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The Negative Health Effects of Homosexuality return to full navigation Summary: Hollywood and the media relentlessly propagate the image of the fit, healthy, and well-adjusted homosexual. The reality is at polar opposites to this caricature: homosexual and lesbian relationships are typically characterized by instability, promiscuity, and unhealthy and risky sex practices, factors that greatly increase the incidence of serious and incurable sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including hepatitis, HPV, syphilis, gonorrhea, and AIDS.
Issue No.: 232 by: Timothy J. Dailey, Ph. D.
Homosexual activists attempt to portray their lifestyle as normal and healthy, and insist that homosexual relationships are the equivalent in every way to their heterosexual counterparts. Hollywood and the media relentlessly propagate the image of the fit, healthy, and well-adjusted homosexual. The reality is quite opposite to this caricature which was recently conceded by the homosexual newspaper New York Blade News:
Reports at a national conference about sexually transmitted diseases indicate that gay men are in the highest risk group for several of the most serious diseases. . . . Scientists believe that the increased number of sexually tranmitted diseases (STD) cases is the result of an increase in risky sexual practices by a growing number of gay men who believe HIV is no longer a life-threatening illness.[1]
Instability and promiscuity typically characterize homosexual relationships. These two factors increase the incidence of serious and incurable stds. In addition, some homosexual behaviors put practitioners at higher risk for a variety of ailments, as catalogued by the following research data:
Risky Sexual Behavior on the Rise Among Homosexuals. Despite two decades of intensive efforts to educate homosexuals against the dangers of acquired immunodeficiency syndrome (AIDS) and other stds, the incidence of unsafe sexual practices that often result in various diseases is on the rise.
· According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), from 1994 to 1997 the proportion of homosexuals reporting having had anal sex increased from 57.6 percent to 61.2 percent, while the percentage of those reporting "always" using condoms declined from 69.6 percent to 60 percent.[2]
· The CDC reported that during the same period the proportion of men reporting having multiple sex partners and unprotected anal sex increased from 23.6 percent to 33.3 percent. The largest increase in this category (from 22 percent to 33.3 percent) was reported by homosexuals twenty-five years old or younger.[3]
Homosexuals Failing to Disclose Their HIV Status to Sex Partners · A study presented July 13, 2000 at the XIII International aids Conference in Durban, South Africa disclosed that a significant number of homosexual and bisexual men with hiv "continue to engage in unprotected sex with people who have no idea they could be contracting HIV."[4] Researchers from the University of California, San Francisco found that thirty-six percent of homosexuals engaging in unprotected oral, anal, or vaginal sex failed to disclose that they were HIV positive to casual sex partners.[5]
· A CDC report revealed that, in 1997, 45 percent of homosexuals reporting having had unprotected anal intercourse during the previous six months did not know the HIV serostatus of all their sex partners. Even more alarming, among those who reported having had unprotected anal intercourse and multiple partners, 68 percent did not know the HIV serostatus of their partners.[6]
Young Homosexuals are at Increased Risk. Following in the footsteps of the generation of homosexuals decimated by AIDS, younger homosexuals are engaging in dangerous sexual practices at an alarming rate.
· A Johns Hopkins University School of Public Health study of three-hundred-sixty-one young men who have sex with men (MSM) aged fifteen to twenty-two found that around 40 percent of participants reported having had anal-insertive sex, and around 30 percent said they had had anal-receptive sex. Thirty-seven percent said they had not used a condom for anal sex during their last same-sex encounter. Twenty-one percent of the respondents reported using drugs or alcohol during their last same-sex encounter.[7]
· A five-year CDC study of 3,492 homosexual males aged fifteen to twenty-two found that one-quarter had unprotected sex with both men and women. Another cdc study of 1,942 homosexual and bisexual men with HIV found that 19 percent had at least one episode of unprotected anal sex--the riskiest sexual behavior--in 1998 and 1997, a 50 percent increase from the previous two years.[8]
Homosexual Promiscuity. Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:
· A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.[9]
· In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.[10]
· A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than a thousand sexual partners.[11]
· In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."[12]
Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples. Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" typically means something radically different from marriage.
· In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that in a study of a hundred-fifty-six males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years,
Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.[13] · In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.[14]
Unhealthy Aspects of "Monogamous" Homosexual Relationships. Even those homosexual relationships that are loosely termed "monogamous" do not necessarily result in healthier behavior.
· The journal AIDS reported that men involved in relationships engaged in anal intercourse and oral-anal intercourse with greater frequency than those without a steady partner.[15] Anal intercourse has been linked to a host of bacterial and parasitical sexually transmitted diseases, including AIDS.
· The exclusivity of the relationship did not diminish the incidence of unhealthy sexual acts, which are commonplace among homosexuals. An English study published in the same issue of the journal AIDS concurred, finding that most "unsafe" sex acts among homosexuals occur in steady relationships.[16]
Human Papillomavirus (HPV). HPV is a collection of more than seventy types of viruses that can cause warts, or papillomas, on various parts of the body. More than twenty types of HPV are incurable STDs that can infect the genital tract of both men and women. Most HPV infections are subclinical or asymptomatic, with only one in a hundred people experiencing genital warts.
· HPV is "almost universal" among homosexuals. According to the homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade: "A San Francisco study of Gay and bisexual men revealed that HPV infection was almost universal among HIV-positive men, and that 60 percent of HIV-negative men carried HPV."[17]
· HPV can lead to anal cancer. At the recent Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health, Dr. Andrew Grulich announced that "most instances of anal cancer are caused by a cancer-causing strain of HPV through receptive anal intercourse. HPV infects over 90 percent of HIV-positive gay men and 65 percent of HIV-negative gay men, according to a number of recent studies."[18]
· The link between HPV and cervical cancer. Citing a presentation by Dr. Stephen Goldstone to the International Congress on Papillomavirus in Human Pathology in Paris, the Washington Blade reports that "HPV is believed to cause cervical cancer in women."[19]
Hepatitis: A potentially fatal liver disease that increases the risk of liver cancer.
· Hepatitis A: The Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report published by the CDC reports: "Outbreaks of hepatitis A among men who have sex with men are a recurring problem in many large cities in the industrialized world."[20]
· Hepatitis B: This is a serious disease caused by a virus that attacks the liver. The virus, which is called hepatitis B virus (HBV), can cause lifelong infection, cirrhosis (scarring) of the liver, liver cancer, liver failure, and death. Each year in the United States, more than 200,000 people of all ages contract hepatitis B and close to 5,000 die of sickness caused by AIDS. The CDC reports that MSM are at increased risk for hepatitis B.[21]
· Hepatitis C is an inflammation of the liver that can cause cirrhosis, liver failure and liver cancer. The virus can lie dormant in the body for up to thirty years before flaring up. Although less so than with hepatitis A and B, MSM who engage in unsafe sexual practices remain at increased risk for contracting hepatitis C.[22]
Gonorrhea: An inflammatory disease of the genital tract. Gonorrhea traditionally occurs on the genitals, but has recently appeared in the rectal region and in the throat. Although easily treated by antibiotics, according to the cdc only "about 50 percent of men have some signs or symptoms, and "many women who are infected have no symptoms of infection."[23] Untreated gonorrhea can have serious and permanent health consequences, including infertility damage to the prostate and urethra.
· A CDC report documents "significant increases during 1994 to 1997 in rectal gonorrhea . . . among MSM," indicating that "safe sex" practices may not be taken as seriously as the aids epidemic begins to slow.[24] In 1999 the CDC released data showing that male rectal gonorrhea is increasing among homosexuals amidst an overall decline in national gonorrhea rates. The report attributed the increase to a larger percentage of homosexuals engaging in unsafe sexual behavior.[25]
· The incidence of throat Gonorrhea is strongly associated with homosexual behavior. The Canadian Medical Association Journal found that "gonorrhea was associated with urethral discharge . . . and homosexuality (3.7 times higher than the rate among heterosexuals)."[26] Similarly, a study in the Journal of Clinical Pathology found that homosexual men had a much higher prevalence of pharyngeal (throat) gonorrhea--15.2 percent compared with 4.1 percent for heterosexual men.[27]
Syphilis: A venereal disease that, if left untreated, can spread throughout the body over time, causing serious heart abnormalities, mental disorders, blindness, and death. The initial symptoms of syphilis are often mild and painless, leading some individuals to avoid seeking treatment. According to the National Institutes of Health, the disease may be mistaken for other common illnesses: "syphilis has sometimes been called 'the great imitator' because its early symptoms are similar to those of many other diseases." Early symptoms include rashes, moist warts in the groin area, slimy white patches in the mouth, or pus-filled bumps resembling chicken pox.[28]
· According to the CDC, "transmission of the organism occurs during vaginal, anal, or oral sex."[29] In addition, the Archives of Internal Medicine found that homosexuals acquired syphilis at a rate ten times that of heterosexuals.[30]
· The CDC reports that those who contract syphilis face potentially deadly health consequences: "It is now known that the genital sores caused by syphilis in adults also make it easier to transmit and acquire HIV infection sexually. There is a two to five fold increased risk of acquiring hiv infection when syphilis is present."[31]
Gay Bowel Syndrome (GBS):[32] The Journal of the American Medical Association refers to GBS problems such as proctitis, proctocolitis, and enteritis as "sexually transmitted gastrointestinal syndromes."[33] Many of the bacterial and protozoa pathogens that cause gbs are found in feces and transmitted to the digestive system: According to the pro-homosexual text Anal Pleasure and Health, "[s]exual activities provide many opportunities for tiny amounts of contaminated feces to find their way into the mouth of a sexual partner . . . The most direct route is oral-anal contact."[34]
· Proctitis and Proctocolitis are inflammations of the rectum and colon that cause pain, bloody rectal discharge and rectal spasms. Proctitis is associated with STDs such as gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, and syphilis that are widespread among homosexuals.[35] The Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association reports that "[p]roctitis occurs predominantly among persons who participate in anal intercourse."
· Enteritis is inflammation of the small intestine. According to the Sexually Transmitted Disease Information Center of the Journal of the American Medical Association, "enteritis occurs among those whose sexual practices include oral-fecal contact."[36] Enteritis can cause abdominal pain, severe cramping, intense diarrhea, fever, malabsorption of nutrients, weight loss.[37] According to a report in The Health Implications of Homosexuality by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health, some pathogens associated with enteritis and proctocolitis [see below] "appear only to be sexually transmitted among men who have sex with men."[38]
HIV/AIDS Among Homosexuals. The human immunodeficiency virus (HIV) is responsible for causing AIDS, for which there exists no cure.
· Homosexual men are the largest risk category. The CDC reports that homosexuals comprise the single largest exposure category of the more than 600,000 males with AIDS in the United States. As of December 1999, "men who have sex with men" and "men who have sex with men and inject drugs" together accounted for 64 percent of the cumulative total of male AIDS cases.[39]
· Women risk contracting HIV/AIDS through sexual relations with infected MSM. According to the CDC, "HIV infection among U.S. women has increased significantly over the last decade, especially in communities of color. cdc estimates that, in the United States, between 120,000 and 160,000 adult and adolescent females are living with HIV infection, including those with AIDS." In 1999, for example, most of the women (40 percent) reported with AIDS were infected through heterosexual exposure to HIV.[40] That number is actually higher, as "historically, more than two-thirds of AIDS cases among women initially reported without identified risk were later reclassified as heterosexual transmission."[41]
· Homosexuals with HIV are at increased risk for developing other life-threatening diseases. A paper delivered at the Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health reported that homosexual men with HIV have "a 37-fold increase in anal cancer, a 4-fold increase in Hodgkin's disease (cancer of the lymph nodes), a 2.7-fold increase in cancer of the testicles, and a 2.5 fold increase in lip cancer."[42]
HIV/AIDS Among Young People · AIDS incidence is on the rise among teens and young adults. The CDC reports that, "even though AIDS incidence (the number of new cases diagnosed during a given time period, usually a year) is declining, there has not been a comparable decline in the number of newly diagnosed HIV cases among youth.[43]
· Young homosexual men are at particular risk. The CDC estimates that "at least half of all new HIV infections in the United States are among people under twenty-five, and the majority of young people are infected sexually."[44] By the end of 1999, 29,629 young people aged thirteen to twenty-four were diagnosed with AIDS in the United States. MSM were the single largest risk category: in 1999, for example, 50 percent of all new AIDS cases were reported among young homosexuals.[45]
· Sexually active young women are also at risk. The CDC reports: "In 1999, among young women the same age, 47 percent of all AIDS cases reported were acquired heterosexually and 11 percent were acquired through injection drug use."
Homosexuals with STDs Are at an Increased Risk for HIV Infection. Studies of MSM treated in STD clinics show rates of infection as high as 36 percent in major cities.[46] A CDC study attributed the high infection rate to having high numbers of anonymous sex partners: "[S]yphilis, gonorrhea, and chlamydia apparently have been introduced into a population of MSM who have large numbers of anonymous partners, which can result in rapid and extensive transmission of STDs."[47] The CDC report concluded: "Persons with STDs, including genital ulcer disease and nonulcerative STD, have a twofold to fivefold increased risk for HIV infection."[48]
Anal Cancer: Homosexuals are at increased risk for this rare type of cancer, which is potentially fatal if the anal-rectal tumors metastasize to other bodily organs.
· Dr. Joel Palefsky, a leading expert in the field of anal cancer, reports that while the incidence of anal cancer in the United States is only 0.9/100,000, that number soars to 35/100,000 for homosexuals. That rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive, which, according to Dr. Palefsky, is "roughly ten times higher than the current rate of cervical cancer."[49]
· At the Fourth International AIDS Malignancy Conference at the National Institutes of Health in May, 2000, Dr. Andrew Grulich announced that the incidence of anal cancer among homosexuals with HIV "was raised 37-fold compared with the general population."[50]
Lesbians are at Risk through Sex with MSM · Many Lesbians also have had sex with men. The homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade, citing a 1998 study in the Journal of Infectious Diseases, reported that "the study's data confirmed previous scientific observations that most women who have sex with women also have had sex with men."[51] The study added that "sex with men in the prior year was common, as were sexual practices between female partners that possibly could transmit HPV."[52]
· Lesbians have more male sex partners that their heterosexual counterparts. A study of sexually transmitted disease among lesbians reviewed in The Washington Blade notes: "Behavioral research also demonstrates that a woman's sexual identity is not an accurate predictor of behavior, with a large proportion of 'lesbian' women reporting sex with (often high risk) men."[53] The study found that "the median number of lifetime male sexual partners was significantly greater for WSW (women who have sex with women) than controls (twelve partners versus six). WSW were significantly more likely to report more than fifty lifetime male sexual partners."[54]
· A study in the American Journal of Public Health concurs that bisexual women are at increased risk for contracting sexually transmitted diseases: "Our findings corroborate the finding that wsmw (women who have sex with men and women) are more likely than WSMO (women who have sex with men only) to engage in various high-risk behaviors" and also "to engage in a greater number of risk-related behaviors."[55] The study suggested that the willingness to engage in risky sexual practices "could be tied to a pattern of sensation-seeking behavior."[56]
· MSM spread HIV to women. A five-year study by the CDC of 3,492 homosexuals aged fifteen to twenty-two found that one in six also had sex with women. Of those having sex with women, one-quarter "said they recently had unprotected sex with both men and women." Nearly 7 percent of the men in the study were HIV positive."[57] "The study confirms that young bisexual men are a 'bridge' for HIV transmission to women," said the CDC.[58]
"Exclusive" Lesbian Relationships Also at Risk. The assumption that lesbians involved in exclusive sexual relationships are at reduced risk for sexual disease is false. The journal Sexually Transmitted Infections concludes: "The risk behavior profile of exclusive WSW was similar to all WSW."[59] One reason for this is because lesbians "were significantly more likely to report past sexual contact with a homosexual or bisexual man and sexual contact with an IDU (intravenous drug user)."[60]
Cancer Risk Factors for Lesbians. Citing a 1999 report released by the Institute of Medicine, an arm of the National Academy of Sciences, the homosexual newspaper The Washington Blade notes that "various studies on Lesbian health suggest that certain cancer risk factors occur with greater frequency in this population. These factors include higher rates of smoking, alcohol use, poor diet, and being overweight."[61] Elsewhere the Blade also reports: "Some experts believe Lesbians might be more likely than women in general to develop breast or cervical cancer because a disproportionate number of them fall into high-risk categories."[62]
Sexually Transmitted Diseases Among Lesbians · In a study of the medical records of 1,408 lesbians, the journal Sexually Transmitted Infections found that women who have sexual relations with womenare at significantly higher risk for certain sexually transmitted diseases: "We demonstrated a higher prevalence of bv (bacterial vaginosis), hepatitis C, and HIV risk behaviors in WSW as compared with controls."[63]
Compulsive Behavior among Lesbians. A study published in Nursing Research found that lesbians are three times more likely to abuse alcohol and to suffer from other compulsive behaviors: "Like most problem drinkers, 32 (91 percent) of the participants had abused other drugs as well as alcohol, and many reported compulsive difficulties with food (34 percent), codependency (29 percent), sex (11 percent), and money (6 percent)." In addition, "Forty-six percent had been heavy drinkers with frequent drunkenness."[64]
Alcohol Abuse Among Homosexuals and Lesbians · The Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychologists reports that lesbian women consume alcohol more frequently, and in larger amounts, than heterosexual women.[65] Lesbians were at significantly greater risk than heterosexual women for both binge drinking (19.4 percent compared to 11.7 percent), and for heavy drinking (7 percent compared to 2.7 percent).[66]
· Although the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychologists article found no significant connection between male homosexuals and alcohol abuse, a study in Family Planning Perspective concluded that male homosexuals were at greatly increased risk for alcoholism: "Among men, by far the most important risk group consisted of homosexual and bisexual men, who were more than nine times as likely as heterosexual men to have a history of problem drinking."[67] The study noted that problem drinking may contribute to the "significantly higher STD rates among gay and bisexual men."[68]
Violence in Lesbian and Homosexual Relationships.
· A study in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence examined conflict and violence in lesbian relationships. The researchers found that 90 percent of the lesbians surveyed had been recipients of one or more acts of verbal aggression from their intimate partners during the year prior to this study, with 31 percent reporting one or more incidents of physical abuse.[69]
· In a survey of 1,099 lesbians, the Journal of Social Service Research found that "slightly more than half of the [lesbians] reported that they had been abused by a female lover/partner. The most frequently indicated forms of abuse were verbal/emotional/psychological abuse and combined physical-psychological abuse."[70]
· In their book Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence,D. Island and P. Letellier report that "the incidence of domestic violence among gay men is nearly double that in the heterosexual population."[71]
Compare the Low Rate of Intimate Partner Violence within Marriage. Homosexual and lesbian relationships are far more violent than are traditional married households:
· The Bureau of Justice Statistics (U.S. Department of Justice) reports that married women in traditional families experience the lowest rate of violence compared with women in other types of relationships.[72]
· A report by the Medical Institute for Sexual Health concurred,
It should be noted that most studies of family violence do not differentiate between married and unmarried partner status. Studies that do make these distinctions have found that marriage relationships tend to have the least intimate partner violence when compared to cohabiting or dating relationships.[73]
High Incidence of Mental Health Problems among Homosexuals and Lesbians. A national survey of lesbians published in the Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology found that 75 percent of the nearly 2,000 respondents had pursued psychological counseling of some kind, many for treatment of long-term depression or sadness:
Among the sample as a whole, there was a distressingly high prevalence of life events and behaviors related to mental health problems. Thirty-seven percent had been physically abused and 32 percent had been raped or sexually attacked. Nineteen percent had been involved in incestuous relationships while growing up. Almost one-third used tobacco on a daily basis and about 30 percent drank alcohol more than once a week; 6 percent drank daily. One in five smoked marijuana more than once a month. Twenty-one percent of the sample had thoughts about suicide sometimes or often and 18 percent had actually tried to kill themselves. . . . More than half had felt too nervous to accomplish ordinary activities at some time during the past year and over one-third had been depressed.[74] Greater Risk for Suicide.
· A study of twins that examined the relationship between homosexuality and suicide, published in the Archives of General Psychiatry,found that homosexuals with same-sex partners were at greater risk for overall mental health problems, and were 6.5 times more likely than their twins to have attempted suicide. The higher rate was not attributable to mental health or substance abuse disorders.[75]
· Another study published simultaneously in Archives of General Psychiatry followed 1,007 individuals from birth. Those classified as "gay," lesbian, or bisexual were significantly more likely to have had mental health problems.[76] Significantly, in his comments on the studies in the same issue of the journal, D. Bailey cautioned against various speculative explanations of the results, such as the view that "widespread prejudice against homosexual people causes them to be unhappy or worse, mentally ill."[77]
Reduced Life Span. A study published in the International Journal of Epidemiology on the mortality rates of homosexualsconcluded that they have a significantly reduced life expectancy:
In a major Canadian centre, life expectancy at age twentyfor gay and bisexual men is eight to twenty years less than for all men. If the same pattern of mortality were to continue, we estimate that nearly half of gay and bisexual men currently aged twenty years will not reach their sixty-fifth birthday. Under even the most liberal assumptions, gay and bisexual men in this urban centre are now experiencing a life expectancy similar to that experienced by all men in Canada in the year 1871.[78] In 1995, long after the deadly effects of AIDS and other stds became widely known, homosexual author Urvashi Vaid expressed one of the goals of her fellow activists: "We have an agenda to create a society in which homosexuality is regarded as healthy, natural, and normal. To me that is the most important agenda item."[79] Debilitating illness, chronic disease, psychological problems, and early death suffered by homosexuals is the legacy of this tragically misguided activism, which puts the furthering of an "agenda" above saving the lives of those whose interests they purport to represent.
Those who advocate full acceptance of homosexual behavior choose to downplay the growing and incontrovertible evidence regarding the serious, life-threatening health effects associated with the homosexual lifestyle. Homosexual advocacy groups have a moral duty to disseminate medical information that might dissuade individuals from entering or continuing in an inherently unhealthy and dangerous lifestyle. Education officials in particular have a duty to provide information regarding the negative health effects of homosexuality to students in their charge, whose very lives are put at risk by engaging in such behavior. Above all, civil society itself has an obligation to institute policies that promote the health and well-being of its citizens. --
END NOTES 1. Bill Roundy, "STD Rates on the Rise," New York Blade News, December 15, 2000, p. 1. 2. "Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea among Men Who Have Sex with Men--San Francisco, California, 1994-1997," Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention), January 29, 1999, p. 45. 3. Ibid. 4. Ulysses Torassa, "Some With HIV Aren't Disclosing Before Sex; UCSF Researcher's 1,397-person Study Presented During aids Conference," The San Francisco Examiner (July 15, 2000). 5. Jon Garbo, "Gay and Bi Men Less Likely to Disclose They Have HIV," GayHealth News (July 18, 2000). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/0/news?record=136. 6. Ibid. 7. Jon Garbo, "Risky Sex Common Among Gay Club and Bar Goers," GayHealth News (January 3, 2001). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/97863827496203.../ index.html?record=35. 8. "Bisexuals Serve as 'Bridge' Infecting Women With HIV," Reuters News Service (July 30, 2000). Available at: www.mb.com/ph/scty/2000%2D07/sc073004.asp. 9. A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp. 308, 9; see alsoBell, Weinberg and Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981). 10. Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354. Dr. Paul Van de Ven reiterated these results in a private conversation with Dr. Robert Gagnon on September 7, 2000. 11. "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January/February 1998, p. 20. 12. M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, edited by P. Aries and A. Bejin, pp. 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991), pp. 124, 25. 13. David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, 1984), pp. 252, 3. 14. M. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality (Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1973), p. 225; L.A. Peplau and H. Amaro, "Understanding Lesbian Relationships," in Homosexuality: Social, Psychological, and Biological Issues, edited byJ. Weinrich and W. Paul (Beverly Hills: Sage, 1982). 15. A.P.M. Coxon et al., "Sex Role Separation in Diaries of Homosexual Men," AIDS, July 1993, pp. 877-882. 16. G. J. Hart et al., "Risk Behaviour, Anti-HIV and Anti-Hepatitis B Core Prevalence in Clinic and Non-clinic Samples of Gay Men in England, 1991-1992," AIDS, July 1993, pp. 863-869, cited in "Homosexual Marriage: The Next Demand," Position Analysis paper by Colorado for Family Values, May 1994. 17. Bill Roundy, "STDs Up Among Gay Men: CDC Says Rise is Due to HIV Misperceptions," The Washington Blade (December 8, 2000). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/a. 18. Richard A. Zmuda, "Rising Rates of Anal Cancer for Gay Men," Cancer News (August 17, 2000). Available at: cancerlinksusa.com/cancernews_sm/Aug2000 /081700analcancer. 19. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer," The Washington Blade (June 2, 2000). Available at: www.washblade.com/health/000602hm. 20. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) September 4, 1998, p. 708. 21. "Viral Hepatitus B--Frequently Asked Questions," National Center for Infectious Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)September 29, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/b/faqb. 22. "Hepatitus C: Epidemiology: Transmission Modes" Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) 1998.Available at: www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis /c/edu/1/default.htm. 23. "Gonorrhea," Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers For Disease Control and Prevention) September, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/ Fact_Sheets/FactsGonorrhea.htm. 24. "Increases in Unsafe Sex and Rectal Gonorrhea." 25. Mortality and Morbidity Weekly Report (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) January 29, 1999, p. 48. 26. J. Vincelette et al., "Predicators of Chlamydial Infection and Gonorrhea among Patients Seen by Private Practitioners," Canadian Medical Association Journal 144 (1995): 713-721. 27. SPR Jebakumar et al., "Value of Screeningfor Oropharyngeal Chlamydia Trachomatis Infection," Journal of Clinical Pathology 48 (1995): 658-661. 28. "Some Facts about Syphilis," Division of Sexually Transmitted Diseases (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention)October 1999. Available at: www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/ Fact_Sheets/Syphilis_Facts. 29. 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"STD Treatment Guidelines." 37. Health Implications; See Morin, Anal Pleasure and Health, p. 220, 1. 38. Health Implications. 39. "Table 9. Male Adult/Adolescent AIDS Cases by Exposure Category and Race/Ethnicity, Reported through December 1999, United States," Centers for Disease Control and Prevention: Division of HIV/AIDS Prevention: available at: www/cdc.gov/hiv/stats/hasr1102/table9. 40. "HIV/AIDS Among US Women: Minority and Young Women at Continuing Risk," Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/women. 41. Ibid. 42. "Studies Point to Increased Risks of Anal Cancer." 43. "Young People at Risk: HIV/AIDS among America's Youth," Divisions of HIV/AIDS Prevention (Centers for Disease Control)November 14, 2000. Available at: www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/youth.htm. 44. Ibid. 45. Ibid. 46. 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Joanne Hall, "Lesbians Recovering from Alcoholic Problems: An Ethnographic Study of Health Care Expectations," Nursing Research 43 (1994): 238-244. 65. Peter Freiberg, "Study: Alcohol Use More Prevelent for Lesbians," The Washington Blade, January 12, 2001, p. 21. 66. Ibid. 67. Karen Paige Erickson, Karen F. Trocki, "Sex, Alcohol and Sexually Transmitted Diseases: A National Survey," Family Planning Perspectives 26 (December 1994): 261. 68. Ibid. 69. Lettie L. Lockhart et al., "Letting out the Secret: Violence in Lesbian Relationships," Journal of Interpersonal Violence 9 (December 1994): 469-492. 70. Gwat Yong Lie and Sabrina Gentlewarrier, "Intimate Violence in Lesbian Relationships: Discussion of Survey Findings and Practice Implications," Journal of Social Service Research 15 (1991): 41-59. 71. D. Island and P. Letellier, Men Who Beat the Men Who Love Them: Battered Gay Men and Domestic Violence (New York: Haworth Press, 1991), p. 14. 72. "Violence Between Intimates," Bureau of Justice Statistics Selected Findings, November 1994, p. 2. 73. Health Implications, p. 79. 74. J. Bradford, et al., "National Lesbian Health Care Survey: Implications for Mental Health Care," Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 62 (1994): 239, cited in Health Implications Associated with Homosexuality, p. 81. 75. R. Herrell, et al., "A Co-Twin Study in Adult Men," Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (1999): 867-874. 76. D. Fergusson, et al., "Is Sexual Orientation Related to Mental Health Problems and Suicidality in Young People?" Archives of General Psychiatry 56 (October 1999), p. 876-884. 77. Ibid. 78. Robert S. Hogg et al., "Modeling the Impact of HIV Disease on Mortality in Gay and Bisexual Men," International Journal of Epidemiology 26 (1997): 657. 79. Quoted in Gabriel Rotello, Sexual Ecology: AIDS and the Destiny of Gay Men (New York: Penguin Books, 1997), p. 286.
Brian Mailman - 09 Aug 2005 01:27 GMT (snip)
I know this fellow who hates himself as much as you hate yourself. He's got terrible stomach problems; acid reflux, ulcers, colitis, and the like. Poor fella produces so much acid he's dissolving himself slowly and painfully.
B/
Death - 09 Aug 2005 01:52 GMT "Brian Mailman" <bmailman@sfo.invalid> wrote in message
> (snip) > > I know this fellow who hates himself as much as you hate yourself. ... Why does every faggot hitchhiking down the Hershey Highway use the same ole tired bullshit line?
Does nambla have that in one of their handbooks of rote ?
Danny - 09 Aug 2005 02:40 GMT Dipshit wrote:
> Homosexuals Failing to Disclose Their HIV Status to Sex Partners > · A study presented July 13, 2000 at the XIII International aids Conference in Durban, South [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > homosexuals engaging in unprotected oral, anal, or vaginal sex failed to disclose that they > were HIV positive to casual sex partners.[5]
> END NOTES > 5. Jon Garbo, "Gay and Bi Men Less Likely to Disclose They Have HIV," GayHealth News (July 18, > 2000). Available at: www.gayhealth.com/templates/0/news?record=136. If we may return to this for a moment.
I am appalled at the recklessness of this behaviour and saddened that attempts to reign in this irresponsibility are presented as attempt to stigmatize HIV+ people.
The stats above indicate that 36% of HIV+ gay people in San Francisco during the period of the study failed to disclose their status to sex partners.
If one follows the link and navigates from there to the HIV disclosure survey one finds one of the questions:
9. In your opinion, a person who discloses that he/she has HIV gets turned down by potential sex partners:
All the time 14.0% Most of the time 47.0% Sometimes 26.8% Not very often 2.4% Rarely 1.8% Never 0.6% I'm not sure 7.3% (164 respondents)
Despite the small sample it becomes clear that the reason why these people do not disclose their status is because they are likely to be turned down for sex.
Non disclosure therefore relates to the need to have sex regardless of the consequences to the partner. This is a criminal act I maintain and should be treated as such.
Gary Stein - 09 Aug 2005 23:50 GMT > Dipshit wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > consequences to the partner. This is a criminal act I maintain and should > be treated as such. Sexual drive is highly complex and is a very difficult impulse to bring under rational mental control. How else does one explain the abortion rate in this country. There are multiple highly effective ways for either partner to prevent pregnancy yet tens of thousands of women experience unwanted pregnancies every year. Why do you suppose that happens? Should there be laws criminalizing it? If there were such laws would they significantly reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies?
The same question can be asked about STD's other then HIV. Again how do you explain the fact that most STD's are easily avoided yet the number of cases are in the millions each year in the US. There are laws regarding many STD's such as syphilis yet the rate seems to have remained remarkably stable over the last 30 years or so.
The only way to have any impact on all of these problems is to educate the general public in effective ways about the need for the use of condom every time period. By effective I am not talking about the simple safe sex message that has been used since the 1980's. The issue needs to be treated as the mental health issue that it is and addressed on an individually based level. Sex ed should be much more then the simple biology and be taught from 4th grade every year until college graduation.
With more nuanced and intensive curriculums with each passing year. People need to understand all of their personal sexual triggers and know both what sets them off and how to understand and thus control them. Issues of drug abuse, sexual stigmatization, body image, self esteem, societal bigotry and many more all play a role in peoples sexual behavior and without a through understanding of these issues most people are simply not equipped to behave completely rationally when it comes to there sexual decisions.
You might feel better if you could point to that evil HIV positive person who didn't disclose there status as the law breaker who infected you and thus try to believe that it was not your fault you didn't insist on the use of a condom but who's kidding who hear?
Don't get me wrong I feel it is morally indefensible for anyone who is HIV positive not to disclose there status prior to engaging in sex. I am HIV positive and I have never not disclosed my status. I found that practice to be beneficial in many ways to the point that I have always disclosed my status very early in the process of meeting new people. In that way I find out immediately, and before having invested any significant time or emotions into the relationship, if the person has a problem with HIV positive people. I would much rather get rejected during the first conversation then after weeks of dating and say just before engaging in sex for the first time.
That said do you disclose your sexual history to all your partners? If not why not, how else can they make a reasonable data based decision as to the STD risk you your self may present. If your saying anyone who knows they are HIV positive should by law have to disclose why not take it to the next and actually more rational and effective step. Pass a law requiring all people to keep a sexual activities log in the form of a online WIKI based format that is verified by and linked to the logs of there sexual partners and available to be viewed by any one contemplating a sexual relationship with them. That way even someone who has not yet tested positive but who has engaged in risky behavior would also disclose and frankly that is when the majority of HIV transmission takes place. People in the process of acute HIV infection which occurs shortly after they are them selves infected present a much higher risk of transmission then does someone who is under ARV treatment. I am not seriously proposing such a travesty but it would be the only way for a discloser law to have any real impact on the rate of HIV infection in this country.
Gary Stein
Danny - 10 Aug 2005 20:29 GMT > "Danny" <dan@jordan.org> wrote in message [snip]
>>Despite the small sample it becomes clear that the reason why these people >>do not disclose their status is because they are likely to be turned down [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Sexual drive is highly complex and is a very difficult impulse to bring > under rational mental control. Rape is a good example of this problem area.
> How else does one explain the abortion rate > in this country. Abortion is a response to unplanned or unwanted pregnancy.
> There are multiple highly effective ways for either partner > to prevent pregnancy yet tens of thousands of women experience unwanted > pregnancies every year. Why do you suppose that happens? Because unwanted pregnancies are easily "treated" by abortion?
> Should there be > laws criminalizing it? Why? She knows exactly what the risks are then she willingly has unprotected sex with a partner.
> If there were such laws would they significantly > reduce the number of unwanted pregnancies? Wrong analogy.
> The same question can be asked about STD's other then HIV. No, your logic is poor. It is obvious where you are leading.
> Again how do you > explain the fact that most STD's are easily avoided yet the number of cases > are in the millions each year in the US. There are laws regarding many STD's > such as syphilis yet the rate seems to have remained remarkably stable over > the last 30 years or so. Remarkably stable? Not the case with HIV you may conceed?
> The only way to have any impact on all of these problems is to educate the > general public in effective ways about the need for the use of condom every [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Sex ed should be much more then the simple biology and be taught from 4th > grade every year until college graduation. So lets put this in the context of HIV. You are saying that 99% of Americans need extensive education to protect them from the 1% HIV+ people in the wild? I think your logic is off somewhat.
> With more nuanced and intensive curriculums with each passing year. People > need to understand all of their personal sexual triggers and know both what [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > understanding of these issues most people are simply not equipped to behave > completely rationally when it comes to there sexual decisions. It makes no sense to go after the 99% when the target should be the 1% and those in their respective risk groups. More bang for the buck I would suggest.
> You might feel better if you could point to that evil HIV positive person > who didn't disclose there status as the law breaker who infected you and > thus try to believe that it was not your fault you didn't insist on the use > of a condom but who's kidding who hear? I don't feel better about anything. I'm HIV- and believe it to be criminal for HIV+ people not to disclose their status.
> Don't get me wrong I feel it is morally indefensible for anyone who is HIV > positive not to disclose there status prior to engaging in sex. I agree but would further state that I believe it to be a criminal act.
> I am HIV > positive and I have never not disclosed my status. IMO that makes you both moral and legal.
> I found that practice to > be beneficial in many ways to the point that I have always disclosed my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I would much rather get rejected during the first conversation then after > weeks of dating and say just before engaging in sex for the first time. And there I was thinking that it was a matter of principle for you as opposed th mere strategy.
> That said do you disclose your sexual history to all your partners? If not > why not, how else can they make a reasonable data based decision as to the > STD risk you your self may present. HIV- bubba, I am not risk to anyone but myself.
> If your saying anyone who knows they are > HIV positive should by law have to disclose why not take it to the next and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > available to be viewed by any one contemplating a sexual relationship with > them. Thats a silly idea.
> That way even someone who has not yet tested positive but who has > engaged in risky behavior would also disclose and frankly that is when the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > only way for a discloser law to have any real impact on the rate of HIV > infection in this country. I don't think so.
That said have you any idea what kind of stream of legislation will follow if and when the US HIV infection rate gets into double figures?
Brian Mailman - 10 Aug 2005 20:52 GMT > I don't feel better about anything. I'm HIV- and believe it to be > criminal for HIV+ people not to disclose their status. I think it's criminal for HIV- (possibly, you never know) people not to ask.
B/
Gary Stein - 09 Aug 2005 23:09 GMT And your point would be?
You will find similar health statistics for other minorities who face the types of discrimination experienced by the gay community. Inner city African Americans and Latinos have higher STD rates then do the general population just as this guy claims gays do.
That says more about the impact that being second class citizens has on minorities then it does about the individuals members of those minorities.
The bigots love to make the claim that gays are promiscuous sex fiends while in the next breath arguing that they have no rights to marriage or any other of the advantages that straight couples receive from the Federal and State Governments. So who should be blamed the gay population for reacting unhealthily to societies discrimination or the society itself for creating the conditions that lead to the behavior it is so happy to criticize.
Gary Stein
> August 8, 2005 > [quoted text clipped - 972 lines] > Men (New York: > Penguin Books, 1997), p. 286. GMCarter - 09 Aug 2005 23:46 GMT >And your point would be? He embraces hateful bullshit because he is suffering from a horrific mental disease that is characterized by small mindedness, racism, and homophobia, with clinical sequelae including uncontrolled rage, gastrointestinal trouble and often heart disease. Probably characterized by a swollen amygdala.
It's a condition without many identified treatments. Sadly, most of the victims don't realize how ill they really are.
George M. Carter
Death - 10 Aug 2005 01:07 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> He embraces hateful bullshit because he is suffering from a horrific > mental disease that is characterized by small mindedness, racism, and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It's a condition without many identified treatments. Sadly, most of > the victims don't realize how ill they really are. That is just about the kind of silly thing I expected from you. I post an article that reports on the behavior of faggots and the filthy diseases they carry, and I am the boogie man. LOL
Not a word from you about the acts that spread the disease.
Boi you sure have your priorities mixed up.
GMCarter - 10 Aug 2005 12:33 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> >That is just about the kind of silly thing I expected from you. Of course you'd call it silly, dear.
It describes you to a tee and that makes you uncomfortable. Perhaps a first step on the way to healing, but I doubt it.
I pity you.
George M. Carter
Death - 11 Aug 2005 03:23 GMT > >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > It describes you to a tee and that makes you uncomfortable. Perhaps a > first step on the way to healing, but I doubt it. I see you passed on condemning the practice of filthy faggots passing their filthy diseases again.
Attacking me, LOL, attack the people who murder with their vile diseases.
But then, that isn't what you are about is it?
GMCarter - 11 Aug 2005 13:09 GMT >I see you passed on condemning the practice of filthy faggots >passing their filthy diseases again. LOL...play your idiotic game of hate? I think not. Humans pass diseases. Generally unintentionally. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. Sexually transmitted diseases are spread among people of all sexual orientations.
>Attacking me, LOL, attack the people who murder with >their vile diseases. I'm not attacking you--but rather pointing out the obvious that you suffer from an incredibly dangerous disease. That disease of hate cause violence and death to be spread ALWAYS intentionally.
You thus represent a threat. Whether it is lynchings or gay bashings, emotional or psychological torture and cruelty--your disease is one of choice, one of INTENTIONAL consequences.
By contrast, it is much rarer that people INTENTIONALLY try to infect others. To the extent they do or are simply irresponsible, this is indeed reprehensible. And to some small degree maybe should be actionable.
Meantime--people who are not HIV-infected have means to prevent becoming infected, notably the condom.
But by FAR, your disease of racism and homophobia, continually spewed on this newsgroup is not only harmful to your psyche and results in your suffering needlessly--it can easily transmute into violence upon others and/or incite others to such violence.
>But then, that isn't what you are about is it? Yes, that's what I'm about.
George M. Carter
Death - 11 Aug 2005 15:23 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> Yes, that's what I'm about. Not one line in (all) of your postings support that statement.
GMCarter - 12 Aug 2005 10:49 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message >> >> Yes, that's what I'm about. >> >Not one line in (all) of your postings support that statement. Well, now ain't that a statement that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. But what does one expect from a bigot?
I hope you find healing--but expect you will die with bullshit on your lips, in your mind, poisoning your heart.
Death - 12 Aug 2005 19:02 GMT "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message
> "Death" <Death@yourdoor.net>wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Well, now ain't that a statement that makes absolutely no sense > whatsoever. But what does one expect from a bigot? My thoughts exactly when I read your statement. That is why I said not one line in all of your posting support that idea.
GMCarter - 12 Aug 2005 23:35 GMT >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >My thoughts exactly when I read your statement. Well, at least you realize you're a bigot! And that what you write doesn't make much sense!
Perhaps there is healing for you after all?
Death - 13 Aug 2005 17:02 GMT > >"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Well, at least you realize you're a bigot! And that what you write > doesn't make much sense! I'll attempt to use smaller words for you in the future.
Death - 10 Aug 2005 01:02 GMT "Gary Stein" <ge.stein@verizon.net> wrote in message
> And your point would be? > > You will find similar health statistics for other minorities who face the > types of discrimination experienced by the gay community. I see your point, you think sexual orientation is equivalent to being poor. LOL
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