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Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by donating blood?
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dsaklad@gnu.org - 17 Aug 2005 09:43 GMT Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by donating blood?...
A thought experiment that reflects how many people are superstitious about donating blood and superstitious about the strategy of getting tested together before having sex for sexually transmitted infections.
Here's a blog and a wiki about the strategy http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/not_b4_we_know
GMCarter - 17 Aug 2005 12:10 GMT >Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by >donating blood?... Yes--if you live in China and the blood is pooled with other people's blood and then a fraction returned to you. Many people in various villages throughout China became infected in this way.
Otherwise, most places don't do that--unless some idiot reused a syringe (could happen) you're very unlikely to become infected donating blood.
George M. Carter
dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu - 17 Aug 2005 16:03 GMT . It's probably true in the past but not anymmore in China. They've learned something about the stupidity of doing that long term costs
> >Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by > >donating blood?... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > George M. Carter Uncle Jimbo - 17 Aug 2005 20:55 GMT <dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu> wrote in message...
> . > It's probably true in the past but not anymmore in China. > They've learned something about the stupidity of doing that > long term costs No, I think it was just a few years ago. You sound like those idiots on the Mexico newsgroup who say that while Mexico was corrupt in the past (like 5 years ago), it is no longer corrupt and that even though the last dozen presidents embezzled billions of dollars from the treasury, that the "new & improved" presidents don't do such things. Like the PRI "party" (mafia) that's ruled Mexico for nearly a century and ran it into the dirt, the Chinese Communist Party has learned from the lessons of the past and is similarly "new & improved" and though it tainted blood with HIV in the past, it no longer does so.
And don't laugh, a recent PRI slogan was "El Nuevo PRI, Más Cerca de Ti" or "The New PRI, Closer to You." That's to distinguish itself from that nasty "old" PRI, the one that looted the treasury, destroyed the economy, rigged elections, and caused half of Mexico's population to flee the country. Similarly, China is now ruled by "new & improved" Communists, not those nasty "old" Communists who murdered and starved millions and infected them with HIV.
http://www.pri.org.mx
GMCarter - 18 Aug 2005 02:16 GMT snip.
>No, I think it was just a few years ago. You sound like those idiots on >the Mexico newsgroup who say that while Mexico was corrupt in the past >(like 5 years ago), it is no longer corrupt and that even though the >last dozen presidents embezzled billions of dollars from the treasury, ...yes, like the idiots who think W is not corrupt, having destroyed the treasury, shovelled billions into the hands of his oil cronies and to pharma, started a war based on lies, created MORE of a security threat, lied, cheated, stealed and, via the war, committed murder and mayhem.
George M. Carter
Death - 18 Aug 2005 04:11 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> ...threat, lied, cheated, stealed and, via the war, committed murder and > mayhem. stealed?
Uncle Jimbo - 18 Aug 2005 04:41 GMT "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote...
> "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> ...threat, lied, cheated, stealed and, via the war, committed murder and >> mayhem. >> > stealed? Still better than the "stoled" my dippy friend uses.
GMCarter - 18 Aug 2005 11:36 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> ...threat, lied, cheated, stealed and, via the war, committed murder and >> mayhem. >> >stealed? heavens, you aren't as ignernt as you look.
Death - 18 Aug 2005 15:29 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > heavens, you aren't as ignernt as you look. Don't spread that around. I'm enjoying the game.
Susie - 07 Sep 2005 20:49 GMT > heavens, you aren't as ignernt as you look. And Conman Carter is an expert in looking ignernt.
Susie
Danny - 18 Aug 2005 04:16 GMT > ...yes, like the idiots who think W is not corrupt, having destroyed > the treasury, shovelled billions into the hands of his oil cronies and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > George M. Carter This is a good example of why the US is taken less seriously in the world these days. It has a nation of idiots who place cheap shot party political politics above all else and the rest of the more and more laughs in your idiot faces.
GMCarter - 18 Aug 2005 11:38 GMT >> ...yes, like the idiots who think W is not corrupt, having destroyed >> the treasury, shovelled billions into the hands of his oil cronies and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >political politics above all else and the rest of the more and more >laughs in your idiot faces. W has indeed made the US an horrific laughing stock. Worse, he's made it into a bigger target even while dissing allies.
Not to mention, he done stealed the election
Danny - 18 Aug 2005 18:17 GMT >>This is a good example of why the US is taken less seriously in the >>world these days. It has a nation of idiots who place cheap shot party [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > W has indeed made the US an horrific laughing stock. Worse, he's made > it into a bigger target even while dissing allies. No so. Maybe he has made it worse after Clinton and Monica and the assorted clowns before them. Tell me. When last did the US have a president who did not bring the country into disrepute?
GMCarter - 19 Aug 2005 10:03 GMT >No so. Maybe he has made it worse after Clinton and Monica and the >assorted clowns before them. Tell me. When last did the US have a >president who did not bring the country into disrepute? LOL....monica. A blow job.
And gosh he lied about it.
But somehow-- Lying about a nonexistent connection between Iraq and al Qaeda, Lying about weapons of mass destruction Lying about the threat of terrorism (and missing the real terrorists) Lying about "extraordinary rendition" and torture camps Lying about social security Lying about medicare drug benefits (boon for pharma, screw the elderly) Lying about the environment and global warming Lying about safer sex thru the CDC Lying about unilateral and other "free trade" agreements...
and on and on and on and on--each of which lies result in the horrific suffering and deaths of at least tens of thousands if not millions of people--
...well gosh.
Brian Mailman - 19 Aug 2005 16:08 GMT >>No so. Maybe he has made it worse after Clinton and Monica and the >>assorted clowns before them. Tell me. When last did the US have a [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > And gosh he lied about it. Bumper stickers here have "When Clinton Lied, No One Died."
B/
Death - 19 Aug 2005 18:21 GMT "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message
> Bumper stickers here have "When Clinton Lied, No One Died." We have a bumper sticker here too, it reads:
http://www.povn.com/sandlent/clinton/
GMCarter - 19 Aug 2005 23:01 GMT >Bumper stickers here have "When Clinton Lied, No One Died." Succint.
Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell--they should be on trial for their thefts, mayhem, crimes against humanity and murder.
But the media and democrats are too cowardly, sadly, to really take them on. The repugnicans have their dangerous scum like Frist, Rove, DeLay, Santorum and other examples of corruption to keep them at bay.
George M. Carter
GMCarter - 19 Aug 2005 11:19 GMT Not to mention that the Bush administration is ITSELF an utter lie: they stole the election. Twice.
So much for democracy. I guess since daddy Bush did the Kuwait thing for "democracy," it now means "oligarchical caliphate."
George M. Carter
** http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/opinion/19krugman.html What They Did Last Fall
By PAUL KRUGMAN Published: August 19, 2005
By running for the U.S. Senate, Katherine Harris, Florida's former secretary of state, has stirred up some ugly memories. And that's a good thing, because those memories remain relevant. There was at least as much electoral malfeasance in 2004 as there was in 2000, even if it didn't change the outcome. And the next election may be worse.
In his recent book "Steal This Vote" - a very judicious work, despite its title - Andrew Gumbel, a U.S. correspondent for the British newspaper The Independent, provides the best overview I've seen of the 2000 Florida vote. And he documents the simple truth: "Al Gore won the 2000 presidential election."
Two different news media consortiums reviewed Florida's ballots; both found that a full manual recount would have given the election to Mr. Gore. This was true despite a host of efforts by state and local officials to suppress likely Gore votes, most notably Ms. Harris's "felon purge," which disenfranchised large numbers of valid voters.
But few Americans have heard these facts. Perhaps journalists have felt that it would be divisive to cast doubt on the Bush administration's legitimacy. If so, their tender concern for the nation's feelings has gone for naught: Cindy Sheehan's supporters are camped in Crawford, and America is more bitterly divided than ever.
Meanwhile, the whitewash of what happened in Florida in 2000 showed that election-tampering carries no penalty, and political operatives have acted accordingly. For example, in 2002 the Republican Party in New Hampshire hired a company to jam Democratic and union phone banks on Election Day.
And what about 2004?
Mr. Gumbel throws cold water on those who take the discrepancy between the exit polls and the final result as evidence of a stolen election. (I told you it's a judicious book.) He also seems, on first reading, to play down what happened in Ohio. But the theme of his book is that America has a long, bipartisan history of dirty elections.
He told me that he wasn't brushing off the serious problems in Ohio, but that "this is what American democracy typically looks like, especially in a presidential election in a battleground state that is controlled substantially by one party."
So what does U.S. democracy look like? There have been two Democratic reports on Ohio in 2004, one commissioned by Representative John Conyers Jr., the other by the Democratic National Committee.
The D.N.C. report is very cautious: "The purpose of this investigation," it declares, "was not to challenge or question the results of the election in any way." It says there is no evidence that votes were transferred away from John Kerry - but it does suggest that many potential Kerry votes were suppressed. Although the Conyers report is less cautious, it stops far short of claiming that the wrong candidate got Ohio's electoral votes.
But both reports show that votes were suppressed by long lines at polling places - lines caused by inadequate numbers of voting machines - and that these lines occurred disproportionately in areas likely to vote Democratic. Both reports also point to problems involving voters who were improperly forced to cast provisional votes, many of which were discarded.
The Conyers report goes further, highlighting the blatant partisanship of election officials. In particular, the behavior of Ohio's secretary of state, Kenneth Blackwell - who supervised the election while serving as co-chairman of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio - makes Ms. Harris's actions in 2000 seem mild by comparison.
And then there are the election night stories. Warren County locked down its administration building and barred public observers from the vote-counting, citing an F.B.I. warning of a terrorist threat. But the F.B.I. later denied issuing any such warning. Miami County reported that voter turnout was an improbable 98.55 percent of registered voters. And so on.
We aren't going to rerun the last three elections. But what about the future?
Our current political leaders would suffer greatly if either house of Congress changed hands in 2006, or if the presidency changed hands in 2008. The lids would come off all the simmering scandals, from the selling of the Iraq war to profiteering by politically connected companies. The Republicans will be strongly tempted to make sure that they win those elections by any means necessary. And everything we've seen suggests that they will give in to that temptation.
Susie - 07 Sep 2005 20:46 GMT > ...yes, like the idiots who think W is not corrupt, having destroyed > the treasury, shovelled billions into the hands of his oil cronies and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > George M. Carter Gee, I think I am in agreement with everything Conman Carter is saying here. But I wonder about Conman's sincerity, given the gratuitous inclusion of "pharma" in his list.
Something about "biting the hand that feeds you" leaves a fraudulent haze over Conman's words.
Susie
Susie - 07 Sep 2005 20:42 GMT > unless some idiot reused a syringe (could happen) > > George M. Carter Obviously, something foremost on the mind of any smack addict, such as Conman Carter.
Susie
Uncle Jimbo - 17 Aug 2005 20:40 GMT "dsaklad@gnu.org" <dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu> wrote...
> Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by > donating blood?... > > A thought experiment that reflects how many people are superstitious > about donating blood and superstitious about the strategy of getting > tested together before having sex for sexually transmitted infections. You assume the blood donation centers use new, clean, sterile needles. It's probably the case in the U.S., but there might be some private plasma centers who try to save money by re-using needles. I did read of a case a few years ago where a nurse re-used needles. They aren't sure why, but they think she had a thing about certain needles being sharper than others, re-using the ones she had the most success in inserting. A fellow nurse caught her trying to wash the needles in the sink and was horrified. To be fair, she was using bleach or peroxide or whatever, she did intend to sterilize them, but she could have failed and infected somebody with hepatitis or HIV.
I almost freaked a few years ago when I went to get a vaccination, and the nurse unwrapped a new needle, accidentally pricked herself, and tossed it in the hazbin. But she might have thought it would alarm me and used the needle anyway, confident that she was healthy. So however unlikely the HIV advocates insist blood donations or vaccinations are, it is never IMPOSSIBLE.
Oh, and then there was that nurse who was dipping into the hospital's opiate supply. They didn't know for sure, but they were worried she might have re-used a needle when she dipped it into the vial (I think she was HIV+ or had hepatitis). Every patient she treated had to be notified and tested as a result.
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