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Re: There is no test for harmless 'HIV'. SAY NO TO USELESS TESTS.

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dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu - 19 Mar 2005 13:34 GMT
| There is no test for harmless 'HIV'. SAY NO TO USELESS TESTS.
| http://notb4weknow.editthispage.com/discuss/msgReader$267
| So called 'AIDS' tests simply test for harmless protein antibodies
| and are completely non specific.
| Testing could be the beginning of the road to death and ALL for
| nothing.
| NEVER, NEVER, NEVER agree to take these absurd tests.
| Just say NO to the 'testing' madness....your life could depend on it.

         How to detect STDs before you pass along the sexually
         transmitted infections to another person or vice versa.

         a.
         How did your sex partners detect sexually transmitted
         infections before passing along to you what they had got
         from somebody else?...

         b.
         You mentioned in another posting you had got sexually
         transmitted infections. How did you detect the sexually
         transmitted infections you got before you could have passed
         along the STDs to another person?...

         c.
         Did you notice itching?...

         d
         Did you or a sex partner notice anything on your body
         or notice anything going on inside you?...

         e.
         Did you or a sex partner notice anything on their body
         or notice anything going on inside their body?...
PaulKing - 20 Mar 2005 06:37 GMT
In my entire life and around 2,800 sex partners I have had crabs once and
NSU once or twice.

To the best of my knowledge there is no test for either.

Crabs take all of five minutes to cure (I discovered ESTP - Ether and coal
tar cream) works better than the branded medications.

NSU was also cured with less trouble than the flu.

Do you test for having the flu before you go out in public? I doubt it and
yet the flu can be far worse than most stds and more easily transmitted.

Why the obsession with stds?

Why not test for every possible disease that could be passed on?

Possibly because it would make life impossible. That is why you absurd
idea of testing for stds every trime you are about to have sex is a joke.

Get on with life and cut the silly hypochondria.
GMCarter - 20 Mar 2005 11:09 GMT
>In my entire life and around 2,800 sex partners I have had crabs once and
>NSU once or twice.

LOL...the way you play with figures and numbers, I suspect this 2,800
refers to 2.8 individuals.

You still need a Q Tip, dear.

        George M. Carter
Brian Mailman - 20 Mar 2005 17:35 GMT
>>In my entire life and around 2,800 sex partners I have had crabs once and
>>NSU once or twice.
>
> LOL...the way you play with figures and numbers, I suspect this 2,800
> refers to 2.8 individuals.

It means he switched hands 2,800 times.

B/
PaulKing - 21 Mar 2005 02:57 GMT
No. Some were threesomes. Both hands.
PaulKing - 21 Mar 2005 02:58 GMT
Dear Brian,

Funny how 'w.nkers' alwaus think everyone is like them.
PaulKing - 21 Mar 2005 02:56 GMT
The point eight was the best.
Don Saklad - 21 Mar 2005 22:32 GMT
> There is no test for harmless 'HIV'. SAY NO TO USELESS TESTS.
> http://notb4weknow.editthispag e.com/discuss/msgReader$267
> So called 'AIDS' tests simply test for harmless protein antibodies
> and are completely non specific.
> Testing could be the beginning of the road to death and ALL for
> nothing.

         1. How can testing cause death?...

> In my entire life and around 2,800 sex partners I have had crabs
> once and NSU once or twice.
> To the best of my knowledge there is no test for either.

         2. How many people did you pass your crabs on to?...
         3. Were they neutral or pissed when you passed it on to them?

> Crabs take all of five minutes to cure (I discovered ESTP - Ether
> and coal tar cream) works better than the branded medications.

         4. How would you know this unless you had crabs a lot of
            times to try the alternatives?...

> NSU was also cured with less trouble than the flu.
> Do you test for having the flu before you go out in public? I doubt
> it and yet the flu can be far worse than most stds and more easily
> transmitted.

         5. Would you like me to change the subject to diseases
            common to the Australian rabbit during a discussion of
            human STDs, but really what's the point of that?

Why the obsession with stds?

         I think this is a discussion about STDs in humans.

> Why not test for every possible disease that could be passed on?

         I think this is a discussion about STDs in humans.

> Possibly because it would make life impossible. That is why you
> absurd idea of testing for stds every trime you are about to have
> sex is a joke.
> Get on with life and cut the silly hypochondria.

         6. For example, do any of the people infected by you have
            the same positions?...

         7. And how did they react when you informed them that you
            were the person that infected them?...

         8. Were they as cavalier?.
PaulKing - 21 Mar 2005 23:49 GMT
1. It can cause death because on the basis of a useless 'false' test you
can start taking lethal medications when there is nothing wrong with you.
We will never know how many healthy people have died of AZT and HAART for
no good reason.

2. None to my knowledge. If I had they could cure them in 15 mins just
like I did so who cares?

3. No one has ever been 'pissed off' with me in that regard. I assume you
were talking of the partners not the crabs. It is hard to evaluate the
emotions of crabs as their faces are so very small.

4. Because the branded medications say they take two days and ESTP worked
in minutes.

5. That question has nothing to do with my point. Read it again.

6. All to the best of my knowledge. I avoid puritans and hypochondriacs.

7. I don't know of a single case where anyone caught either crabs or NSU
from me but as I had regular girlfriends at this period in my life I am
sure I would have if that had been the case.

8. See 7 above. If they had caught NSU (mainly a male std) or crabs which
take 15 mins to cure I am quite sure they would have hardly given it a
second thought. Do you get upset if you girlfriend gives you a cold? A
coomon cold is a far, far worse condition than many stds. You cannot cure
a cold in 15 mins flat.

Hope this answers ALL your questions.
dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu - 15 Apr 2005 06:54 GMT
There is no test for harmless 'HIV'. SAY NO TO USELESS TESTS.
So called 'AIDS' tests simply test for harmless protein
antibodies and are completely non specific.
Testing could be the beginning of the road to death and ALL for
nothing

         1. How can testing cause death?...

1. It can cause death because on the basis of a useless 'false'
test you can start taking lethal medications when there is nothing
wrong with you.  We will never know how many healthy people have
died of AZT and HAART for no good reason

         Anytime spent with this is worthless.

         If you met a suicide bomber pulling the plug what would
         you say to him?
GMCarter - 15 Apr 2005 12:15 GMT
>There is no test for harmless 'HIV'. SAY NO TO USELESS TESTS.

Obviously, this is a fraudulent posting.

>So called 'AIDS' tests simply test for harmless protein
>antibodies and are completely non specific.

Right--they should be called "HIV tests" not "AIDS tests." They test
for antibodies which indeed, in this case are harmless. Generally
antibodies ARE harmless to the host. Unfortunately, they are sometimes
harmless to the pathogen they are trying to help the body get rid of.

>Testing could be the beginning of the road to death and ALL for
>nothing

Being born is the beginning of the road to death.

>          1. How can testing cause death?...
>
>1. It can cause death because on the basis of a useless 'false'
>test you can start taking lethal medications when there is nothing
>wrong with you.  We will never know how many healthy people have
>died of AZT and HAART for no good reason

Probably very damned few. But no test is perfect. Getting tested for
other things like a viral load and CD4 count tho pretty much make it
clear if someone has HIV leading to AIDS. In the meantime, the VAST
majority of tests are accurate, whether if one tests positive or
negative.

NOT testing and allowing HIV disease to progress has resulted in LOTS
of deaths--far more than the very few documented cases (and no deaths
among them) of people inaccurately diagnosed as HIV+ and treated.

Indeed, most chapters of HEAL, distorted into denialist camps, are
gone as all their members who were HIV+ have died. A recent and
prominent member of the denialist movement, David Pasquarelli, died of
AIDS.

        George M. Carter
dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu - 15 Apr 2005 08:08 GMT
There is no test for harmless 'HIV'. SAY NO TO USELESS TESTS.
So called 'AIDS' tests simply test for harmless protein
antibodies and are completely non specific.
Testing could be the beginning of the road to death and ALL for
nothing

         1. How can testing cause death?...

1. It can cause death because on the basis of a useless 'false'
test you can start taking lethal medications when there is nothing
wrong with you.  We will never know how many healthy people have
died of AZT and HAART for no good reason

         Anytime spent with this is worthless.

         If you met a suicide bomber pulling the plug what would
         you say to him?

In my entire life and around 2,800 sex partners I have had crabs
once and NSU once or twice.
To the best of my knowledge there is no test for either

         2. How many people did you pass your crabs on to?...

         3. Were they neutral or pissed when you passed it on to
            them?

2. None to my knowledge. If I had they could cure them in 15 mins
just like I did so who cares?

         It's unbelieveable that that is true. Truth is not any
         sort of coinage this person deals with. Crabs make a
         living off the human blood stream. Another example of
         how any contact with him is worthless. Insane people
         use humor, maniacs use humor, psycopaths can be
         humorous. Somebody who doesn't have all of his
         marbles. There's no way of dertermining that to be
         true.

3. No one has ever been 'pissed off' with me in that regard. I
assume you were talking of the partners not the crabs. It is hard
to evaluate the emotions of crabs as their faces are so very small.

Crabs take all of five minutes to cure (I discovered ESTP - Ether
and coal tar cream) works better than the branded medications

         4. How would you know this unless you had crabs a lot
            of times to try the alternatives?...

4. Because the branded medications say they take two days and
ESTP worked in minutes

         There are standard products
         http://phps.dhs.co.la.ca.us/std/stdfacts/crabs.htm
         By using more powerful stuff you risk consequences of
         getting that stuff into your system.

NSU was also cured with less trouble than the flu.
Do you test for having the flu before you go out in public?
I doubt it and yet the flu can be far worse than most stds and
more easily transmitted

         5. Would you like me to change the subject to diseases
            common to the Australian rabbit during a discussion
            of human STDs, but really what's the point of that?

5. That question has nothing to do with my point. Read it again

         A person who might even be hiv postitive and passing it
         on. A person who talks like this is somehow a person
         who is trying to diminsh the consequences his behavior
         might have on somebody else. Everything he is writing
         is a way of diminishing consequences.

Why the obsession with stds?

         I think this is a discussion about STDs in humans.

Why not test for every possible disease that could be passed on?

         I think this is a discussion about STDs in humans.

Possibly because it would make life impossible. That is why you
absurd idea of testing for stds every trime you are about to have
sex is a joke.
Get on with life and cut the silly hypochondria

         6. For example, do any of the people infected by you
            have the same positions?...

         7. And how did they react when you informed them that
            you were the person that infected them?...

         8. Were they as cavalier?.

6. All to the best of my knowledge. I avoid puritans and hypochondriacs

7. I don't know of a single case where anyone caught either crabs or
NSU
from me but as I had regular girlfriends at this period in my life I am
sure I would have if that had been the case

8. See 7 above. If they had caught NSU (mainly a male std) or crabs
which
take 15 mins to cure I am quite sure they would have hardly given it a
second thought. Do you get upset if you girlfriend gives you a cold? A
coomon cold is a far, far worse condition than many stds. You cannot
cure
a cold in 15 mins flat

         All this effort on his part to push aside all the
         consequences of anything that he's doing.

         Somebody who's had 2800 sex partners even if you're a
         100 years old that's 28 sex partners a year if we cut
         that in half it means 1 sex partner a week. the luck of
         the draw that he's got something already. What are the
         odds of that?

         The goal of his thinking is to eliminate any
         responsibility so that he can go along having sex.

         This guy is just extreme in words making clear what a
         lot of others do not say.
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 22 Mar 2005 05:04 GMT
>Crabs take all of five minutes to cure

There is no single paper in any refereed journal showing that crabs
have been isolated.

NOT ONE.

>(I discovered ESTP - Ether and coal
>tar cream) works better than the branded medications.

Coal tar?  You're kidding, right?

http://hazmap.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/hazmap_generic?tbl=TblAgents&id=90

Diseases associated with exposure to this agent:
   * Contact dermatitis, photoirritant
   * Lung cancer
   * Scrotal cancer
   * Skin cancer
   * Stomach cancer

You're trying to tell us a little bit of itching is worse than CANCER.

INSANE.

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PaulKing - 22 Mar 2005 07:36 GMT
What are you going on about? Crabs can be seen with the naked eye and do
not need to be isolated.

"Coal tar?  You're kidding, right?"

Actually no. I have no idea if it is the Ether or the Coal Tar or the
combination of both but it does do the trick. After I discovered it by
accident, several friends tried it too and all had the same results.
Instant success.

Coal tar dates back to ancient times as a skin condition cure. ESTP can
cure age marks and is the best way to treat minor skin conditions. I am
amazed that ESTP has not been marketed as it is the nearest thing to a
wonder cream you could possibly find.

My guess is the coal tar traps the crabs and the Ether kills them but this
is only a guess.

If you ever know anyone with crabs have them try it and then tell me I'm
full of sh.t if it does not work. I don't believe in anything like this
but I have seen what ESTP can do again and again and on that basis am
amazed by the stuff.

Odd smell and a very thick off white cream but it does really work.
PaulKing - 22 Mar 2005 07:48 GMT
I just did a search for ESTP cream and for coal tar.

I found nothing on ESTP cream (I last bought it over twenty years ago).

I did find this on coal tar: -

    
A MAXIMUM STRENGTH 5% TAR SHAMPOO for the control of dandruff causing
conditions like seborrhea and psoriasis.

Tar helps to prevent the overproliferation of skin cells that occurs from
these skin problems.

Helps control itching, flaking and redness associated with these
conditions. Extra conditioning formula.

As always, I recommend that people with blonde, gray or bleached hair be
aware that tar may discolor hair.

_______

This explains why it works in curing skin conditions (great for pimples
and minor rashes).

      
    
Ingredients: 7.85% w/w Fractar, an extract of coal tar, equivalent to 5%
Coal Tar, Sodium Lauyrl Sulfate, Laureth-23, Cocamide DEA, Lauramine
Oxide, PEG-8, Dioctyl Sodium Sulfosuccinate

I ALSO FOUND THIS: -

Coal Tar

Brand Name(s):
Alphosyl, Aquatar, Balnetar Therapeutic Tar Bath, Cutar Water Dispersible
Emollient Tar, DHS Tar Shampoo, Denorex Medicated Shampoo, Doak Oil
Therapeutic Bath Treatment, Doctar Hair & Scalp Shampoo and Conditioner,
Estar, Exorex, Fototar, Ionil T Plus, Lavatar, Medotar, Pentrax
Anti-Dandruff Tar Shampoo, PsoriNail Topical Solution, Psorigel, T/Derm
Tar Emollient, T/Gel Therapeutic Shampoo, Taraphilic, Tarbonis, Tarpaste
"Doak", Tegrin, Tersa-Tar Soapless Tar Shampoo, Theraplex T Shampoo, Zetar

Drug Class:

Why Prescribed
To treat skin conditions including dandruff, eczema, seborrheic
dermatitis, and psoriasis.

How It Works
Coal tar promotes softening, dissolution, and peeling of hard, scaly,
roughened, or irregular surface skin. It also has antiseptic properties
and fights fungal, bacterial, and parasitic organisms.

Antipsoriasis drug

NOTE: This says it fights parasitic organisms. Now it starts to make
sense.
PaulKing - 22 Mar 2005 07:57 GMT
Coal Tar- Coal tar has been used to treat the itching and inflammation
caused by skin conditions for hundreds of years. The tar contains
chemicals that soothe the skin. Crude coal tar is a byproduct of oil
production. It makes the skin more sensitive to light. In its natural
state it is a thick, brownish-black substance that is messy to apply to
the skin. Refined coal tar preparations, many of which are available over
the counter, may be more cosmetically acceptable. Coal tar has been used
for many years to treat psoriasis and it has few side effects. However, it
does not work for everyone. In addition to being messy to use, it has a
strong odor and can stain skin and clothing. It can cause sun sensitivity,
and may irritate acute dermatitis. Tar creams or bath emulsions can be
helpful for mild inflammation of atopic dermatitis. The smell may be
offensive to some people.

http://www.internationaleczema-psoriasisfoundation.org/treatment.php4

__________

Coal Tar Products

(Color plate, Figs, d and f, Page 116)

Outline of the section: Read more about how use of coal tar products is
shown in the iris.

Signs in the Iris:

Antikamnia produces in the upper part of the iris a greyish white veil
which looks like a thin coat of whitewash. (Color plate, figs, d and f.)
Antifebrin, antipyrin and phenacetin produce a pigmentation proceeding
from the sympathetic wreath outward, in color ranging from gray to light
yellow.

Creosote and guaiacol, which are used extensively as germ killers in
tuberculosis and other germ diseases, produce a greyish or ashen veil over
the entire iris. (Color plate, Figs, a and b.) In Europe the utter
uselessness of these agents and their destructive effects have been fully
recognized and they have been practically abandoned. In this country,
however, these poisons are still widely used. The same holds true of
antitoxin and tuberculin. These serums also have been practically
abandoned by the most advanced European physicians, while here they are
rather gaining in popularity with the medical profession.

Even "harmless" germ killers, if such there be, will never prove a cure
for tuberculosis, because the tubercular bacillus is the product of the
disease, not its cause. It grows in morbid and decayed lung tissue only.

The only way to prevent the growth and multiplication of the dreaded
bacilli or their microzyma is to remove from the system the morbid and
scrofulous soil in which they thrive. Elimination, not "germ killing", is
the cure. Every germ killer is a protoplasmic poison, and that which
weakens and kills the protoplasm of bacteria and parasites also weakens
and kills the protoplasm of the normal cells of the human body.

During the last thirty years coal tar preparations have become very
popular as pain-killers and hypnotics. Antipyrin, antifebrin, phenacetin,
antikamnia, triasol and dozens of other preparations are obtained by the
distillation of coal tar. All of these agents are highly poisonous and
have a depressing and paralyzing effect on the brain, heart and
respiratory centers. The use of these agents in the form of doctor's
prescriptions, headache powders, nerve soothers, and hypnotics accounts
for the increase in heart disease and insanity much more than does the
"strenuous life". The stimulating and soothing effect of many of the
popular soft drinks, such as coca cola and bromo seltzer, is due to
poisonous stimulants, hypnotics or narcotics.

A few years ago Dr. Wiley, the government chemist, exhibited at the St.
Louis exposition a flag of the United States which had been colored by
anilin dyes extracted from canned goods. His investigations and laboratory
experiments proved that most of the foods sold in grocery stores were
adulterated not only with cheap ingredients, but also with poisonous
coloring materials and antiseptics, most of which were found to be coal
tar preparations.

In our modern artificial life people absorb poisons in many ways which
they never suspect.

http://www.irisandyou.com/coal-tar-products.htm

dye obtained from coal tar, introduced as an antiseptic in 1912 by the
German medical-research worker Paul Ehrlich and used extensively in World
War I to kill the parasites that cause sleeping sickness. The
hydrochloride and the less irritating base, neutral acriflavine, both are
odourless, reddish-brown powders used in dilute aqueous solutions
primarily as topical…

http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9003583
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 22 Mar 2005 17:37 GMT
>Creosote and guaiacol ...  In Europe the utter
>uselessness of these agents and their destructive effects have been fully
>recognized and they have been practically abandoned. ...

>During the last thirty years coal tar preparations have become very
>popular as pain-killers and hypnotics. ...
>All of these agents are highly poisonous ...

Don't you even bother to *read* your sources before you quote them?

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PaulKing - 22 Mar 2005 08:03 GMT
Is I had no idea until just now that coal tar was used to kill parasites.

I tried it once when I had crabs, just for the hell of it, and it worked
like a dream.

I did no research and it was just a stroke of luck.

Now, well over thirty five years latter, because someone accused me of
being an idiot, I research the stuff a little and find out it is proven to
kill parasites.

What is interesting about this is it shows how many natural cures could
have been discovered....just by chance.

Thanks DM Canzi for this little bit of interesting insight.
PaulKing - 22 Mar 2005 08:36 GMT
...once again DMCanzi.

Not that you have the class to ever admit an error.
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 22 Mar 2005 17:50 GMT
For what?  I pointed out that coal tar causes cancer, and your
rejoinder was, essentially, "but it kills crab lice."

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PaulKing - 23 Mar 2005 01:11 GMT
You are SUCH a low life.

You made fun of my claim that coal tar kills crabs. Your actual words were
: "You must be kidding".

Well. I didn't expect you had the class to apologise.

Right once again.
David Canzi -- non-mailable - 23 Mar 2005 01:21 GMT
>You are SUCH a low life.
>
>You made fun of my claim that coal tar kills crabs. Your actual words were
>: "You must be kidding".

I was not questioning the claim that coal tar kills crabs.
http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=d1o5gs%244ug%241%40rumours.uwaterloo.ca

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PaulKing - 24 Mar 2005 00:17 GMT
Could have fooled me.
 
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