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Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by donating blood?

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dsaklad@gnu.org - 17 Aug 2005 09:43 GMT
Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by
donating blood?...

A thought experiment that reflects how many people are superstitious
about donating blood and superstitious about the strategy of getting
tested together before having sex for sexually transmitted infections.

Here's a blog and a wiki about the strategy
http://NotB4WeKnow.EditThisPage.com
http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/not_b4_we_know
GMCarter - 17 Aug 2005 12:10 GMT
>Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by
>donating blood?...

Yes--if you live in China and the blood is pooled with other people's
blood and then a fraction returned to you. Many people in various
villages throughout China became infected in this way.

Otherwise, most places don't do that--unless some idiot reused a
syringe (could happen) you're very unlikely to become infected
donating blood.

        George M. Carter
dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu - 17 Aug 2005 16:03 GMT
.
   It's probably true in the past but not anymmore in China.
   They've learned something about the stupidity of doing that
   long term costs

> >Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by
> >donating blood?...
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>
>         George M. Carter
Uncle Jimbo - 17 Aug 2005 20:55 GMT
<dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu> wrote in message...
> .
>    It's probably true in the past but not anymmore in China.
>    They've learned something about the stupidity of doing that
>    long term costs

No, I think it was just a few years ago.  You sound like those idiots on
the Mexico newsgroup who say that while Mexico was corrupt in the past
(like 5 years ago), it is no longer corrupt and that even though the
last dozen presidents embezzled billions of dollars from the treasury,
that the "new & improved" presidents don't do such things.  Like the
PRI "party" (mafia) that's ruled Mexico for nearly a century and ran it
into the dirt, the Chinese Communist Party has learned from the lessons
of the past and is similarly "new & improved" and though it tainted
blood with HIV in the past, it no longer does so.

And don't laugh, a recent PRI slogan was "El Nuevo PRI, Más Cerca de Ti"
or "The New PRI, Closer to You."  That's to distinguish itself from that
nasty "old" PRI, the one that looted the treasury, destroyed the economy,
rigged elections, and caused half of Mexico's population to flee the
country.  Similarly, China is now ruled by "new & improved" Communists,
not those nasty "old" Communists who murdered and starved millions and
infected them with HIV.

http://www.pri.org.mx
GMCarter - 18 Aug 2005 02:16 GMT
snip.
>No, I think it was just a few years ago.  You sound like those idiots on
>the Mexico newsgroup who say that while Mexico was corrupt in the past
>(like 5 years ago), it is no longer corrupt and that even though the
>last dozen presidents embezzled billions of dollars from the treasury,

...yes, like the idiots who think W is not corrupt, having destroyed
the treasury, shovelled billions into the hands of his oil cronies and
to pharma, started a war based on lies, created MORE of a security
threat, lied, cheated, stealed and, via the war, committed murder and
mayhem.

        George M. Carter
Death - 18 Aug 2005 04:11 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> ...threat, lied, cheated, stealed and, via the war, committed murder and
> mayhem.

stealed?
Uncle Jimbo - 18 Aug 2005 04:41 GMT
"Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote...
> "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> ...threat, lied, cheated, stealed and, via the war, committed murder and
>> mayhem.
>>
> stealed?

Still better than the "stoled" my dippy friend uses.
GMCarter - 18 Aug 2005 11:36 GMT
>"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>
>> ...threat, lied, cheated, stealed and, via the war, committed murder and
>> mayhem.
>>
>stealed?

heavens, you aren't as ignernt as you look.
Death - 18 Aug 2005 15:29 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

>  "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>
>
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>
> heavens, you aren't as ignernt as you look.

Don't spread that around. I'm enjoying the game.
Susie - 07 Sep 2005 20:49 GMT
> heavens, you aren't as ignernt as you look.

And Conman Carter is an expert in looking ignernt.

Susie
Danny - 18 Aug 2005 04:16 GMT
> ...yes, like the idiots who think W is not corrupt, having destroyed
> the treasury, shovelled billions into the hands of his oil cronies and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>         George M. Carter

This is a good example of why the US is taken less seriously in the
world these days. It has a nation of idiots who place cheap shot party
political politics above all else and the rest of the more and more
laughs in your idiot faces.
GMCarter - 18 Aug 2005 11:38 GMT
>> ...yes, like the idiots who think W is not corrupt, having destroyed
>> the treasury, shovelled billions into the hands of his oil cronies and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>political politics above all else and the rest of the more and more
>laughs in your idiot faces.

W has indeed made the US an horrific laughing stock. Worse, he's made
it into a bigger target even while dissing allies.

Not to mention, he done stealed the election
Danny - 18 Aug 2005 18:17 GMT
>>This is a good example of why the US is taken less seriously in the
>>world these days. It has a nation of idiots who place cheap shot party
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> W has indeed made the US an horrific laughing stock. Worse, he's made
> it into a bigger target even while dissing allies.

No so. Maybe he has made it worse after Clinton and Monica and the
assorted clowns before them. Tell me. When last did the US have a
president who did not bring the country into disrepute?
GMCarter - 19 Aug 2005 10:03 GMT
>No so. Maybe he has made it worse after Clinton and Monica and the
>assorted clowns before them. Tell me. When last did the US have a
>president who did not bring the country into disrepute?

LOL....monica. A blow job.

And gosh he lied about it.

But somehow--
Lying about a nonexistent connection between Iraq and al Qaeda,
Lying about weapons of mass destruction
Lying about the threat of terrorism (and missing the real terrorists)
Lying about "extraordinary rendition" and torture camps
Lying about social security
Lying about medicare drug benefits (boon for pharma, screw the
elderly)
Lying about the environment and global warming
Lying about safer sex thru the CDC
Lying about unilateral and other "free trade" agreements...

and on and on and on and on--each of which lies result in the horrific
suffering and deaths of at least tens of thousands if not millions of
people--

...well gosh.
Brian Mailman - 19 Aug 2005 16:08 GMT
>>No so. Maybe he has made it worse after Clinton and Monica and the
>>assorted clowns before them. Tell me. When last did the US have a
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> And gosh he lied about it.

Bumper stickers here have "When Clinton Lied, No One Died."

B/
Death - 19 Aug 2005 18:21 GMT
"Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message

> Bumper stickers here have "When Clinton Lied, No One Died."

We have a bumper sticker here too, it reads:

http://www.povn.com/sandlent/clinton/
GMCarter - 19 Aug 2005 23:01 GMT
>Bumper stickers here have "When Clinton Lied, No One Died."

Succint.

Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell--they should be on trial for
their thefts, mayhem, crimes against humanity and murder.

But the media and democrats are too cowardly, sadly, to really take
them on. The repugnicans have their dangerous scum like Frist, Rove,
DeLay, Santorum and other examples of corruption to keep them at bay.

        George M. Carter
GMCarter - 19 Aug 2005 11:19 GMT
Not to mention that the Bush administration is ITSELF an utter lie:
they stole the election. Twice.

So much for democracy.  I guess since daddy Bush did the Kuwait thing
for "democracy," it now means "oligarchical caliphate."

        George M. Carter

**
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/19/opinion/19krugman.html
What They Did Last Fall

By PAUL KRUGMAN
Published: August 19, 2005

By running for the U.S. Senate, Katherine Harris, Florida's former
secretary of state, has stirred up some ugly memories. And that's a
good thing, because those memories remain relevant. There was at least
as much electoral malfeasance in 2004 as there was in 2000, even if it
didn't change the outcome. And the next election may be worse.

In his recent book "Steal This Vote" - a very judicious work, despite
its title - Andrew Gumbel, a U.S. correspondent for the British
newspaper The Independent, provides the best overview I've seen of the
2000 Florida vote. And he documents the simple truth: "Al Gore won the
2000 presidential election."

Two different news media consortiums reviewed Florida's ballots; both
found that a full manual recount would have given the election to Mr.
Gore. This was true despite a host of efforts by state and local
officials to suppress likely Gore votes, most notably Ms. Harris's
"felon purge," which disenfranchised large numbers of valid voters.

But few Americans have heard these facts. Perhaps journalists have
felt that it would be divisive to cast doubt on the Bush
administration's legitimacy. If so, their tender concern for the
nation's feelings has gone for naught: Cindy Sheehan's supporters are
camped in Crawford, and America is more bitterly divided than ever.

Meanwhile, the whitewash of what happened in Florida in 2000 showed
that election-tampering carries no penalty, and political operatives
have acted accordingly. For example, in 2002 the Republican Party in
New Hampshire hired a company to jam Democratic and union phone banks
on Election Day.

And what about 2004?

Mr. Gumbel throws cold water on those who take the discrepancy between
the exit polls and the final result as evidence of a stolen election.
(I told you it's a judicious book.) He also seems, on first reading,
to play down what happened in Ohio. But the theme of his book is that
America has a long, bipartisan history of dirty elections.

He told me that he wasn't brushing off the serious problems in Ohio,
but that "this is what American democracy typically looks like,
especially in a presidential election in a battleground state that is
controlled substantially by one party."

So what does U.S. democracy look like? There have been two Democratic
reports on Ohio in 2004, one commissioned by Representative John
Conyers Jr., the other by the Democratic National Committee.

The D.N.C. report is very cautious: "The purpose of this
investigation," it declares, "was not to challenge or question the
results of the election in any way." It says there is no evidence that
votes were transferred away from John Kerry - but it does suggest that
many potential Kerry votes were suppressed. Although the Conyers
report is less cautious, it stops far short of claiming that the wrong
candidate got Ohio's electoral votes.

But both reports show that votes were suppressed by long lines at
polling places - lines caused by inadequate numbers of voting machines
- and that these lines occurred disproportionately in areas likely to
vote Democratic. Both reports also point to problems involving voters
who were improperly forced to cast provisional votes, many of which
were discarded.

The Conyers report goes further, highlighting the blatant partisanship
of election officials. In particular, the behavior of Ohio's secretary
of state, Kenneth Blackwell - who supervised the election while
serving as co-chairman of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Ohio - makes Ms.
Harris's actions in 2000 seem mild by comparison.

And then there are the election night stories. Warren County locked
down its administration building and barred public observers from the
vote-counting, citing an F.B.I. warning of a terrorist threat. But the
F.B.I. later denied issuing any such warning. Miami County reported
that voter turnout was an improbable 98.55 percent of registered
voters. And so on.

We aren't going to rerun the last three elections. But what about the
future?

Our current political leaders would suffer greatly if either house of
Congress changed hands in 2006, or if the presidency changed hands in
2008. The lids would come off all the simmering scandals, from the
selling of the Iraq war to profiteering by politically connected
companies. The Republicans will be strongly tempted to make sure that
they win those elections by any means necessary. And everything we've
seen suggests that they will give in to that temptation.
Susie - 07 Sep 2005 20:46 GMT
> ...yes, like the idiots who think W is not corrupt, having destroyed
> the treasury, shovelled billions into the hands of his oil cronies and
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> George M. Carter

Gee, I think I am in agreement with everything Conman Carter is
saying here. But I wonder about Conman's sincerity, given the
gratuitous inclusion of "pharma" in his list.

Something about "biting the hand that feeds you" leaves a
fraudulent haze over Conman's words.

Susie
Susie - 07 Sep 2005 20:42 GMT
> unless some idiot reused a syringe (could happen)
>
> George M. Carter

Obviously, something foremost on the mind of any smack addict,
such as Conman Carter.

Susie
Uncle Jimbo - 17 Aug 2005 20:40 GMT
"dsaklad@gnu.org" <dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu> wrote...
> Is it true or false that you can get human immunodeficiency virus by
> donating blood?...
>
> A thought experiment that reflects how many people are superstitious
> about donating blood and superstitious about the strategy of getting
> tested together before having sex for sexually transmitted infections.

You assume the blood donation centers use new, clean, sterile needles.
It's probably the case in the U.S., but there might be some private
plasma centers who try to save money by re-using needles.  I did read
of a case a few years ago where a nurse re-used needles.  They aren't
sure why, but they think she had a thing about certain needles being
sharper than others, re-using the ones she had the most success in
inserting.  A fellow nurse caught her trying to wash the needles in
the sink and was horrified.  To be fair, she was using bleach or
peroxide or whatever, she did intend to sterilize them, but she could
have failed and infected somebody with hepatitis or HIV.

I almost freaked a few years ago when I went to get a vaccination, and
the nurse unwrapped a new needle, accidentally pricked herself, and
tossed it in the hazbin.  But she might have thought it would alarm me
and used the needle anyway, confident that she was healthy.  So however
unlikely the HIV advocates insist blood donations or vaccinations are,
it is never IMPOSSIBLE.

Oh, and then there was that nurse who was dipping into the hospital's
opiate supply.  They didn't know for sure, but they were worried she
might have re-used a needle when she dipped it into the vial (I think
she was HIV+ or had hepatitis).  Every patient she treated had to be
notified and tested as a result.
 
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