Ok,
You´re right.
Read medical mafia from Ghislaine lanctot and you´ll see something like you
say but related cancer.
Keep in this way!!
People need to know the true
> http://www.sickofdoctors.addr.com/articles/castro/castrosynopsis.htm
http://www.aegis.com/news/dmg/2002/MG020419.html
quote>"One of the documents, entitled Castro Hlongwane, Caravans, Cats,
Geese, Foot & Mouth and Statistics, was distributed to senior African
National Congress structures in March and early April this year (2002)
before howls of derision caused the embarrassed party leadership to
withdraw it."
Catch up will you.
This document, which as you can see was hurridly withdrawn by the ANC
because it was so mind-numbingly stupid, has faded into the black hole
of denialist obscurity.
There was evidence at the time that it was written on Mbeki's personal
computer. The discovery that Mbeki may have authored the document (and
entertained the thoughts expressed therin) was so awful to contemplate
that a major cover-up ensued.
But if you want to drag it up- fine....
Read about how Mbeki thinks the deaths of all his ANC pals from AIDS
had nothing to do with HIV, but must have been due to something
else...like...er...THE DRUGS! Would these be the same drugs that the
ANC had been denying their own citizens the use of for years, while
they were secretly swallowing them by the bucketful?
Iconoclaster - 02 Oct 2005 02:17 GMT
>"Read about how Mbeki thinks the deaths of all his ANC pals from AIDS had
nothing to do with HIV, but must have been due to something else...
like... er...THE DRUGS! Would these be the same drugs that the ANC had
been denying their own citizens the use of for years, while they were
secretly swallowing them by the bucketful?"
Oh come off it, Master David! Nobody (maybe except you) is so dense not
to see that a depressed immune system can have more than one cause. Poor
nutrition and being struck with endemic diseases such as malaria are know
to do that. But THE DRUGS make a poor physical condition worse. A good
reason not to use them at any time. What you want is to kill poor sick
people off with toxic drugs. Could it be that your intentions are not
entirely philanthropic?
GMCarter - 02 Oct 2005 13:22 GMT
>>"Read about how Mbeki thinks the deaths of all his ANC pals from AIDS had
>nothing to do with HIV, but must have been due to something else...
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>Oh come off it, Master David! Nobody (maybe except you) is so dense not
>to see that a depressed immune system can have more than one cause.
Bullshit again. SHOW THE EVIDENCE to support this claim that sustained
and massive loss of CD4 counts will occur as seen in people with HIV.
Fondoo - 03 Oct 2005 07:31 GMT
here ya go.... Daar ES, Moudgil T, Ho DD. Persistently low T-helper (CD4+)
lymphocyte counts in HIV-negative asymptomatic men. Western Society of
Clinical Investigation meeting, February 1990.
This is not an area of interest so it remains unexplored in my opinion
DavidT - 03 Oct 2005 09:16 GMT
Yeah - Reports of low CD4 counts in HIV-uninfected persons are so
vanishingly rare that they merit major articles in the New England
Journal to specifically highlight why they are so unusual.
http://171.66.123.143/cgi/content/full/328/6/386
[Extract: Persistently low CD4+ T-cell counts are highly unusual24,35.
Transiently low counts have been noted in a number of cohort studies of
HIV-negative persons: the Multicenter AIDS Cohort Study (Vermund S:
personal communication), the CDC San Francisco Cohort Study (Holmberg
S: personal communication), the Transfusion Safety Study,36 the New
York City Intravenous Drug User Study (DesJarlais D: personal
communication), and the New Jersey Intravenous Drug User Study37.
Counts have also been reported as being low in several acute
infections38,39 and in single cases of cryptococcal meningoencephalitis
and disseminated histoplasmosis40,41.]
Bottom line - if you have this condition, 99.9% of the time it is due
to HIV.
There are hundreds of thousands of people with HIV who have severe
AIDS-defining conditions. Why do you think these conditions are so rare
in those who are HIV-negative?
GMCarter - 03 Oct 2005 12:57 GMT
> here ya go.... Daar ES, Moudgil T, Ho DD. Persistently low T-helper (CD4+)
> asymptomatic men. Western Society of
>Clinical Investigation meeting, February 1990.
>
> This is not an area of interest so it remains unexplored in my opinion
An unsupported opinion. It is interesting to note that all of those
scientists do not dispute or question the basic role of HIV in the
development of AIDS. ICL, also, is extremely rare--and does NOT
account for a lot of young men and women or kids having their CD4
count wiped out and suffering from CMV retinitis, CM, PCP, MAC, PML,
etc.
Here is another link:
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00017329.htm
These few handful of cases DO deserve more attention. No question. But
they do not mean HIV doesn't cause AIDS.
George M. Carter
Iconoclaster - 02 Oct 2005 02:22 GMT
A fellow dissident sent me this link, with the comment: "How stupid can
they get?"
http://allafrica.com/stories/200509300603.html
Pregnancy is one of the conditions that causes false positive HIV-tests,
for catsake!
So if your wife is pregnant, use a condom, so she will not get more
pregnant... or get infected with More HIV... or whatever.
Who wrote this trashy news item? A condom sales rep?
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 03 Oct 2005 05:28 GMT
>A fellow dissident sent me this link, with the comment: "How stupid can
>they get?"
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Pregnancy is one of the conditions that causes false positive HIV-tests,
>for catsake!
The stupid people are the ones who assume the study is wrong without
finding out numbers and doing arithmetic.
According to AllAfrica, pregnancy results in a doubling of HIV
incidence.
According to the Lancet, incidence rates were:
2.3 per 100 person-years -- pregnant
1.3 per 100 person-years -- lactating
1.1 per 100 person-years -- not pregant or lactating
(The Lancet article does not say whether these are ELISA positives
or confirmed positives.)
When 29.4 million Russians were tested in 1991, there were 30,000
false positive ELISA results. One quarter of the people tested were
pregnant women. There were 8,000 false positives in pregnant women.
30,000/29.4 million = 1.02/1000.
One quarter of 29.4 million is about 7.3 million.
8,000/7.3 million = 1.1/1000.
This increase in false positives resulting from pregnancy is no where
near a doubling -- it isn't even remotely capable of accounting for the
pregnant women in the study having twice the incidence of other women.

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