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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / August 2005South African Hospitals Still Using Bangui Definition / Clinical Diagnosis (Not Testing)
Posted by Mark Zuhrbrigghen. Alex 01 Aug 2005 Hi Guys I have been asking some of the clinics in SA how they diagnose HIV and/or AIDS amongst patients who visit these ante-natal clinics and general clinics. My request always fell on deaf ears, until I asked my perfectly healthy cleaning lady to go to a clinic and present herself... She came back with a piece of paper asking the following questions (that would determine if she was HIV positive) and whether she had these for more than 3-weeks: Headache Can be cause by food inotlerances, dehydration, electrolyte imbalances and stress Sore Throat Can be caused by cold/flu Muscle & Joint Pains Can be caused by overly acidic diet, cold/flu, Marburg Fever, Lassa Fever and most African fevers Tiredness, Fatigue Can be caused again by ongoing stress, high cortisol levels, most flu and colds and fevers Persistent fever and night sweats Can be caused by diabetes, colds and fevers Chronic swelling of lymph glands Can be caused by Scarlet fever and most Africa fevers Diarrhoea with vomiting and nausea The list of endless, from food poisoning, Candida Albicans, food intolerances, etc Skin rashes Food intolerances, acidity, lack of essential fatty acids, high cortisol, etc....... Recurrent mouth ulcers and sores Food intolerances, stagnant water, mouth cuts, etc........ Difficulty swallowing Colds/flu and fevers. Shingles STRESS, high cortisol levels, suppressed immunity, etc. Chest infections with cough, chest pains, and fever These symptoms fit most fevers, pneumonia and even STRESS! What is interesting, that all these symptoms are also associated with MALNUTRITION, POVERTY, POOR SANITATION AND POOR HYGIENE. How many of these symptoms do not fit a myriad of other illnesses/diseases and fevers in Africa. Dysentry in itself can cause 50% of these symptoms. Diptheria can cause 60% of these symptoms. These symptoms are appararently part of the Bengui Definition adopted a few years ago in Africa. Therefore, a blood test is not necessary (how bloody laughable). In stead of spending 9 billion rand on an arms deal, test each and every single person in SA.... and ten re-access the HIV and AIDS stats... So based on these questions, will it be determined if you are HIV positive (without a blood test). Sincerely Mark B. Zuhrbrigghen Tel: +27 21 439-8901 - Home Office Hours: 08:00am-17:00pm P. O. Box 50499 Waterfront 8002 SOUTH AFRICA "Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFETHIS1@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message > Posted by Mark Zuhrbrigghen. > Alex > 01 Aug 2005 > Hi Guys > I have been asking some of the clinics in SA how they diagnose HIV and/or > AIDS amongst patients who visit these ante-natal clinics and general clinics. > My request always fell on deaf ears, until I asked my perfectly healthy cleaning > lady to go to a clinic and present herself... I spoke to Mark myself. His cleaning lady is not perfectly healthy. She is losing weight quite seriously. Mark and I discussed this and I pointed out that we have grave cause for concern if everything is simply being put down to AIDS and not being treated. I mentioned that many cancers for example have weight loss as a symptom and that it was critical for her sake and for others being treated by the clinic that we get to the bottom of this. Mark could not talk for long as he had to go out (he had phoned me back after I left a message). > She came back with a piece of paper asking the following questions (that > would determine if she was HIV positive) and whether she had these for > more than 3-weeks: > Headache Can be cause by food inotlerances, dehydration, electrolyte imbalances and stress > Sore Throat Can be caused by cold/flu [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Shingles STRESS, high cortisol levels, suppressed immunity, etc. > Chest infections with cough, chest pains, and fever I would be interested to see this piece of paper. I suspect it is a pamphlet listing some of the signs of untreated AIDS. > These symptoms fit most fevers, pneumonia and even STRESS! > What is interesting, that all these symptoms are also associated with > MALNUTRITION, POVERTY, POOR SANITATION AND > POOR HYGIENE. > How many of these symptoms do not fit a myriad of other illnesses/diseases > and fevers in Africa. Dysentry in itself can cause 50% of these symptoms. > Diptheria can cause 60% of these symptoms. > These symptoms are appararently part of the Bengui Definition adopted a few > years ago in Africa. Therefore, a blood test is not necessary (how bloody > laughable). In stead of spending 9 billion rand on an arms deal, test each > and every single person in SA.... and ten re-access the HIV and AIDS > stats... So based on these questions, will it be determined if you are HIV > positive (without a blood test). Mark was unable to tell me which clinic in Khayalitsha his domestic worker attended. I offered to take it up with the Department of Health because if what he says is true and that his domestic worker is being "diagnosed" with HIV based on one random sign, being that of weight loss, we have a travesty which needs urgent addressing. I am most concerned about this, because it is entirely contrary to official policy and entirely contrary to standard medical practices in any clinic in this country. > Sincerely > Mark B. Zuhrbrigghen > Tel: +27 21 439-8901 - Home Office Hours: 08:00am-17:00pm > P. O. Box 50499 Waterfront 8002 SOUTH AFRICA Mark made several attempts to tell me about the unreliability of HIV testing and the horrors of ARVs in addition to the story above. Mark Zuhrbrigghen has clearly got an anti-ARV bias together with the same "testing" bias that Alex has. -- Moira, the Faerie Godmother I hope my standard of living doesn't go up. I can't afford the one I have now. > "Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFETHIS1@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 144 lines] > Mark Zuhrbrigghen has clearly got an anti-ARV bias together with the > same "testing" bias that Alex has. Well done Moira, I believe you have exposed another lying bastard from the lunatic AIDS-dissident fringe. > "Alex" <avdeelen.REMOFETHIS1@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I spoke to Mark myself. His cleaning lady is not perfectly healthy. > She is losing weight quite seriously. So you're saying he's lying. Perhaps you should take that up with him. I hope this isn't one of those "don't read the Guardian" responses. I'll check back. Alex
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