocate for it suggest *NOT* using
anti-retrovirals...

I am very intrigued by this statement:

"Instructions for using DNCB originally provided by DNCB Now! say that
most other therapies could prevent it from working. This includes
long-term acupuncture, most herbs if used for more than a few days, high
doses of vitamins, and antiviral medications."

Tell me more!!!

-Paul Whiting
GMCarter - 15 Oct 2005 22:22 GMT
>What exactly *is* DNCB????????

Dinitrochlorobenzene. Fred embraced as the only valid treatment for
HIV infection. It is used in photography as a chemical developing
solution.

It induces a delayed type hypersensitivity response, at least locally
when applied to the skin in varying dilutions. This is thought/hoped
to stimulate a Th1 response--a kind response thought to be protective
in thwarting HIV disease progression.

It's most famous proponent, a pretty smart woman, too, was Billie
Goldberg.

>It sounds like those who advocate for it suggest *NOT* using
>anti-retrovirals...

Generally, but not always. Frod, as you'll note, dodged those
questions. I guess we must wait til he's out of jail, although of late
he appears to have been reduced to just being a nasty bastard.

>I am very intrigued by this statement:
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Tell me more!!!

Well, if you're on their site, you can get all the info from their
perspective on it. Frankly, it always struck me that if something like
a multivitamin could thwart its effects, the best it could do is burn
your skin.

And indeed, I've always wondered if there is any relevance to the
local milieu shifting somewhat and if that has any impact on a
systemic immunological response that would downregulate Th2 cytokines
(like IL4, IL6, TNF) and upregulate IL2, IL12, IFN-gamma, etc.

        George M. Carter
pauleewhiting - 15 Oct 2005 17:09 GMT
>"Funny how when the questions get hot, all of a sudden, AZTMurder, Susie
>and Lorenzo vomit all vanish at the same time!"
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
>Ever.

"See? You're immortal."

Yes, but I try *not* to brag about it...

-Paul Whiting
pauleewhiting - 15 Oct 2005 20:49 GMT
">And I promise I will *never* leave this forum.

>Ever.

"See? You're immortal."

"Yes, but I try *not* to brag about it..."

"But I would *never* leave you...

I love you too damn much."

Yours truly,

Paul Whiting
 
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