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Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / September 2005

Beatriz Marinello is asking for a kidney

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Sam Sloan - 03 Aug 2005 16:22 GMT
At 10:35 AM 8/3/2005 -0400, Beatchess@aol.com wrote:

>Dear All:
>
>Since this is a limited list, I am taking the liberty to ask you for the
>following:
>
>I need to get a kidney transplant, if you know anyone who has a terminal
>illness or is willing to donate a kidney, this will mean a lot to me.  
>
>Thank you,
>
>Beatriz Marinello
jamesrynd@aol.com - 03 Aug 2005 19:48 GMT
She is asking because she needs one. What is wrong with that? Are you
implying she doesn't deserve to live?

A new low (which I never thought possible) for Sloan.
David Ames - 04 Aug 2005 02:59 GMT
> She is asking because she needs one. What is wrong with that? Are you
> implying she doesn't deserve to live?
>
> A new low (which I never thought possible) for Sloan.

He only passed on the information, without comment.  What need to
remark on his doing so?  What is low about lettinng Beatriz Marinello
speak for herself?  Are you a member of the Dump on Sam club?  Sheesh.

David Ames
jamesrynd@aol.com - 04 Aug 2005 03:51 GMT
Yes, Sam's posts, such as his calling for her ouster from the USCF,
have me convinced he has her best welfare at heart. If someone needs a
kidney to live, just think of what all his actions have had on her. If
you don't understand this, you are either a jackass or an uncaring son
of a .....

Forget it. If the million Gods of India worked on this one for
eterternity, your little monkey-brain still wouldn't get it.
David Ames - 04 Aug 2005 08:27 GMT
> Yes, Sam's posts, such as his calling for her ouster from the USCF,
> have me convinced he has her best welfare at heart. If someone needs a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Forget it. If the million Gods of India worked on this one for
> eterternity, your little monkey-brain still wouldn't get it.

The man passed on a message of distress.  What, if anything, you might
care to do about the woman's situation is up to you.  Instead you
impute an evil motivation to Sam Sloan and you impugn me for pointing
out your error.  When you point your finger at someone else, you have
three fingers pointing at yourself.

Will the REAL James Rynd please stand up and take a bow.  Thank you.
And another time, will you kindly note that YOUR unpleasantness (no one
else's) is beng posted not only to chess groups but also to
bit.listserv.transplant and misc.health.aids, where Sam Sloan's posting
history is NOT a point at issue.

David Ames
The REAL David Ames
jamesrynd@aol.com - 04 Aug 2005 09:03 GMT
Jeesh, you are correct. Sam is a paragon of virtue in this case. How
could I not have seen it? I suppose only the real have the vision to
see as clearly as you.

"Can you see the real me, can ya?"
                          -Peter Townshend

"Welcome to the desert.... of the real"
                          - Morpheus, The Matrix
Tyrone Slothrop - 04 Aug 2005 12:21 GMT
> Jeesh, you are correct. Sam is a paragon of virtue in this case. How
> could I not have seen it? I suppose only the real have the vision to
> see as clearly as you.

Have some heart James. Move this discussion to another thread. Don't
continue it in the one with that started with a message from a person
asking for a kidney donation.
Goran Tomic - 04 Aug 2005 21:40 GMT
"David Ames" <worldrecord@juno.com> wrote in message   When you point your
finger at someone else,

> Will the REAL James Rynd please stand up and take a bow. > David Ames
> The REAL David Ames

Dear David,
that man undersigned "James Rynd" is totally mad man. He thinks that he is
reincarnation of that famous player. He wrote it about year ago,(I can't
cite it, but he wrote in that sense). So, you wouldn't discuss with him
because he is mentally ill. That's the reason that you wouldn't attack his
"statements" because he is not normal. You would take it in consideration.

I'm very sorry about him, but I can't help him. So I'll never reply or write
to that mad man because it could hurt him. I would suggest you the same.
Don't attack that ill man. He needs only humanity and condolence!
David Ames - 04 Aug 2005 13:26 GMT
> "David Ames" <worldrecord@juno.com> wrote in message   When you point your
> finger at someone else,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> to that mad man because it could hurt him. I would suggest you the same.
> Don't attack that ill man. He needs only humanity and condolence!

I didn't attack *him*.  I did let him know that what he did was wrong.

But I am reminded of a story about a little old lady who was doing the
crossword puzzle on the train.  She started squirming and fidgeting and
the man next to her spoke up.  "Excuse me," he said, "are you
experiencing some kind of problem?"

"Oh, no," she answered, "it's just this foolish crossword puzzle.  The
clue says "Irksome man." It has four letters.  It begins with "T" and
ends with "D."

"Oh, I know that one," the other passenger offered.  "The word you want
is "TOAD."

The woman looked at her puzzle and realized, "That's it!  That's
exactly the word I want.  Thank you so much."

The man was able to go back to his personal matters, but after a couple
of minutes the woman started to squirm and fidget again.  "Excuse me,"
the man began.  "I'm not offering to do the puzzle for you, but I think
you may be having another problem with it?"

"Oh, it's not that," the little old lady told him.  "But do you have a
pencil with an eraser on it?"

David Ames
Robert Schuh - 10 Aug 2005 00:54 GMT
> Yes, Sam's posts, such as his calling for her ouster from the USCF,
> have me convinced he has her best welfare at heart. If someone needs a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Forget it. If the million Gods of India worked on this one for
> eterternity, your little monkey-brain still wouldn't get it.

Listen you ignorant f.ck, you know NOTHING about transplants. I don't know
who this bitch is, but if you need a transplant you either get on the list
or from a family member. Who is this twat to be asking the general public?
I spent 8.5 years on dialysis, so butch up a bit before you talk sh.t.

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
Robert Schuh - 10 Aug 2005 00:51 GMT
> She is asking because she needs one. What is wrong with that? Are you
> implying she doesn't deserve to live?
>
> A new low (which I never thought possible) for Sloan.

If she needs a kidney, then she should get on the list. You are a typical
AOL f.cking moron.

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
Sam Sloan - 10 Aug 2005 03:00 GMT
>> She is asking because she needs one. What is wrong with that? Are you
>> implying she doesn't deserve to live?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>If she needs a kidney, then she should get on the list. You are a typical
>AOL f.cking moron.

Beatriz has been diagnosed with Glomerulonephritis. This is a kidney
disease. It affects women more often than men.

Sam Sloan
Robert Schuh - 07 Sep 2005 19:53 GMT
> >> She is asking because she needs one. What is wrong with that? Are you
> >> implying she doesn't deserve to live?
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Sam Sloan

If she needs a new kidney, it makes sense that she has a kidney disease,
correct? That really is a moot point as EVERYONE needs to get on the
transplant list unless they have a living/related donor.

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
Susie - 07 Sep 2005 20:36 GMT
>> >> She is asking because she needs one. What is wrong with that? Are you
>> >> implying she doesn't deserve to live?
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> correct? That really is a moot point as EVERYONE needs to get on the
> transplant list unless they have a living/related donor.

I have the answer: George M. Carter has an extra kidney. Under the
extraordinary circumstances of his finances, he will donate one of his
kidneys for a cash donation to his organization FIAR.

Foundation for Integrative AIDS Research (FIAR)
Attn: George M. Carter, Director
62 Sterling Place, Suite 2
Brooklyn, NY 11217
Telephone: 718-622-0212
Tel/Fax: 718-622-4292
Email:fiar@verizon.net
parrthenon@cs.com - 05 Aug 2005 01:29 GMT
MEDICAL TOURISM IN MALAYSIA

Hi Beatriz -

I hope by this time you have been successful in finding a kidney
transplant!!!

I am immediately contacting authorities here is Florida in an effort
to get this on track.

If you want me to help, please let me have whatever info may be
important:

Your doctor,  blood type,  family connections  whatever else may help.

All best wishes,

Bob Smith, FL

   Well, yes, exactly.  Bob Smith is to be commended.  I know know of
noone over here in Malaysia, BUT BUT BUT:  Malaysia is a great
destination for medical tourism.  Quite a few people come here to have
operations because the facilities are good and the prices are
minuscule.

     A typical visit to a doctor over here costs about $3 to $15,
including medicine. I had a major operation over here several years ago
which would have run -- everything included -- to over $125,000. The
total bill was about $8,000 at a clean, modern hospital in Kuala
Lumpur.  That included three weeks in the hospital for recovery.

     If any of you have some niggling complaint not covered by
insurance. A friend  had a muscle constriction in the  middle finger of
his left  hand; an operation Stateside was about 10Gs, so he got a
cheap roundtrip ticket to Malaysia for $800 and stayed in a very nice
four-star hotel for about $50 a night, had his operation for  $400,
stayed 10 days and went  home after a lovely vacation, saving about
$7,000. Malaysia is the place to visit for medical tourism.There are
even tour packages.
The Historian - 06 Aug 2005 19:46 GMT
Robert Schuh - 10 Aug 2005 00:56 GMT
> MEDICAL TOURISM IN MALAYSIA
>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> $7,000. Malaysia is the place to visit for medical tourism.There are
> even tour packages.

Moron

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
Death - 10 Aug 2005 02:59 GMT
"Robert Schuh" <rschuh@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> Moron

Thanks for the chuckles Robert.

At least you are not among the mealy mouth c.nts
that frequent this group.
Robert Schuh - 10 Aug 2005 00:51 GMT
> At 10:35 AM 8/3/2005 -0400, Beatchess@aol.com wrote:
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> >
> >Beatriz Marinello

Who the f.ck cares? Tell her to get on the list like everyone else. a.shole.

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
chessdon - 07 Sep 2005 20:46 GMT
We have here a former President of an organization of 90,000 members.
Publicity among them about the need for a kidney for Beatriz could
create an understanding and need for more organ donors. If Beatriz can
get a kidney from one of our 90,000, it will no doubt instill others to
donate organs. I've seen presentations on what a donated organ can do
to not only save someone's life but also make the rest of their life
normal.

I for one am now motivated and will sign up to donate, when I die, my
organs. Let's see how many other rgcp debaters will do the same.
Everyone who does will make a wonderful contribution.

Incidently, some people don't do sign up as donors because of their
concern that if they are very ill, they may not receive the best
medical attention due to a hurried need for an organ. My understanding
is just the opposite. The conditions surrounding the death of a donor
are so closely examined that all the doctors involved will make
absolutely sure everything possible was done and no stone was left
unturned in saving or lengthening your life.
Rob - 07 Sep 2005 21:10 GMT
> We have here a former President of an organization of 90,000 members.
> Publicity among them about the need for a kidney for Beatriz could
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> absolutely sure everything possible was done and no stone was left
> unturned in saving or lengthening your life.

I was under the impression you could buy a kidney in China. Is that
true or an urban legend?
Rob
Catalan - 07 Sep 2005 22:59 GMT


> I was under the impression you could buy a kidney in China. Is that
> true or an urban legend?

In Central America this happens. Expensive but maybe with the money she
should get for her volunteer service to the USCF...
Mike Murray - 08 Sep 2005 00:36 GMT
>> I was under the impression you could buy a kidney in China. Is that
>> true or an urban legend?

>In Central America this happens. Expensive but maybe with the money she
>should get for her volunteer service to the USCF...

You gotta have ice, a bathtub and knock-out drops, don't ya?
Catalan - 07 Sep 2005 22:56 GMT


> I for one am now motivated and will sign up to donate, when I die, my
> organs.

And they're already preserved in alcohol. Couldn't resist.

This is an excellent endeavor for those who aren't concerned that if you're
rushed into an emergency ward, the doctors might let you go under when they
learn your organs are available.

As to donating a kidney, that would be a tough decision for even a close
family member. Not even sure if  I would be acceptable due to a service
related disease whereby I was told that I should no longer be a blood donor.
Leopold - 10 Sep 2005 01:38 GMT
Is this the Chessdon who wrote the book Chessdon??
Leopold

> We have here a former President of an organization of 90,000 members.
> Publicity among them about the need for a kidney for Beatriz could
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> absolutely sure everything possible was done and no stone was left
> unturned in saving or lengthening your life.
Catalan - 10 Sep 2005 01:49 GMT

You bet your grits.

> Is this the Chessdon who wrote the book Chessdon??
> Leopold
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>> absolutely sure everything possible was done and no stone was left
>> unturned in saving or lengthening your life.
chessdon - 10 Sep 2005 02:28 GMT
For information on what you need to do go to:

http://www.organdonor.gov/signup1.html

Also please let me know (chessdon@aol.com) or post here if you will do
this. High numbers will clearly be a great help and will be good
publicity for the chessworld. Most imprtant you will be saving a life.

So far we have two commits, my wife and me.
Leopold - 12 Sep 2005 02:43 GMT
You're a better man than me for volunteering. But I do like your book.
Leopold

> For information on what you need to do go to:
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> So far we have two commits, my wife and me.
Sam Sloan - 13 Sep 2005 08:27 GMT
>You're a better man than me for volunteering. But I do like your book.
>Leopold

Don did not offer to give Beatriz a kidney while he is alive, and in
view of his age I douubt that he would be considered a suitable donor
even if he did.

Don offered to donate his organs after he dies.

Sam Sloan
Jürgen R. - 13 Sep 2005 09:56 GMT
>>You're a better man than me for volunteering. But I do like your book.
>>Leopold
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>Sam Sloan

And I offer to donate both of Sam Sloan's kidneys.  
 
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