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TOLUENE USED IN CONDOM MANUFACTURE

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PaulKing - 15 May 2005 02:52 GMT
Common Name: TOLUENE
CAS Number: 108-88-3
DOT Number: UN 1294
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HAZARD SUMMARY
* Toluene can affect you when breathed in and by passing through your
skin.

* Toluene should be handled as a TERATOGEN--WITH
EXTREME CAUTION.

* It may damage the developing fetus.

* Contact can irritate the skin and eyes.

* Breathing Toluene can irritate the nose and throat causing coughing and
wheezing.

* Exposure to Toluene can affect the nervous system causing trouble
concentrating, headaches and slowed reflexes.

Higher levels can cause you to feel dizzy, lightheaded, and to pass out.
Death may occur.

* Prolonged contact can cause drying of the skin and a skin rash.

* Repeated Toluene exposure may cause liver, kidney and brain damage.
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 15 May 2005 08:32 GMT
>TERATOGEN ...  may damage the developing fetus ...  can irritate the
>skin and eyes ... coughing and wheezing ...  trouble concentrating,
>headaches and slowed reflexes ...  feel dizzy, lightheaded, and to
>pass out.  Death may occur ...  drying of the skin and a skin rash ...
>liver, kidney and brain damage.

How much toluene exposure does it take to produce each of the above
effects?  How much toluene exposure, if any, results from typical
condom use?  Provide citations.

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David Canzi

PaulKing - 16 May 2005 06:31 GMT
I agree with you. The problem is that almost no studies have been done.

The subject is politically incorrect and so ingnored.

The amount of both Toluene and Benzene is clearly enough for alarm (and
these are only two of over a hundred FDA listed toxins in condoms) and
should be researched by an independent body.

If it is found safe all well and good. I don't think that would be the
case but in any case we all have a right to know.

Condoms have too many carcinogens, teratogens and toxins to simply be
considered safe without any real research.

The few studies done so far (such as the one just done in Germany) have
indicated that a serious and  'potentially life threatening' risk exists.

This warning cannot be simply brushed aside because it is not what the
establishment wants to hear.
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 16 May 2005 20:09 GMT
>I agree with you.

I asked questions.  You don't agree with questions, you answer them,
if you can.  I gather, from your bizarre evasion above, that you can't.

>The amount of both Toluene and Benzene is clearly enough for alarm

No, Murky Mark, it isn't clear.  There is no evidence that you know
how much, if any, toluene or benzene exposure results from condom
use, and how much exposure would be a cause for concern.  You have
been asked repeatedly to provide such information, with citations,
and you respond with evasions and distractions.

You don't know, you don't care, but you really really really want
other people to believe.  You're bullshitting.

>these are only two of over a hundred FDA listed toxins in condoms

One hundred vaporous non-quantitative citation-free claims of danger
due to condom use are no more threatening than one or two.

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David Canzi

PaulKing - 17 May 2005 05:55 GMT
The evidence is very clear.

Condoms contain FDA listed carcinogens, teratogens and toxins in
substantial quantities.

A major German study has said they pose o 'life threatening risk'.

18 million Americans now suffer from latex allergies and many have died.

The FDA have stated that under 1% of latex deaths are reported.

Anal cancer has vastly increased since the widespread use of condoms.

Hundreds of studies have linked condoms with a number of serious
conditions.

THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR - CONDOMS KILL.
GMCarter - 17 May 2005 11:04 GMT
>The evidence is very clear.
>
>Condoms contain FDA listed carcinogens, teratogens and toxins in
>substantial quantities.

"Substantial" is something you made up. You claimed they contained
nitrosamines which would kill people. The data refute this (see
below). The amounts of such chemicals are FAR more worrisome from
other sources than condoms.

You are so sadly deranged that you will make a conspiracy out of tiny
risks related to condoms while ignoring the mountains of data that
show HIV exists and, unfortunately, causes AIDS.

>A major German study has said they pose o 'life threatening risk'.

What study? The study below shows NO risk.

>18 million Americans now suffer from latex allergies and many have died.

That have little or NOTHING to do with condoms--and I don't trust the
number. Many of them are people suffierng from spina bifida.

>The FDA have stated that under 1% of latex deaths are reported.
>
>Anal cancer has vastly increased since the widespread use of condoms.

That's related to HPV. Not condoms.

>Hundreds of studies have linked condoms with a number of serious
>conditions.

Bullshit.

>THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR - CONDOMS KILL.

The evidence of anything here is you're a deluded f.ck.

        George M. Carter

**
Proksch E. Toxicological evaluation of nitrosamines in condoms. Int J
Hyg Environ Health. 2001 Nov;204(2-3):103-10.

Klinik fur Dermatologie, Venerologie und Allergologie, Universitat
Kiel, Schittenhelmstr. 7, D-24105 Kiel, Germany.
eproksch@dermatology.uni-kiel.de

   Volatile N-nitrosamines have been found in rubber products
including gloves, balloons, toys, baby bottle teats, soothers, and
condoms. N-Nitrosamines are potent carcinogens, and therefore,
European legislation has limited the release of N-nitrosamines and
N-nitrosatable compounds in teats and soothers to 0.01-0.1 mg/kg
rubber, respectively. Previously, endogenous nitrosamine formation in
the vagina has been suggested as a cause of cervical cancer. It was
speculated that exogenous N-nitrosamines and N-nitrosatable compounds
from condoms may also lead to genital cancer. Therefore, we reviewed
the literature and calculated the risk for the induction of tumors by
nitrosamines from condoms. In vitro Biaudet et al. (1997) found up to
88 ng nitrosatable compounds migrating from condoms to cervical mucous
within 24 hrs. During sexual intercourse about 0.6 ng may migrate in
the female genital mucous membranes because of the short contact to
the condom, e.g. 10 min. Comparable amounts of nitrosamines may also
migrate in the penile skin. Estimating 1500 contacts to condoms during
lifetime (50 condoms/year for 30 years) this may result in the
adsorption of up to 0.9 microgram nitrosamines in total. Animal
studies in Syrian hamsters showed the induction of local and/or
systemic tumors, in particular liver tumors, after topical application
of nitrosamines to the skin or mucous membrane at a total dose of
about 1 g. This dose exceeds the dose to be expected from contact with
condoms by more than 1 million. Also, epidemiological studies do not
support a role for condoms in the induction of cancer. The incidence
of cervical cancer and liver tumors is high in developing countries,
where condoms are seldom used. In addition, humans are regularly
exposed to nitrosamines from food and tobacco smoke at a dose which is
1,000 to 10,000 fold higher than expected from condom use. In summary,
the risk for the induction of tumors from nitrosamines in condoms is
very low.

**
Kirkman R, Chantler E. Contraception and the prevention of sexually
transmitted diseases. Br Med Bull. 1993 Jan;49(1):171-81.

Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, University of Manchester,
UK.

   Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) are a major cause of ill
health in women and their sexual partners and children. Contraceptive
methods alter in various ways the risk of acquiring STD but assessment
of the odds ratio is difficult due to the many confounding factors.
Spermicides have been reported to kill a wide range of bacteria and
viruses including HIV in vitro and to protect in vivo from infection
by gonorrhoea, chlamydia and pelvic inflammatory disease (organisms
unspecified). Spermicides will not cure pre-existing infections.
Condoms and diaphragms will give some protection from bacterial and
viral infections in all parts of the genital tract. Hormonal
contraception and tubal ligation give protection to the upper genital
tract but not the cervix. Carcinoma of the cervix follows the same
pattern as STDs. The risk of pelvic infection in intrauterine device
users is discussed in the chapter by Bromham (pp 100-123, this issue).

   PIP: Spermicides kill a wide range of bacteria and viruses causing
sexually transmitted diseases (STDs), including the human
immunodeficiency virus (HIV) in vitro, and protect in vivo from
infection by gonorrhoea, chlamydia, and pelvic inflammatory disease
(PID). In the UK and the US, the most commonly used compound in
spermicidal agents is the neutral surfactant nonoxynol-9. Although
spermicides reduce the incidence of reinfection by some STDs, an in
vivo virucidal action is not supported by convincing data. Among
barrier methods, latex condoms provide an impervious barrier in vitro
to most STD pathogens, including HIV. Natural condoms made of sheep
intestinal membrane can allow passage of hepatitis B viral particles
but not HIV in vitro. Several studies have shown protection against
cervical gonorrhoea and PID among diaphragm users; however, diaphragm
use has been associated with an increased rate of urinary infection
and also bacterial vaginosis. It is conceivable that women using oral
contraceptives (OCs) do not develop as much tubal damage as women not
using OCs because of a modified immunological reaction. A study
carried out in Europe showed a statistically significant protective
effect against PID of the levonorgestrel-containing IUD as compared
with the copper-containing Nova-T. A case/control study of 1028 women
in Chicago in 1970 noted admission for PID during the following 7
years of only 1 woman who had been sterilized compared to 9 controls.
A case/control study examining risk factors for cervical
intraepithelial neoplasia (CIN) in 103 women with biopsy-confirmed CIN
II or III did not find an increased risk with either OC or IUD use
after adjusting for other known risk factors. After adjustment for age
and education, the odds ratio for diaphragm use was .3 and the odds
ratio for condom use was .5. Thus, hormonal contraception and tubal
ligation give protection to the upper genital tract but not to the
cervix.

**
Shepherd J, Weston R, Peersman G, Napuli IZ. Interventions for
encouraging sexual lifestyles and behaviours intended to prevent
cervical cancer. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2000;(2):CD001035.

NCCHTA, Wessex Institute for Health Research and Development,
University of Southampton, Boldrewood, Bassett Crescent East,
Southampton, Hants, UK, SO16 7PX. jps@soton.ac.uk

   BACKGROUND: Cervical cancer is one of the most common cancers
affecting women world-wide. Prevention falls into two main categories
- primary and secondary. Primary prevention is characterised by health
promotion to promote lifestyles and behaviours minimising risk of
cervical cancer. Interventions to promote the use of condoms for
sexual intercourse (especially early intercourse amongst young women),
sexual partner reduction, and negotiated safer sex strategies has been
recommended as one approach to limit the spread of Human Papilloma
Virus (HPV), one of the major risk factors for cervical cancer.
OBJECTIVES: To determine the effectiveness of health education
interventions to promote sexual risk reduction behaviours amongst
women in order to reduce transmission of HPV. SEARCH STRATEGY:
Electronic searching of EMBASE, ERIC, MEDLINE, PsycLIT, Social Science
Citation Index and the CCTR were undertaken using a highly sensitive
search strategy. Hand-searching took place of selected journals and
reference lists. SELECTION CRITERIA: Studies were included if they
evaluated educational interventions targeting women only, and measured
the impact on : either a behavioural outcome such as condom use for
sexual intercourse, partner reduction, or abstinence; or a clinical
outcome such as incidence of a sexually transmitted disease (STD).
DATA COLLECTION AND ANALYSIS: Data were extracted and methodological
quality was assessed independently by two reviewers and any
discrepancies were resolved between them. Ten per cent of the total
number of studies were reviewed additionally by a third reviewer as a
quality check and differences in judgement were resolved accordingly.
MAIN RESULTS: Thirty trials met the inclusion criteria for the review.
All of them had the primary aim of preventing HIV and other STDs
rather than cervical cancer. Four core methodological qualities were
present in 10 of the 30 studies and constitute the subset from which
potentially reliable conclusions may be drawn. Each of the 10 studies
showed a statistically significant positive effect on sexual risk
reduction, typically with increased use of condoms for vaginal
intercourse. This positive effect was generally sustained up to three
months after intervention. REVIEWER'S CONCLUSIONS: Educational
interventions targeting socially and economically disadvantaged women
in which information provision is complemented by sexual negotiation
skill development can encourage at least short-term sexual risk
reduction behaviour. This has the potential to reduce the transmission
of HPV, thus possibly reduce the incidence of cervical carcinoma.
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 18 May 2005 00:51 GMT
>The evidence is very clear.

A claim that the evidence is clear is not evidence.

>Condoms contain FDA listed carcinogens, teratogens and toxins in
>substantial quantities.

How much does "substantial" mean in nanograms or picograms?
What diseases can result, and with what probability?  If you can't
answer these questions, you're not saying anything significant.

>A major German study has said they pose o 'life threatening risk'.

Provide a link to the article and to an English translation.

>18 million Americans now suffer from latex allergies and many have died.
>
>The FDA have stated that under 1% of latex deaths are reported.

An article you quoted from, after discussion various results of
allergic reactions, including death, said 1% of *occurrences*
are reported, not 1% of deaths.

>Anal cancer has vastly increased since the widespread use of condoms.

You once posted figures showing more anal cancer in gay men than
in straight men.  That doesn't establish, or even suggest, a role
for condoms.

>Hundreds of studies have linked condoms with a number of serious
>conditions.

Vapor.

>THE EVIDENCE IS CLEAR - CONDOMS KILL.

IF I SAY IT REAL LOUD IT'S TRUE.

If you had good arguments, you would be posting only them.  You would
not be posting hundreds of articles containing logical fallacies and
claims without citations.

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David Canzi

PaulKing - 17 May 2005 05:56 GMT
Latex

Natural rubber latex (NRL) has emerged over the last decade as an
increasingly common trigger for anaphylaxis-producing allergies. It is
found in a wide range of manufactured goods, including an estimated 40,000
common household items. Latex allergies now affect an estimated 1% to 6%
of the U.S. population and the reasons for the increase in incidence can
be attributed to biohazard precautions and manufacturing changes.1-3

Latex allergy is an allergic sensitivity to the proteins in NRL that often
worsens with each exposure, a phenomenon known as allergic sensitization.
Allergic reactions to latex can range from moderate skin irritations to
life-threatening anaphylaxis.

You may be interested in learning more about latex allergies including
information on variations in severity, who is at risk, and prevention and
treatment.

Reasons for Increased Incidence

Prior to the 1980s, reactions to latex were virtually unknown in the
United States. Now, recent estimates put the incidence of latex
sensitivity or allergy among the general U.S. population at between 1% and
6%, or up to 16 million people.1-3

Reasons for the increase in latex allergy incidence include:

*    Biohazard precautions
*    Manufacturing changes

Biohazard precautions
It is commonly acknowledged that the sudden, large-scale increase in latex
glove use by health care workers since the 1980s lies at the heart of the
growing problem of latex allergy. As health care workers sought to protect
themselves from AIDS and other blood-borne diseases, latex glove use
became virtually universal in hospitals and other medical and dental
facilities. Patients, and especially health care workers, were exposed to
more latex than ever before and many have become sensitized to it.

Manufacturing changes
To keep up with increased demand, manufacturers sped up their processes
and resorted to lower quality latex, both of which have resulted in latex
products with higher levels of the protein that can trigger allergic
reactions.

Definition

Latex allergy is an allergic sensitivity to the proteins in natural rubber
latex (NRL) that often worsens with each exposure and at its most severe
can result in deadly anaphylaxis. Unlike synthetic latex, which rarely
causes allergic reactions, NRL comes from the milky sap of rubber trees.
Using various processing techniques, NRL is used alone or in combination
with other materials to make thousands of products including:

*    Car tires
*    Rubber bands
*    Elastic
*    Carpet backing
*    Hospital and dental equipment

Dipped latex products are the biggest culprits in triggering allergic
reactions, including:

*    Gloves
*    Balloons
*    Condoms

Allergic Sensitization

Sensitization occurs when exposure to latex proteins causes the body's
immune system to develop antibodies to these proteins. Because the body
perceives the latex protein as a threatening foreign substance, it
prepares to launch a defense against it in future encounters using the
antibodies it has created. Therefore, people may have been sensitized to
latex without yet showing external allergic symptoms. They are, however,
at risk of becoming increasingly sensitized and eventually symptomatic if
exposure to latex continues.

Sensitization refers to an increasingly strong allergic reaction to the
same amount of allergen over time.

Antibodies are proteins that help the body to identify specific foreign
invaders to the body, such as latex and other allergens.

Reactions to Latex

Because latex can cause local skin irritation, or dermatitis, as well as
more severe allergic reactions, it is important to distinguish between
these so that symptoms of potentially fatal allergic reactions are
recognized and treated, and proper precautions against future reactions
are taken.

Dermatitis
Two types of skin irritations, or dermatitis, are common among frequent
users of latex products, particularly glove-wearing health care workers:

*    Irritant-contact dermatitis
Raw, inflamed, even blistered skin that can also be caused by frequent
hand washing, wearing nonbreathable gloves, and exposure to irritating
chemicals.

*    Allergic-contact dermatitis (delayed hypersensitivity)
Allergic reactions that result in a delayed skin rash is similar to that
caused by poison ivy. In contrast to systemic latex allergy, antibodies
are not involved to cause an immediate allergic reaction. Because these
reactions may be caused by the chemicals used in producing latex rather
than by the latex itself, changing to a different brand of latex products
that uses different processing chemicals may clear up the reaction.

While annoying, dermatitis reactions are not dangerous per se, nor
necessarily directly related to latex. There can, however, be progression
from dermatitis to latex allergy. Severe skin irritation can make a person
more susceptible to developing an allergic hypersensitivity to latex
because the skin no longer protects more sensitive internal tissues of the
body, which are more vulnerable to sensitization.

Latex allergy (immediate hypersensitivity)
True latex allergy occurs when the body's immune system becomes sensitized
to latex proteins, usually over the course of repeated exposure. As a
result of sensitization, the immune system overreacts to latex as a
hostile intruder.

Allergic symptoms range from irritating to life threatening, becoming
progressively worse with repeated exposure. Allergic symptoms include the
following, and may occur singly or in combination:

*    Itchy rashes, hives
*    Nasal congestion (rhinitis)
*    Swelling, especially around the nose, mouth, and throat
*    Eye irritation or conjunctivitis
*    Respiratory problems, including asthma and rhinoconjunctivitis

Full-blown anaphylaxis, which can include any of the above, can cause
death through suffocation or a severe drop in blood pressure.

Asthma is a condition in which the airways narrow due to an allergic
hypersensitivity.

Rhinoconjunctivitis is an allergic condition common in children during the
pollen season that is characterized by sneezing, runny nose, and nasal
congestion.

Since it's impossible to predict when an allergic reaction might escalate
into deadly anaphylaxis, and because it can take only minutes to do so,
it's important to take even seemingly mild allergic reactions seriously.
Thus, those who have experienced allergic symptoms in response to latex
should avoid further contact with it and consult their physicians about
carrying self-injectable epinephrine with them for anaphylactic
emergencies.

References

1.    Ownby DR, Ownby HE, et al. The prevalence of anti-latex IgE antibodies
in 1000 volunteer blood donors. J Allergy Clinl Immunol.
1996;97:1188-1192.
 
2.    Kelly KJ, Sussman G, Fink JN. Stop the sensitization. J Allergy Clin
Immunol. 1996;98:857-858.
 
3.    Arellano R, Bradley J, Sussman G. Prevalence of latex sensitization
among hospital physicians occupationally exposed to latex gloves.
Anesthesiology. 1992;77:905-908.
GMCarter - 17 May 2005 11:06 GMT
>Latex

Uncited report -- but it doesn't support your delusions about the role
of condoms in the development of latex allergies. To the contrary: "It
is commonly acknowledged that the sudden, large-scale increase in
latex glove use by health care workers since the 1980s lies at the
heart of the growing problem of latex allergy."

Clearly, this IS important for people with such allergies.
Polyurethane (plastic) condoms serve as an alternative.

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 17 May 2005 05:56 GMT
THE FDA SAYS ONLY 1% OF LATEX DEATHS ARE REPORTED

Delayed contact dermatitis from chemicals in rubber has been recognized
since the 1930s.4 But except for rare early reports, clinicians did not
appreciate systemic allergic reactions to latex proteins until 1979, when
case reports began to appear in Europe. 5

Latex allergy erupted in the United States shortly after the Centers for
Disease Control introduced universal precautions in 1987. By late 1992,
the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) received 1133 reports of serious
allergic reactions and anaphylaxis occurring to patients and health care
staff associated with 30 classes of latex medical devices. There were 15
patient deaths associated with latex barium enema catheters.5,6

The FDA estimated that the reports represented only 1% of actual
occurrences.6

Today, researchers hypothesize that the latex allergy outbreak is the
result of multiple factors including deficiencies in manufacturing
processes, increased latex exposure, hand care practices, immunological
cross reactivity, and changes in latex agricultural practices.1,7,8, 45

Latex allergy affects between 8%-12% of workers in all health disciplines.
Latex allergy also affects up to 51% of children with spina bifida, and
approximately 1% of the general population.

http://www.nursingworld.org/readroom/position/workplac/wklatex.htm

____________

New US government website attacked for comments on sexuality and
effectiveness of condoms

The wording of information about condoms on the site is also potentially
misleading (they mean factual). US abstinence education programmes usually
only mention condoms when referring to their potential for failure.

The 4parents.com site suggests that condoms offer only “moderate”
protection against HIV and gonorrhoea, “less” protection against
Chlamidya, herpes and human papilloma virus, and that the ability of
condoms to protect against syphilis “has not been well studied.” Although
these claims are backed by reference to studies looking at the
effectiveness of condoms, they do not acknowledge that the studies were,
almost exclusively, conducted in populations with a high prevalence, or
risk of sexually transmitted infections.

____

The rest of the article (attacking the new semi honest official statements
on condoms) is a pathetic attempt to defend condoms citing the one and
only study (if you can call it that) conducted over twelve years ago that
claimed that condoms reduced 'AIDS' in the 132 couples studied. As usual
the 'conclusions' section of that report which said 'in real world use
condoms failed up to 32% of the time' was ignored.

This study has been contradicted by ALL the 400 subsequent studies almost
without exception.

________

Do Condoms Protect Against Small Viruses?

The use of condoms is widely recommended to prevent sexually transmitted
diseases, including those caused by such viruses as herpes simplex,
hepatitis B, and human immunodeficiency virus (HIV). The efficacy of
condoms in these circumstances, however, is unknown.

The water-leak test used to ensure the integrity of condoms can detect
holes as small as 3 to 4 m in diameter, but sexually transmitted viruses
are much smaller, with diameters of 0.04 to 0.15 m. A previous study
demonstrated that about one third of condoms tested allowed penetration of
HIV-sized polystyrene spheres.

________

Condom Use Linked to Risk of Preeclampsia

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/433419?srcmp=wh-051002

LOS ANGELES (Reuters Health) May 09 - Women who are not exposed to a
partner's sperm prior to pregnancy because the couple used condoms may be
at increased risk for developing preeclampsia, a new study presented here
concludes.

The findings suggest that when the uterus is repeatedly exposed to sperm,
a woman's immune system may become accustomed to this "foreign" genetic
material, said Dr. Jon I. Einarsson, an obstetrician/gynecologist at
Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.

However, when a woman's body has only recently been introduced to the
sperm because she stopped using barrier contraception and was trying to
conceive, she may have an immune reaction to the paternal genetic material
that causes arterial damage and contributes to preeclampsia, Dr. Einarsson
suggested. This reaction may be heightened because the placenta produces
paternal proteins similar to those on sperm, he told Reuters Health.

Preeclampsia affects about 7% of pregnant women, yet little is understood
about why the condition develops, according to the American College of
Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). The Baylor study findings were
presented Wednesday during the College's annual meeting.

Dr. Einarsson described his team's findings for 113 women who developed
preeclampsia during their pregnancies and another 226 women who did not.

He said those who used barrier methods and had only been having sex with
their partners for a short period of time were most at risk. "Women who
used barrier methods who had been having sex with their partners for less
than 4 months prior to getting pregnant had a 6.5-fold increased risk of
getting preeclampsia, compared with women who did not use barrier methods
and had been in a sexual relationship for more than 12 months," he said.
Most women in the study who reported using barrier contraception relied on
condoms, while some also used diaphragms. Women who relied on the
withdrawal method also were included in this group.
"Women who use barrier methods exclusively prior to pregnancy should
consider changing to an alternative method 4 to 6 months prior to getting
pregnant, especially if they have other risk factors for preeclampsia,
such as diabetes, high blood pressure, or if they are overweight," Dr.
Einarsson recommended.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Reuters Health Information 2002. © 2002 Reuters Ltd

_________

Are condoms a greater health risk than the std's they don't really protect
against?

It is politically correct to advocate condoms but every day the evidence
increases that they do little to protect and may pose a very serious
health risk. It is hard for the CDC and FDA to examine these risks as they
have been so vocal in promoting condoms but could their silence lead to
dire consequences. I for one having done exaustive research strongly feel
so.

"...... new concerns are arising regarding allergic or other toxic
reactions to various components of latex condoms such as vulcanization
accelerators, latex proteins, spermicides and finishing powders."

"* Studies are needed to evaluate the best lubricants to use in the
manufacture of condoms. Evidence suggests that the right quantity, type
and placement of lubricant is important for condom functionality,
acceptability and safety.

In addition, the added value and risk presented by spermicidal lubricants
and by dry finishing powders (e.g. talc or cornstarch) should be
critically examined."

"Since the late 1980s the reported incidence
of allergy to natural rubber latex has increased dramatically, as much as
12 -fold."

"Latex allergy is incurable, although the symptoms, such as itching,
soreness, painful blistering, runny noses, swollen eyes, asthma symptoms
and anaphylaxis can be ameliorated.

Everyone who has contact wi th natural rubber latex is potentially at risk
from sensitisation.

Both patients and health care workers can be at risk from allergic
reactions to natural rubber latex. Over the past decade, allergic
reactions to natural
rubber latex have become a major public health concern."

" Once a person has developed latex allergy, however mild, they are
“sensitised” to latex and are at risk from severe allergic reactions."

"Delayed cell-mediated reactions are the most common form of
hypersensitivity reaction to natural rubber latex. These reactions are to
individual chemical residues from the production process such as
accelerants used in the vulcanisation process which is required to
strengthen the product.

The residual chemicals may bloo on the surface of the products and can be
absorbed through the skin upon contact."

"Potent Carcinogen found in Most Condoms

Recent study has discovered the presence of a very potent carcinogen in
most condoms. Small amounts of this chemical are released whenever condoms
are used.

Nobody knows whether this is serious yet however it is not likely to be
healthy to expose the reproductive organs to cancer-causing substances on
a regular basis.

This is a potentially serious issue for much of the world's population
that cannot afford or access other forms of birth control. I hope further
studies will follow on this soon. Could this be related to the rise in
cancer in women, and men as well? "

"Talc...(on condoms)...may result in fallopian tube fibrosis with
resultant infertility. Question raised by Doctors Kasper and Chandler in
Journal of the American Medical Association. (JAMA) 3/15/95
-from Nutrition Health Review, Summer 1995 n73p8(1)"

"A possible tie between talcum powder and ovarian cancer, long suspected
because of talc's chemical similarity to asbestos, was strongly supported
last week when a study found a higher risk of the cancer among women who
used feminine deodorant sprays. The study, published in the American
Journal of Epidemiology, found that women who used talcum powder in the
genital area had an increased ovarian cancer risk of 60% and women who
used feminine deodorant sprays had a 90% increased risk."

-from The University of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter, April 1993
v9n7p1

"Benzene. In addition to the effect on fertility, some researchers believe
overexposure to chemicals may also contribute to testicular cancers. In
fact, a 2000 study concluded that there was a link between sperm
abnormalities and testicular cancer.
Among the study participants, men in couples with fertility problems were
more likely to develop testicular cancer. In addition, low semen
concentration, poor sperm motility, and abnormal sperm morphology were all
associated with increased risk for testicular cancer."

"a recent Lancet study (2002;360:971-977) found frequent use may in fact
increase the risk of HIV transmission.
The head of the Australian Federation of AIDS Organizations, Don Baxter,
said up to 10 percent of condoms sold in Australia include nonoxynol-9 as
a lubricant. "Not a high percentage of condoms use nonoxynol-9, it's
usually a particular brand, but they are fairly widely available," he
said. Baxter advised all gay men to avoid using condoms with nonoxynol-9
and said AFAO would call for the product to be withdrawn from pharmacy
shelves. "

"The allergens that cause reactions in individuals with spina bifida are
particle bound proteins that are less able to be dissolved in water than
some of the other latex proteins"

*  Talc - This is found in baby powders, face powders, body powders as
well as some contraceptives such as condoms.  Talc is a known carcinogen
and is a major cause of ovarian cancer when used in the genital area.  It
can be harmful if inhaled as it can lodge in the lungs, causing
respiratory disorders."

Condoms contain compounds known to cause cancer and serious birth defects
in substantial quantities
GMCarter - 17 May 2005 11:11 GMT
>THE FDA SAYS ONLY 1% OF LATEX DEATHS ARE REPORTED

Of what total?

>There were 15patient deaths associated with latex barium enema catheters.5,6

and so what?

        George M. Carter

Gallo MF, Grimes DA, Schulz KF. Nonlatex vs. latex male condoms for
contraception: a systematic review of randomized controlled trials.
Contraception. 2003 Nov;68(5):319-26.

Family Health International, P.O. Box 13950, Research Triangle Park,
NC 27709, USA. mgalllo@fhi.org

   This systematic review sought to evaluate nonlatex male condoms in
comparison with latex condoms in terms of contraceptive efficacy,
breakage, slippage, safety and user preferences. We searched
computerized databases and contacted manufactures and investigators to
find randomized controlled trials of nonlatex vs. latex male condoms.
Two reviewers independently abstracted data from the 10 identified
trials. While the eZ. on condom did not protect against pregnancy as
well as its latex comparison condom, no differences were found in
typical-use efficacy between the Avanti and the Standard Tactylon and
their latex counterparts. Nonlatex condoms were associated with higher
rates of clinical breakage than their latex comparisons, with
statistically significant odds ratios of clinical breakage ranging
from 2.6 (95% confidence interval [CI]: 1.6-4.3) to 5.0 (95% CI:
3.6-6.8). Few adverse events were reported. Substantial proportions of
participants reported preferences for the nonlatex condoms. Despite
higher rates of clinical breakage, nonlatex condoms still provide an
acceptable alternative for those with allergies, sensitivities or
preferences that might prevent the consistent use of latex condoms.
The contraceptive efficacy of nonlatex condoms requires more research.
PaulKing - 17 May 2005 05:57 GMT
A Move To Banish Latex Products

June 28, 2000

BOSTON (Boston Globe) — Josephine Pandolfo's illness began three years ago
as a slight rash on her hands, accompanied by chronic sinus headaches. But
it progressively got worse.

There were days when Pandolfo, a dentist, had difficulty breathing. Her
tongue would swell and she couldn't swallow. Then, she almost lost her
life after going into anaphylactic shock, an often fatal allergic
reaction, at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston.

Finally, a test confirmed it: Pandolfo had developed a severe reaction to
latex, the rubber that is found in everyday products from surgical gloves
to baby's pacifiers.

Pandolfo is one of an estimated 18 million Americans, or 6 percent of the
population, who have latex sensitivity. The allergy has been responsible
for at least 21 deaths nationwide since 1989, 16 as the result of an
allergy to the latex in barium enema tips, a product no longer on the
market.

Now, in one of the strongest moves ever taken against latex in New
England, Rhode Island Attorney General Sheldon Whitehouse is calling on
hospitals, restaurants and manufacturers to discontinue using latex
gloves. He has written a resolution recommending that the state health
department regulate the use of latex in the health-care, food-service and
day-care industries.

"I think the big message is to get the word out," Whitehouse said.
"Particularly in the food-service and day-care industries, there is no
need for the (latex) products. It's a little difficult in health care
where the alternatives have to meet the standards of latex gloves."

Whitehouse has met with Allegiance Healthcare Corp., a latex gloves
manufacturer, to encourage them to provide more non-latex products and
bring awareness about the allergy to the general population.

"It's a particularly difficult allergy because it's so hard (for
consumers) to find out if latex is in a product or not," he said.
"Therefore, the risk of exposure to latex is very high. You don't really
know if you are going to be exposed."

The natural, milky substance, made from the rubber tree Hevea
brasiliensis, is used in 40,000 products, including items such as
balloons, diaphragms, condoms, and even mouse pads. Of these 40,000
latex-containing products, 300 are medical items.

Ironically, the federal government greatly increased the use of latex in
1987, when new regulations required all health care workers to wear latex
gloves to prevent the spread of the HIV-virus. That year, Americans used 2
billion pairs of gloves for medical purposes. Today, the number is
estimated to be around 20 billion.

Along with the increase in latex use, the number of people with an allergy
to the natural rubber has dramatically risen. The Food and Drug
Administration reports that between January 1985 and March 1999, there
were five deaths from allergies to latex gloves and 2,330 allergic
reactions.

"Unfortunately, we see a significant increase (of allergic reactions)
because of the increased use of latex gloves," said Jim Brady, a
disability lawyer. Brady has represented more nurses with latex allergies
than any other lawyer in New England. "I think, among many people, there's
no awareness of the problem with latex gloves."

An allergic response generally triggers a poison-ivy-like rash 12 to 36
hours after contact. While this is not life-threatening, some people may
have a reaction to the latex protein itself. A full-blown allergic
response often affects the skin and other organs, producing hives,
swelling, asthma and, in extreme cases, anaphylactic shock.

Pandolfo has had reactions to food prepared by people wearing latex
gloves, latex powder residue left on a table at the doctor's office, and,
once, to a water glass that was handled by a girl wearing the gloves.

"I don't go out to eat anywhere unless I've talked to the chef first,"
Pandolfo said. "This is life-threatening."

When she travels, she telephones the hotel ahead of time to talk with the
chef. She brings her own food on an airplane. And she only uses
self-adhesive stamps.

"I can't lick a stamp. I can't lick an envelope," she said. "(Latex) is
out there everywhere, and you can just die."

Among the people who are most at risk are health-care workers. The
American Academy of Family Physicians estimates that between 10 and 17
percent of these workers, which include nurses, dentists and surgeons, are
at risk for latex reactions. Children with spina bifida, a disabling birth
defect, people exposed to products containing latex, and those who have
hay fever or other allergies are also at risk.

While many hospitals have voluntarily changed to non-latex products, some
health care facilities have been reluctant to discontinue its use. A
majority of restaurants, day-care centers and beauty salons continue to
use latex, unaware that they are messing with a deadly allergen.

"For the places that haven't changed over, education hasn't gotten out to
the degree that it needs to," said Gail Lenehen, editor for the Journal of
the Emergency Nurses Association. Lenehen went into anaphlyactic shock
three years ago while working in the emergency room of Massachusetts
General Hospital in Boston. "They haven't reached the average nurse,
physician or hairstylist."

In 1997, the National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health
recommended that non-latex gloves be used for all activities that are not
likely to involve contact with infectious materials, such as food
preparation, routine housekeeping and maintenance. That same year, the
Food and Drug Administration established rules for labeling all medical
devices that contain latex.

But still, said Whitehouse, who has been working on this campaign since
January 1999, progress is slow. While some Rhode Island restaurants have
volunteered to change to non-latex on their own, many are still using the
allergenic material.

While there are a number of non-latex products available, including gloves
made of vinyl or polyvinyl chloride, nitrile or other synthetics, many
hospitals are slow to change because of the additional cost.

"It's money," Brady said. "The vinyl gloves are not as cheap as latex
gloves. The latex gloves are very accessible, very easy."

Brady said, however, that the health-care industry is under the false
impression that latex gloves are always less expensive. He said a growing
number of non-latex gloves are just as good and priced competitively with
latex.

"The pro-active actions that need to be taken, which are to eliminate
latex gloves, are very doable, but there is tremendous reluctance at the
facilities," said Evelyn Bain, associate director of occupational safety
and health for the Massachusetts Nurses Association. "It doesn't make
sense not to do it."

Copyright 2000 The Boston Globe. All rights reserved.
refs unpersons rewrite fullwise - 18 May 2005 05:11 GMT
"PaulKing" <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> raved in message (quoting)...
>A Move To Banish Latex Products
<snip>

Yes, some people are allergic to latex, just as some people are allergic
to peanuts, milk, soybeans, wheat, sesame seeds, and many other common
food items.  I'm so f.cking sorry they're allergic, but I'm not going to
eliminate these things from my life just because it inconveniences them.
And in fact I've had several allergic reactions to latex (gloves and
condoms) but it's not consistent and I don't always react to it (maybe
combining it with another chemical triggers the reaction?).  I've read
of schools that have banned peanut butter sandwiches because one or two
of the special differently-abled students have allergies to peanuts.

An allergy to a common element of daily of life is your problem, not my
problem.  If you're allergic to UV, you should stay indoors because we
are not going to ban sunlight to satisfy you.  If you are allergic to
peanuts you should live in an isolation colony because we are not going
to give up peanuts (or milk or wheat or soy or anything else) just
because you have a negative reaction to it.  I'm all for proper labeling,
any known allergen should be identified on the product label, but once
you know a product contains an ingredient you're allergic to, then you
have a choice to avoid it and have no reason to complain if you contact
or consume it and have an allergic reaction.
PaulKing - 17 May 2005 06:00 GMT
*  Talc

This is found in baby powders, face powders, body powders as well as some
contraceptives such as condoms. 

Talc is a known carcinogen and is a major cause of ovarian cancer when
used in the genital area.  It can be harmful if inhaled as it can lodge in
the lungs, causing respiratory disorders.
tsip29 - 17 May 2005 09:44 GMT
, if any, toluene or benzene exposure results from condom use, and how much
exposure would be a cause for concern!

So . but it might be or could be a cause of concern! right, because there
is no study saying tht it is, then assumption is that it no threat of
concern about it! what if it is!

htere are these well know toxic substance in these condooms! they know the
effect of these condooms! so it could be true that these substance can
cause "disease".

we would only know if there is a good study done! right! but now to think
its no threat of concern, is a bite silly! it even could be so!

gr,
Tom
GMCarter - 17 May 2005 11:07 GMT
snip...
>So . but it might be or could be a cause of concern! right, because there
>is no study saying tht it is, then assumption is that it no threat of
>concern about it! what if it is!

What is HIV exists!! What if it is causing AIDS and causing people to
die in the millions!! What if a condom would vastly reduce the risk of
acquiring HIV! What if you used a period instead!
tsip29 - 17 May 2005 11:10 GMT
typ-o, will re-write it!

if any, toluene or benzene exposure results from condom use, and how much
exposure would be a cause for concern!

So . but it might be or could be a cause of concern! right, because there
is no study saying tht it is, then assumption is that it no threat of
concern about it! what if it is!

htere are these well know toxic substance in these condooms! they know
the
effect of these toxicns! so it could be true that these substance can
cause "disease".

we would only know if there is a good study done! right! but now to think
its no threat of concern, is a bite silly! it even could be so!

gr,
Tom
GMCarter - 17 May 2005 17:06 GMT
>typ-o, will re-write it!
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>is no study saying tht it is, then assumption is that it no threat of
>concern about it! what if it is!

There is no EVIDENCE that there IS! NONE! The one chemical is
nitrosamines that might be in high enough concentrations--evidence
says no risk!

            George!
tsip29 - 17 May 2005 18:58 GMT
..There is no EVIDENCE that there IS! NONE! The one chemical is
nitrosamines that might be in high enough concentrations--evidence
says no risk!

why because there is no study on it! so no proof!

chemical is a chemical ..abite and abite will end up as alot later on in
de body! it will accumulate in the body.

so it can b a threat. but hasnt been proven yet!
Brian Mailman - 17 May 2005 21:13 GMT
> There is no EVIDENCE that there IS! NONE! The one chemical is
> nitrosamines that might be in high enough concentrations--evidence
> says no risk!

that's! telling! him!

b!
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 17 May 2005 18:23 GMT
>, if any, toluene or benzene exposure results from condom use, and how much
>exposure would be a cause for concern!
>
>So . but it might be or could be a cause of concern!

When you say "could be", you are telling us something you imagine,
not something you know.  Nobody but you is scared of the monsters in
your closet.

Signature

David Canzi

tsip29 - 17 May 2005 19:04 GMT
no, it just an open question! it could be a threat. in your opnion is
everythink what paul say is already wrong!

there is no evidence! so it musnt be treu! do you know off any study that
proof is no threat of concern!
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 17 May 2005 23:59 GMT
>no, it just an open question!

How do you know that it's an open question?

>it could be a threat. in your opnion is
>everythink what paul say is already wrong!

He has been caught lying many times.

Signature

David Canzi

GMCarter - 18 May 2005 02:04 GMT
>no, it just an open question! it could be a threat. in your opnion is
>everythink what paul say is already wrong!
>
>there is no evidence! so it musnt be treu! do you know off any study that
>proof is no threat of concern!

Excuse me! I just provided LOTS of evidence! Did you READ! it! Any!
And evidence says Mark is full of sh.t!

CONDOMS ARE SAFE!

I SHOUT and exclaim! Whee!!

But you'd rather NOT worry about HIV! And keep f.cking bareback!

You're an Idiot!

LOL!
Right...
tsip29 - 18 May 2005 12:21 GMT
you both arre to emotionally attached to these disscution in my opinion!
only reacting negatief on whatever is said about the dissidents vieuw!

but who says i dont use a condoom!

i can see the point that are being maid here! so i have my doubts about
the condooms and lubricants !

have a nice day!
GMCarter - 18 May 2005 02:03 GMT
>>, if any, toluene or benzene exposure results from condom use, and how much
>>exposure would be a cause for concern!
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>not something you know.  Nobody but you is scared of the monsters in
>your closet.

I am! Monsters MIGHT! exist!

So! Worry! f.ck unsafe!! HIV might NOT exist! So it's OK!

OK!

Logical! Consistent!! Let's bomb Iraq some more!
PaulKing - 17 May 2005 05:57 GMT
Condom Use Linked to Risk of Preeclampsia
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/433419?srcmp=wh-051002
LOS ANGELES (Reuters Health) May 09 - Women who are not exposed to a
partner's sperm prior to pregnancy because the couple used condoms may be
at increased risk for developing preeclampsia, a new study presented here
concludes.
The findings suggest that when the uterus is repeatedly exposed to sperm,
a woman's immune system may become accustomed to this "foreign" genetic
material, said Dr. Jon I. Einarsson, an obstetrician/gynecologist at
Baylor College of Medicine in Houston.
However, when a woman's body has only recently been introduced to the
sperm because she stopped using barrier contraception and was trying to
conceive, she may have an immune reaction to the paternal genetic material
that causes arterial damage and contributes to preeclampsia, Dr. Einarsson
suggested. This reaction may be heightened because the placenta produces
paternal proteins similar to those on sperm, he told Reuters Health.
Preeclampsia affects about 7% of pregnant women, yet little is understood
about why the condition develops, according to the American College of
Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG). The Baylor study findings were
presented Wednesday during the College's annual meeting.
Dr. Einarsson described his team's findings for 113 women who developed
preeclampsia during their pregnancies and another 226 women who did not.
He said those who used barrier methods and had only been having sex with
their partners for a short period of time were most at risk. "Women who
used barrier methods who had been having sex with their partners for less
than 4 months prior to getting pregnant had a 6.5-fold increased risk of
getting preeclampsia, compared with women who did not use barrier methods
and had been in a sexual relationship for more than 12 months," he said.
Most women in the study who reported using barrier contraception relied on
condoms, while some also used diaphragms. Women who relied on the
withdrawal method also were included in this group.
"Women who use barrier methods exclusively prior to pregnancy should
consider changing to an alternative method 4 to 6 months prior to getting
pregnant, especially if they have other risk factors for preeclampsia,
such as diabetes, high blood pressure, or if they are overweight," Dr.
Einarsson recommended.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 
Reuters Health Information 2002. © 2002 Reuters Ltd
GMCarter - 17 May 2005 11:17 GMT
>Condom Use Linked to Risk of Preeclampsia
>http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/433419?srcmp=wh-051002

Which doesn't mean women should not use condoms. Indeed, here is a
case where if a couple is monogamous, then condoms aren't necessary.

Problem is that a woman who is faithful to a guy who f.cks around
without a condom may well have bigger problems than preeclampsia to
worry about. And in case, the data are below and provide a more
nuanced analysis than Mark's posting crap he doesn't understand and
which don't support his delusions.

        George M. Carter

**
Dekker GA, Robillard PY, Hulsey TC. Immune maladaptation in the
etiology of preeclampsia: a review of corroborative epidemiologic
studies. Obstet Gynecol Surv. 1998 Jun;53(6):377-82.

Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Free University Hospital,
Amsterdam, The Netherlands.

   Genuine preeclampsia is a disease of first pregnancies. The
protective effect of multiparity, however, is lost with change of
partner. Also, exposure to semen provides protection against
developing preeclampsia. Analogous to altered paternity, artificial
donor insemination and oocyte donation are reported to result in a
substantial increase of preeclampsia. Thus, epidemiologic studies
strongly suggest that immune maladaptation is involved in the etiology
of preeclampsia. Although the exact etiology of preeclampsia remains
unknown, the conclusions derived from epidemiologic studies may have
consequences for practicing physicians: 1) according to the
primipaternity concept, a multiparous women with a new partner should
be approached as being a primigravid women; 2) artificial donor
insemination and oocyte donation are associated with an increased risk
of developing pregnancy-induced hypertensive disorders; 3) a more or
less prolonged period of sperm exposure provides a partial protection
against pregnancy-induced hypertensive disorders. In the 1990s, all
women with changing partners are strongly advised to use condoms to
prevent sexually transmitted diseases. However, a certain period of
sperm exposure within a stable relation, when pregnancy is aimed for,
is associated with a partial protection against preeclampsia.
PaulKing - 17 May 2005 05:58 GMT
Are condoms a greater health risk than the std's they don't really protect
against?

It is politically correct to advocate condoms but every day the evidence
increases that they do little to protect and may pose a very serious
health risk. It is hard for the CDC and FDA to examine these risks as they
have been so vocal in promoting condoms but could their silence lead to
dire consequences. I for one having done exaustive research strongly feel
so.

"...... new concerns are arising regarding allergic or other toxic
reactions to various components of latex condoms such as vulcanization
accelerators, latex proteins, spermicides and finishing powders."

"* Studies are needed to evaluate the best lubricants to use in the
manufacture of condoms. Evidence suggests that the right quantity, type
and placement of lubricant is important for condom functionality,
acceptability and safety.

In addition, the added value and risk presented by spermicidal lubricants
and by dry finishing powders (e.g. talc or cornstarch) should be
critically examined."

"Since the late 1980s the reported incidence
of allergy to natural rubber latex has increased dramatically, as much as
12 -fold."

"Latex allergy is incurable, although the symptoms, such as itching,
soreness, painful blistering, runny noses, swollen eyes, asthma symptoms
and anaphylaxis can be ameliorated.

Everyone who has contact wi th natural rubber latex is potentially at risk
from sensitisation.

Both patients and health care workers can be at risk from allergic
reactions to natural rubber latex. Over the past decade, allergic
reactions to natural
rubber latex have become a major public health concern."

" Once a person has developed latex allergy, however mild, they are
“sensitised” to latex and are at risk from severe allergic reactions."

"Delayed cell-mediated reactions are the most common form of
hypersensitivity reaction to natural rubber latex. These reactions are to
individual chemical residues from the production process such as
accelerants used in the vulcanisation process which is required to
strengthen the product.

The residual chemicals may bloo on the surface of the products and can be
absorbed through the skin upon contact."

"Potent Carcinogen found in Most Condoms

Recent study has discovered the presence of a very potent carcinogen in
most condoms. Small amounts of this chemical are released whenever condoms
are used.

Nobody knows whether this is serious yet however it is not likely to be
healthy to expose the reproductive organs to cancer-causing substances on
a regular basis.

This is a potentially serious issue for much of the world's population
that cannot afford or access other forms of birth control. I hope further
studies will follow on this soon. Could this be related to the rise in
cancer in women, and men as well? "

"Talc...(on condoms)...may result in fallopian tube fibrosis with
resultant infertility. Question raised by Doctors Kasper and Chandler in
Journal of the American Medical Association. (JAMA) 3/15/95
-from Nutrition Health Review, Summer 1995 n73p8(1)"

"A possible tie between talcum powder and ovarian cancer, long suspected
because of talc's chemical similarity to asbestos, was strongly supported
last week when a study found a higher risk of the cancer among women who
used feminine deodorant sprays. The study, published in the American
Journal of Epidemiology, found that women who used talcum powder in the
genital area had an increased ovarian cancer risk of 60% and women who
used feminine deodorant sprays had a 90% increased risk."

-from The University of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter, April 1993
v9n7p1

"Benzene. In addition to the effect on fertility, some researchers believe
overexposure to chemicals may also contribute to testicular cancers. In
fact, a 2000 study concluded that there was a link between sperm
abnormalities and testicular cancer.
Among the study participants, men in couples with fertility problems were
more likely to develop testicular cancer. In addition, low semen
concentration, poor sperm motility, and abnormal sperm morphology were all
associated with increased risk for testicular cancer."

"a recent Lancet study (2002;360:971-977) found frequent use may in fact
increase the risk of HIV transmission.
The head of the Australian Federation of AIDS Organizations, Don Baxter,
said up to 10 percent of condoms sold in Australia include nonoxynol-9 as
a lubricant. "Not a high percentage of condoms use nonoxynol-9, it's
usually a particular brand, but they are fairly widely available," he
said. Baxter advised all gay men to avoid using condoms with nonoxynol-9
and said AFAO would call for the product to be withdrawn from pharmacy
shelves. "

"The allergens that cause reactions in individuals with spina bifida are
particle bound proteins that are less able to be dissolved in water than
some of the other latex proteins"

*  Talc - This is found in baby powders, face powders, body powders as
well as some contraceptives such as condoms.  Talc is a known carcinogen
and is a major cause of ovarian cancer when used in the genital area.  It
can be harmful if inhaled as it can lodge in the lungs, causing
respiratory disorders."

Condoms contain compounds known to cause cancer and serious birth defects
in substantial quantities

SOURCES. Condom Industry web site, medical publications and Beacon
Pharmaceuticals.
GMCarter - 17 May 2005 11:19 GMT
>Are condoms a greater health risk than the std's they don't really protect
>against?

They protect against MANY STDs. And no, they're not a greater "risk."
The data do not support this ridiculous assertion.

But the pope would probably love it. He seems to care just about as
much as you or Mbeki how many people die of AIDS. Or the psycho
fundies in the Bush administration who press the failed policy of
"abstinence only."

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 17 May 2005 05:58 GMT
...unless you could be the type of person to be concerned about trifles
like cancer, death from inhalation problems and the odd birth defect (to
name a few).

Latex is a natural rubber or is not in the slightest elastic (high
modulus) until it undergoes a process called vulcanization.

This requires a large number of additives. Latex even in its natural form
has proteins known to cause allergic reactions (Types I, II and IV
-fatal).

The additives in vulcanization include: -

Benzene - Short term exposure to benzene may cause irritation to the nose,
throat and lungs. It can also affect the nervous system, causing
headaches, dizziness and slurred speech. At high levels of inhalation
shallow breathing and death can result. Death has occurred after exposure
to 20.000ppm for five to ten minutes or 7.500ppm for 30 minutes.
Skin irritation, including redness and blistering can occur with skin
contact. It is also absorbed very slowly through the skin.
Long term exposure to this substance -- even at low concentrations -- can
cause a number of symptoms including appetite loss, nausea, fatigue,
headaches and dizziness.
Mild anemia has been reported after exposure to 25ppm for several years
and 100ppm for three months. At levels of 100ppm and 200ppm for periods of
six months, or more, severe irreversible blood changes and damage to the
liver and heart can occur. Benzene is a known carcinogen and it has been
linked to increased risk of several forms of leukemia. In May 1977 the
National Institute of Occupation Safety and Health (NIOSH) recommended
that the TLV for benzene be reduced from 10ppm to 1ppm because of its
carcinogenicity. NIOSH recommended that exposure to benzene be kept as low
as possible and that the use of benzene as a solvent or dilutent in open
operations should be prohibited. This standard of 1ppm was legally
challenged by industry groups and never enforced.
Although some rubber companies said they expected to meet the 1ppm
recommendation, the established TLV remains at l0ppm.
Sampling in rubber plants reveals that the level of benzene in the air is
generally slightly greater than the NIOSH recommended standard of 1ppm.
Researchers investigating solvent use in the rubber industry found that in
order to maintain benzene vapour below 1ppm, mixtures of solvents could
not contain greater than 0.1% benzene.

Toluene - This solvent, which is the major substitute for benzene, cannot
be considered a completely safe alternative even though it has not been
proven to be carcinogenic. The harmf ul effects of toluene include
irritation of eyes, respiratory tract (nose, throat, lungs) and skin.
Repeated or prolonged contact with the liquid can cause removal of all the
natural oils from the skin resulting in dry, cracked skin. When splashed
in the eyes, it can cause irritation and reversible damage. Acute exposure
above the TLV of 100ppm can result in central nervous system depressions
with symptoms including headache, dizziness, fatigue and muscular weakness
as well as drowsiness and incoordination.

Thiazoles - Cause dermatitis reactions. 2-mercaptobenzothiozole is said to
be especially irritating to the skin, eyes and respiratory tract.

Dithiocarbamates - Have been shown to be irritating to the skin, eyes and
respiratory organs. Possible carcinogens.

•Nitrosamines (N-nitrosodiphenylamine)
Many nitrosamines are potent carcinogens but until recently this
nitrosamine used as a retarder was not considered harmful. Recent
experiments with rats indicted N-nitrosodiphenylam ine as a cause of
cancer in the test animals. This substance also combines with other rubber
chemicals to form other nitrosamines especially N-nitrosomorpholne which
is linked with liver and respiratory cancer and kidney tumours.

In addittion almost all condoms have some type of lubricant such as
carcinogenic talc or silicone (almost identical to that used in breast
implants). Some even use the highly lethal N9 as a lubricant and
spermicide.

If that was not enough in order to cause the vulcanized latex to gel on
the former a coagulant is required. These salts are all highly toxic and
not water soluable so the crystals remain embeded in the inner surface of
the condom.

Condoms, cause for concern? You decide. It's your life after all.
GMCarter - 17 May 2005 11:20 GMT
>...unless you could be the type of person to be concerned about trifles
>like cancer, death from inhalation problems and the odd birth defect (to
>name a few).

All the latex allergy stuff you have posted have NOTHING to do with
being caused by condoms. They are NOT. There are some at-risk
populations of adults (aside from kids with spina bifida).

        George M. Carter
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 20 May 2005 17:51 GMT
>Benzene

You posted information about the effects of benzene at various levels
of exposure but no information at all about what level of exposure,
if any, results from using condoms.  As usual, you have failed to
complete your argument.

>Toluene

You posted information about the effects of toluene, but no information
about the levels of exposure at which those effects occur, or what
level of exposure, if any, results from using condoms.

>Thiazoles
>Dithiocarbamates
>Nitrosamines (N-nitrosodiphenylamine)

Information on effects, nothing about exposure levels producing
those effects, nothing about what exposure, if any, result from
using condoms.

>In addittion almost all condoms have some type of lubricant such as
>carcinogenic talc

You've never provided a reference to talc on condoms later than 1995.
Are they still using talc today?

>or silicone (almost identical to that used in breast
>implants).

Provide a reference showing the almost identical structural formulae
of these two kinds of silicone and stating clearly which one is used
to lubricate condoms and which to fill breast implants, and explain
why this is relevant.

>Some even use the highly lethal N9 as a lubricant and
>spermicide.

As far as I know, N9 irritates some women's vaginas.  Provide a
reference demonstrating that it is not just lethal, but *highly*
lethal.

>If that was not enough in order to cause the vulcanized latex to gel on
>the former a coagulant is required. These salts are all highly toxic and
>not water soluable so the crystals remain embeded in the inner surface of
>the condom.

If they're not water-soluble, they don't dissolve in surrounding
bodily fluids, and condom users aren't exposed to them.  That is
assuming that you didn't just make this claim up.   You provide no
references to the existence of these poisonous salts, nor even
their names.

Paul King (Mark Hanau) posts hundreds of articles similar to this
(thousands if you count the repetitions), containing uncompleted
arguments, unsupported factoids, and fear-mongering language
(eg. "highly lethal").

If he cared whether what he was saying was true, had good arguments,
and knew how to tell the difference between good arguments and bad
arguments, he wouldn't be posting crap like this, would he?

Signature

David Canzi

PaulKing - 17 May 2005 06:02 GMT
GM Carter is living proof of that.
PaulKing - 18 May 2005 23:29 GMT
Condom cancer risk exposed

Most condoms contain a cancer-causing chemical and their manufacture
should be subject to greater quality control, a German scientific research
institute said.

The Chemical and Veterinary Investigation Institute in Stuttgart, Germany,
said it found the carcinogen N-Nitrosamine present in 29 of 32 types of
condoms it tested in simulated conditions.
"N-Nitrosamine is one of the most carcinogenic substances," the study's
authors said.
"There is a pressing need for manufacturers to tackle this problem."
The carcinogen is thought to be present in a substance used to improve
condom elasticity.
When the rubber material comes in contact with human bodily fluids, it can
release traces of N-Nitrosamine, the study said.

Local government officials said condom users should not stop using rubber
contraceptives based on results of the study because N-Nitrosamine does
not present an immediate health danger.

Germany's Federal Institute for Risk Assessment said that daily condom use
exposed users to N-Nitrosamine levels up to three times higher than levels
naturally present in food.

-- Reuters

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/s1118849.htm
PaulKing - 18 May 2005 23:53 GMT
So much for no evidence.

Carter proven wrong yet again.
GMCarter - 19 May 2005 10:18 GMT
>So much for no evidence.

LOL. An old Australian news report.

>Carter proven wrong yet again.

To the contrary.

But if you want to screw without a condom or convince people to screw
without a condom so you can make bareback porn, that's your choice.

If you die of AIDS....well, we all die of something.

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 18 May 2005 23:55 GMT
..even if Carter refuses to believe it.
PaulKing - 19 May 2005 03:35 GMT
Toluene

· endocrine disruptor, potential carcinogen
· may cause birth defects
· irritates respiratory tract
· may cause liver damage
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 20 May 2005 17:53 GMT
>Toluene
>
>· endocrine disruptor, potential carcinogen
>· may cause birth defects
>· irritates respiratory tract
>· may cause liver damage

How much causes harm?  How much (if any) are condom users exposed to?

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David Canzi

PaulKing - 19 May 2005 03:40 GMT
Causes of Low Sperm Count

Environmental Assaults

Over exposure to environmental assaults (toxins, chemicals, infections)
can reduce sperm count either by direct effects on testicular function or
on the hormone systems, although the extent of the effect and specific
environmental assaults involved are often controversial.

Some chemicals that affect sperm production men are : Oxygen-Free
Radicals, Estrogen emulation pesticidal chemicals (DDT, aldrin, dieldrin,
PCPs, dioxins, and furans ), plastic softening chemicals like Phthalates,
hydrocarbons (ethylbenzene, benzene, toluene, and xylene)
GMCarter - 19 May 2005 10:20 GMT
You know--these are good arguments for dealing with plastics products
of a wide variety. And a low sperm count might not be such a bad idea
for an overpopulated planet.

But these snippets of uncited stories really do NOT support the
occasional use of condoms as being a danger.

Certainly not a danger greater than HIV.

        George M. Carter

>Causes of Low Sperm Count
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>PCPs, dioxins, and furans ), plastic softening chemicals like Phthalates,
>hydrocarbons (ethylbenzene, benzene, toluene, and xylene)
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 20 May 2005 17:55 GMT
>hydrocarbons (ethylbenzene, benzene, toluene, and xylene)

How much is harmful?  How much are condom users exposed to?

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David Canzi

PaulKing - 19 May 2005 03:43 GMT
Rubber is made elastic by a process called vulcanization, and many of the
chemicals used in the process are strong sensitizers or allergens.

These include isopropyl n-phenylenediamine, mercaptobenzothiazole and
carba compounds. Affected individuals usually have a hand dermatitis from
rubber gloves, or a foot dermatitis from shoes.

Other sources of exposure include condoms, diaphragms and elastic in under
garments including bra straps and underwear.

Michael S. King, MD, FAAAAI, Diplomate of the American Board of Allergy
and Immunology

http://www.ctallergy.com/Allergic%20Contact%20Dermatitis.htm
PaulKing - 19 May 2005 04:19 GMT
Organic solvents
Mercury
Toluene

http://www.arhp.org/healthcareproviders/onlinepublications/healthandsexuality/te
ratogens/prevpreg-a-1.cfm?ID=242

GMCarter - 19 May 2005 10:17 GMT
>Condom cancer risk exposed

Aside from being annoying, isn't it a violation of your ISP's TOS to
spam the same article over and over and over?

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 19 May 2005 18:36 GMT
Aside from being annoying, isn't it insane to deny that the link between
condoms and cancer has been proven over and over and over again?

I won't need to repost if YOU stop ignoring the facts, Carter.
PaulKing - 20 May 2005 19:30 GMT
GENE ENVIRONMENT INTERACTIONS AND THE RISK FOR CARDIAC DEFECTS

One of the research emphasis areas of the Birth Defects Research Center
has been to define the genetic susceptibility to birth defects from
organic solvent exposure, including both volatile organic solvents such as
toluene and methanol, and halogenated hydrocarbons such as
trichloroethylene.

Why focus on these two classes of chemicals? First, these compounds are
among the top-ten chemicals released into the environment within the State
of Wisconsin, particularly within the Southeast Region of the state.
Second, both toluene and trichloroethylene exposure have been associated
with birth defects. Thus, functional neurological defects are observed in
the offspring of toluene abusing women. In fact, a Fetal Toluene Syndrome
has been defined that exhibits similarities to Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. In
the case of trichloroethylene, at least two epidemiological studies in
other regions of the country have linked cardiac defects with
trichloroethylene exposure from contaminated well water. Several studies
in multiple animal models corroborated these epidemiological studies.
Finally, both toluene and trichloroethylene are known to be metabolized by
enzymes encoded by genes exhibiting variation in the human population.
Thus, the risk for birth defects will likely be determined both by
exposure to these compounds and genetic makeup.
Jordan - 22 May 2005 07:15 GMT
> GENE ENVIRONMENT INTERACTIONS AND THE RISK FOR CARDIAC DEFECTS
>
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> Thus, the risk for birth defects will likely be determined both by
> exposure to these compounds and genetic makeup.

In this article I could find neither of the words, condom nor cancer. I
suggest then that this latest PaulKing post be cited as another example
of his rank dishonesty.
PaulKing - 22 May 2005 17:12 GMT
Condoms contain large amounts of Toluene
and the original post is about birth defects NOT cancer.

Take the time to actually READ the posts before responding with nonsense.
PaulKing - 22 May 2005 22:02 GMT
Are condoms a greater health risk than the std's they don't really protect
against?

It is politically correct to advocate condoms but every day the evidence
increases that they do little to protect and may pose a very serious
health risk. It is hard for the CDC and FDA to examine these risks as they
have been so vocal in promoting condoms but could their silence lead to
dire consequences. I for one having done exaustive research strongly feel
so.

"...... new concerns are arising regarding allergic or other toxic
reactions to various components of latex condoms such as vulcanization
accelerators, latex proteins, spermicides and finishing powders."

"* Studies are needed to evaluate the best lubricants to use in the
manufacture of condoms. Evidence suggests that the right quantity, type
and placement of lubricant is important for condom functionality,
acceptability and safety.

In addition, the added value and risk presented by spermicidal lubricants
and by dry finishing powders (e.g. talc or cornstarch) should be
critically examined."

"Since the late 1980s the reported incidence
of allergy to natural rubber latex has increased dramatically, as much as
12 -fold."

"Latex allergy is incurable, although the symptoms, such as itching,
soreness, painful blistering, runny noses, swollen eyes, asthma symptoms
and anaphylaxis can be ameliorated.

Everyone who has contact wi th natural rubber latex is potentially at risk
from sensitisation.

Both patients and health care workers can be at risk from allergic
reactions to natural rubber latex. Over the past decade, allergic
reactions to natural
rubber latex have become a major public health concern."

" Once a person has developed latex allergy, however mild, they are
“sensitised” to latex and are at risk from severe allergic reactions."

"Delayed cell-mediated reactions are the most common form of
hypersensitivity reaction to natural rubber latex. These reactions are to
individual chemical residues from the production process such as
accelerants used in the vulcanisation process which is required to
strengthen the product.

The residual chemicals may bloo on the surface of the products and can be
absorbed through the skin upon contact."

"Potent Carcinogen found in Most Condoms

Recent study has discovered the presence of a very potent carcinogen in
most condoms. Small amounts of this chemical are released whenever condoms
are used.

Nobody knows whether this is serious yet however it is not likely to be
healthy to expose the reproductive organs to cancer-causing substances on
a regular basis.

This is a potentially serious issue for much of the world's population
that cannot afford or access other forms of birth control. I hope further
studies will follow on this soon. Could this be related to the rise in
cancer in women, and men as well? "

"Talc...(on condoms)...may result in fallopian tube fibrosis with
resultant infertility. Question raised by Doctors Kasper and Chandler in
Journal of the American Medical Association. (JAMA) 3/15/95
-from Nutrition Health Review, Summer 1995 n73p8(1)"

"A possible tie between talcum powder and ovarian cancer, long suspected
because of talc's chemical similarity to asbestos, was strongly supported
last week when a study found a higher risk of the cancer among women who
used feminine deodorant sprays. The study, published in the American
Journal of Epidemiology, found that women who used talcum powder in the
genital area had an increased ovarian cancer risk of 60% and women who
used feminine deodorant sprays had a 90% increased risk."

-from The University of California, Berkeley Wellness Letter, April 1993
v9n7p1

"Benzene. In addition to the effect on fertility, some researchers believe
overexposure to chemicals may also contribute to testicular cancers. In
fact, a 2000 study concluded that there was a link between sperm
abnormalities and testicular cancer.
Among the study participants, men in couples with fertility problems were
more likely to develop testicular cancer. In addition, low semen
concentration, poor sperm motility, and abnormal sperm morphology were all
associated with increased risk for testicular cancer."

"a recent Lancet study (2002;360:971-977) found frequent use may in fact
increase the risk of HIV transmission.
The head of the Australian Federation of AIDS Organizations, Don Baxter,
said up to 10 percent of condoms sold in Australia include nonoxynol-9 as
a lubricant. "Not a high percentage of condoms use nonoxynol-9, it's
usually a particular brand, but they are fairly widely available," he
said. Baxter advised all gay men to avoid using condoms with nonoxynol-9
and said AFAO would call for the product to be withdrawn from pharmacy
shelves. "

"The allergens that cause reactions in individuals with spina bifida are
particle bound proteins that are less able to be dissolved in water than
some of the other latex proteins"

*  Talc - This is found in baby powders, face powders, body powders as
well as some contraceptives such as condoms.  Talc is a known carcinogen
and is a major cause of ovarian cancer when used in the genital area.  It
can be harmful if inhaled as it can lodge in the lungs, causing
respiratory disorders."

Condoms contain compounds known to cause cancer and serious birth defects
in substantial quantities

SOURCES. Condom Industry web site, medical publications and Beacon
Pharmaceuticals.
 
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