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la ignorancia es la fuerza - 14 Jun 2005 21:12 GMT
Today's San Antonio Express-News (Tue, 06-14-2005) newspaper had a local
adaptation of the national story that the number of Americans infected
with HIV has surpassed 1 million for the first time since the height of
the epidemic in the 1980s.  I was surprised, as I wasn't aware the
number of HIV+ Americans had ever declined since the beginning of the
epidemic.

Several officials hinted at what I've been saying for the longest time,
that the new effective drug treatments substantially increase the total
number of people the vector (err, "patient") infects before the virus
kills him.  Here are some selected passages from the article:

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"Medicines that weren't around in 1981 have allowed people infected with
the virus to live longer, said Dr. Ronald Valdiserri, deputy director of
the National Center for HIV, STD and TB Prevention at the National
Centers for Disease Control...'While treatment advances have been an
obvious godsend to those living with the disease, it presents new
challenges for prevention.'"

"Dr. Sandra Guerra-Cantu [medical chief of communicable diseases with
the San Antonio Metropolitan Health District] agreed better medical care
is keeping people with HIV alive longer.  If there's a downside, she
said, it's that new treatments increase the number of people capable of
spreading the infection to others...'Part of what happens with people
living longer, more productive lives is they also engage in sexual
activities, which is part of normal, human behavior when you feel
healthy.  That increases the risk of other people being exposed to
someone who is HIV-positive,' she said."
RamRod Sword of Baal - 14 Jun 2005 21:53 GMT
> Today's San Antonio Express-News (Tue, 06-14-2005) newspaper had a local
> adaptation of the national story that the number of Americans infected
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> number of people the vector (err, "patient") infects before the virus
> kills him.  Here are some selected passages from the article:

Here are a few things to think about

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05165/521215.stm

The CDC estimates that the overall rate of infection is relatively stable,
with about 40,000 new cases reported each year.

Men who have sex with men accounted for 45 percent of those living with HIV

http://www.foxreno.com/news/4603867/detail.html

The latest numbers, from 2003, indicate gay and bisexual men make up 45
percent of those living with HIV

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Now this is quite a way down from the bad days when I think it was around
80% were males who had sex with men.

Also the infection rate being more or less stable according to the CDC, it
means the increase of people living with HIV/AIDS is simply because those
infected are living longer, not because they are living longer and infecting
more people, if that were the case it would be a big increase in the
infection rate.

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> "Medicines that weren't around in 1981 have allowed people infected with
> the virus to live longer, said Dr. Ronald Valdiserri, deputy director of
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> healthy.  That increases the risk of other people being exposed to
> someone who is HIV-positive,' she said."
la ignorancia es la fuerza - 14 Jun 2005 23:32 GMT
"RamRod Sword of Baal" <RamRod Sword of Baal @truthonly.com> wrote in message...
> Now this is quite a way down from the bad days when I think it was around
> 80% were males who had sex with men.

But the MSM infection rate didn't decline that I'm aware of, simply that the
number of non-MSM infections increased.

> Also the infection rate being more or less stable according to the CDC, it
> means the increase of people living with HIV/AIDS is simply because those
> infected are living longer, not because they are living longer and infecting
> more people, if that were the case it would be a big increase in the
> infection rate.

And I've been questioning the CDC numbers, I believe they are manipulated to
conceal the fact that the infection rate IS increasing.  I've used my stupid
crackwhore of a brother as an example, I saw absolutely no difference in his
lifestyle before he tested HIV+ as after - he is still out there at the same
goddamn gay bar night after night after night, week after week, month after
month, year after year, picking up gawd knows how many pieces of disco sex
trash for uninformed, unprotected sex.  Something is not right about the
vague reference to the "stable" new infection rate (I had read 40,000 each
year since the early-1990s).  Nowhere have I actually found a chart showing
the actual number of new infections for each of those years, plus the
article mentioned critics who believed many more people were carrying the
virus than had actually been tested and diagnosed positive.  Oh, and my
evidence is the increasing number of NEW infections that are already
resistant to one or more anti-HIV drugs, surely proof that those who KNOW
they have the virus (because they are taking HIV medications, duh) are
engaging in unprotected sex and transmitting it to others.  Check it out,
but don't expect the CDC to tell you how many such cases there are.
Death - 15 Jun 2005 00:08 GMT
"la ignorancia es la fuerza" <bb@minitrue.gov> wrote in message

>  Here are some selected passages from the article:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> healthy.  That increases the risk of other people being exposed to
> someone who is HIV-positive,' she said."

I would she had said something about the retrovirus
changing with each reinfection of the infected.

The newly infected are double f.cked
with no cure in sight.

see my post, re niggers and faggots posted during lunch.
la ignorancia es la fuerza - 17 Jun 2005 06:09 GMT
"Death" <Death@yourdoor.net> wrote...
> I would she had said something about the retrovirus
> changing with each reinfection of the infected.

Yeah, it is pretty amazing how the virus does it, but bacteria also do
it.  Viruses are essentially organic machines made of interchangeable
parts.  You can't really "kill" a virus, first of all it's not really
alive and second it can reconstitute itself if damaged.  Or rather,
you can chop up a virus into nonfunctional components, inject them
into the bloodstream, and just by chance (?) the interchangeable
components can relink to form a functional virus, or perhaps a
completely new virus (the origin of SARS?).

In the case of HIV, there are maybe half a dozen (?) strains, each with
unique characteristics and resistance to particular drugs.  So HIV1
is resistant to only Drug X and HIV2 is resistant to only Drug Y;
Patient Z picked up Brian who infected him with HIV1, and a few months
later Patient Z picked up Justin who infected him with HIV2.  Patient
Z then goes on to infect Ben with the new strain resistant to both Drugs
X and Y and Ben contracts HIV3/W from Michael and so on...

One final thing to consider regarding all this... Not too long ago
scientists discovered that viruses can actually transmit segments of
its host's DNA between entire species.  I think the article said
entire genes can be transferred between species this way, and I think
it also said they've observed entire chromosomes being transferred.
The implications for evolution are enormous, viruses being not a
threat to life but actually an essential part of the evolutionary
process.
Alex - 15 Jun 2005 08:53 GMT
Yes, and "most of them don't know they are infected".

Alex
PaulKing - 16 Jun 2005 22:24 GMT
Funny, that is exactly the same figure the CDC claimed in 1993.

Nonsense then, nonsense now.
 
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