See? Yet another vicious post.

Anyway, Fred, if you really believe this is a good idea, why not give
money so "montygram" can take up the challenge?

Frankly, I think it's a stupid idea.

        George M. Carter

No, you must pay for your crimes.  That is the idea.

C'mon Swine, you KNOW that George M. "Conman" Carter NEEDS the
money since his "save the world" beg-a-thon isn't doing so
well now that the "Frod" is out of the bag ... LOL !!!

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The Perth Group has demonstrated that all that you would get is
cellular fragments that are most likely from cells that underwent
aptosis.  An interesting debate that exists among scientists is the
notion of an "infectious molecular clone" of so-called "HIV."  The
Perth Group debunk this claim in several articles on their website:
www.theperthgroup.com. They do so in their seminal article on the
so-called "isolation" of "HIV":
http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/data/epreplypd.htm, and they do so in
detail in the debate on the bmj.com site:
http://www.rethinking.org/bmj.

The guy who said he's not a molecular biologist is correct, in that
he's not a molecular biologist.  If he were, he'd keep his mouth shut,
or else he'd lose his funding, but he'd be thinking, "I can't believe
that public is buying this nonsense."

What most people don't understand is that there is no HIV.  Fragments
that are supposed to be the right shape have been found (which means
nothing necessarily, since it's a prediction, but does not establish a
cause of "AIDS"), but they are not the right size.  And fragments of
the right size have been found, but without the correct morphological
characteristics.  You don't realize how much this resembles science
fiction, except that science fiction is usually more realistic.  If you
spend some time reading through the links I provided, and put your
preconceptions aside, you might be able to see what a sham this is.

But my challenge is genuine.  There is no "isolated HIV," just some
cellular fragments, which are not harmful.  They are a sign that the
body has undergone tremendous oxidative (or other) stress, but nothing
else.  Go to pubmed.com and search for oxidative stress.  You will see
that it (and other stressors) can damage the thymus, immune system
cells, etc.  "AIDS" is usually a kind of premature aging, but it
depends on which of the 29 different disorders classified as "AIDS"
that one is discussing.  Have you heard of Karoshi?  Japanese
businessmen working themselves to death?  Everyone agrees that stress
is involved there, but what they don't realize is that the same
biochemical processes are at work.

As Duesberg has said, biochemical activity is the key.  With PUFAs
saturating your body (pardon the pun), your body becomes a very
unstable biochemcial entity.  The point is that there is a single
biochemical way to understand this phenomenon.  Bacteria and viruses
are like tiny vultures: they just come in later and take what they can.
The number of ways that the "HIV causes AIDS, which then kills you in
a number of years that is always changing" claim is ludicrous on so
many grounds it could be a show on Comedy Central.

But those of you who know some people who might be interested in taking
me up on my offer, let them know.  Just tell them that a sick person's
toxic blood cannot be used.  Only "virus" suspended in an inert
substance can be used.  What is inert stays inert unless a stressor is
applied (though in this case, the cellular fragments will just be
broken down and reused).  There is no way it could damage an insect,
let alone a human.