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Rock and porn stars - Far below avrage 'AIDS'
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PaulKing - 01 Mar 2005 23:49 GMT YOUR LINK: -
http://www.av1611.org/rockdead.html
NOTE: This is EVERY death of a Rock star we've found.
FROM A RELIGIOUS PURITAN FANATICS SITE
ROCKS STAR WHO DIED OF AIDS: - 4 (In 23 years)
Freddie Mercury Queen 91-11-24 45 Aids David Mankaba Bhundu Boys 91-10-.. Aids Fela Kuti 97-08-02 58 Aids Sean Hayes 95-07-12 49 Aids
Four (mainly obscure) 'rock stars in twenty years. There have been more than 25,000 rock groups over that period in America with an average of four members each.
That gives a figure (if you even believe they really died of 'AIDS') of 4 in 100,000.
The U.S. national average is 6 per 100,000 meaning that this highly sexually active as far lower 'AIDS' than the national average.
FAR LOWER.
So much for 'AIDS' being an std.
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PORN STARS http://www.rame.net/faq/deadporn/
JUST ONE SINGLE FEMALE PORN STAR IN 23 YEARS.
In that time there have been at least 50,000 American female porn actresses.
That means a 2. per 100,000 rate. THREE TIMES LOWER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
Odd that people who have thousands of sex acts with hundreds and hundreds of partners have a tiny fraction of the 'AIDS' compared to the general population.
Gary Stein - 02 Mar 2005 01:07 GMT > YOUR LINK: - > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > JUST ONE SINGLE FEMALE PORN STAR IN 23 YEARS. How many male Porn stars Paul?
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PaulKing - 02 Mar 2005 02:22 GMT Fifteen or so. Nearly all gay.
As anyone who is gay and a porn star will automatically be called 'high risk' (and whatever they are suffering from labeled 'AIDS) that is hardly surprising.
Even 15 is hardly above the national average.
dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu - 02 Mar 2005 05:15 GMT Didn't you claim there were NONE?
And do we know how many died from other causes, like drug overdoses, suicides, car crashes, that might have died from AIDs had they lived longer?
And does anybody know what all other known rock stars dies from? And how many years are we talking about?
We would need the records for rock stars over the last hundred years to determine any real figures about causes of death. Oh, so you are saying rock stars are a relatively new phenomenon, so many of them are still less than average life span. How silly not to take that into account!
> YOUR LINK: - > http://www.av1611.org/rockdead.html [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > So much for 'AIDS' being an std. > POINT MADE PaulKing - 02 Mar 2005 06:20 GMT Re: rock stars Posted by Paul King on 3/2/2005; 2:14:54 AM 2 reads
"that might have died from AIDS had they lived longer?"
You really are a touch insane. So why did the thousands who did not die in car crashes not get so called 'AIDS'?
Do you really believe the garbage you post. I fear so.
P.S. Freddy was a Poppers freak and the other I have not even heard of (hardly rock stars). The fact remains that this highly sexually active bunch with their thousands of groupies have far, far BELOW average 'AIDS'.
Explain that.
dsaklad@zurich.csail.mit.edu - 02 Mar 2005 05:31 GMT porn stars, rock stars, celebrities who died from acquired immune deficiency syndrome
porn stars who died from aids http://www.rame.net/faq/deadporn/ http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=porn+stars+who+died+fr om+aids
rock stars who died from aids http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=rock+stars+who+died+fr om+aids
celebrities who died from aids http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&q=celebrities+who+died+f rom+aids
PaulKing - 02 Mar 2005 06:22 GMT YOUR LINK: -
http://www.av1611.org/rockdead.html
The fear of the LORD prolongeth days: but the years of the wicked shall be shortened. Proverbs 10:27 NOTE: This is EVERY death of a Rock star we've found.
A RELIGIOUS PURITAN FANATICS SITE
ROCKS STAR WHO DIED OF AIDS: - 4 (In 23 years)
Freddie Mercury Queen 91-11-24 45 Aids David Mankaba Bhundu Boys 91-10-.. Aids Fela Kuti 97-08-02 58 Aids Sean Hayes 95-07-12 49 Aids
Four (mainly obscure) 'rock stars in twenty years. There have been more than 25,000 rock groups over that period in America with an average of four members each.
That gives a figure (if you even believe they really died of 'AIDS') of 4 in 100,000.
The U.S. national average is 6 per 100,000 meaning that this highly sexually active as far lower 'AIDS' than the national average.
FAR LOWER.
So much for 'AIDS' being an std.
POINT MADE
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From your link: -
JUST ONE SINGLE FEMALE PORN STAR IN 23 YEARS.
In that time there have been at least 50,000 American female porn actresses.
That means a 2. per 100,000 rate. THREE TIMES LOWER THAN THE NATIONAL AVERAGE.
Odd that people who have thousands of sex acts with hundreds and hundreds of partners have a tiny fraction of the 'AIDS' compared to the general population.
PaulKing - 02 Mar 2005 06:46 GMT I could find NOTHING on Sean Hayes
So we have one heart failure, one Poppers addict (Freddy Mercury) and one very obscure musician in South Africa left.
A total of two that could even possibly be called 'AIDS'.
Pathetic
Hardly an impressive list for over twenty years taken world wide.
As I said Rock Stars don't get so called 'AIDS'.
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 02 Mar 2005 06:21 GMT >ROCKS STAR WHO DIED OF AIDS: - 4 (In 23 years) > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Four (mainly obscure) 'rock stars in twenty years. Obscure indeed. I've only ever heard of one of them. Or maybe two... Freddie Mercury's name sounds kind of familiar.
>There have been more >than 25,000 rock groups over that period in America with an average of >four members each. > >That gives a figure (if you even believe they really died of 'AIDS') of 4 >in 100,000.
>The U.S. national average is 6 per 100,000 meaning that this highly >sexually active as far lower 'AIDS' than the national average. A count of the number of rock bands that have existed in a 23 year period would include bands that existed for far less than the whole 23 years, bands unknown outside of the one or a few cities where they played, bands that never got played on the air, bands that never cut a record. Most members of most rock bands, if they died of AIDS, would not be included in any list of rock stars who had died of AIDS.
When you multiply the number of bands by their average membership, you count everybody who has been in more than one band once for each band he or she has been in.
If you were calculating the rate of AIDS deaths among movie stars, you wouldn't include the extras from crowd scenes in your divisor. You wouldn't count each extra once for each movie he or she appeared in.
Actually, *you* probably would.
But honest people wouldn't.
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PaulKing - 02 Mar 2005 07:55 GMT If these people found David Mankaba, Fela Kuti (who actually died of 'heart failure)and Sean Hayes (who I could find nothing about re cause of death) they sure did a thorough job of research.
Your attempt to evade the truth is as pathetic as usual.
Any 'rock star' of the slightest note would be publicized to the four winds if they were said to have died of 'AIDS' , as you well know.
Brian Mailman - 02 Mar 2005 16:55 GMT >>ROCKS STAR WHO DIED OF AIDS: - 4 (In 23 years) >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Obscure indeed. I've only ever heard of one of them. Or maybe two... > Freddie Mercury's name sounds kind of familiar. think of the song 'we are the champions..."
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PaulKing - 02 Mar 2005 21:15 GMT I was not saying Freddie was 'obscure', just the other three or should I say two as one died of 'heart failure'' not so called 'AIDS'.
DavidT - 03 Mar 2005 16:45 GMT Porn Stars who died of AIDS: (imagine how many more have died of HIV but disguised the fact)
Keith Anthoni (1952-1991) Keith Ardent Miss Arroyo Ben Barker (1951-1995) Scott Bond Brad Braverman Tony Bravo (1958-1990) Jeremy Brent Arthur Bressan, Jr. (1943-1987) Chris Burns (1958-1995) Buster (1956-1991) Dave Connors Jake Corbin (1963-1992) Luc Coulton (1959-1993) Pierce Daniels (1958-1995) Mike Davis (d. 1986) Johnny Dawes (1955-1989) Jessica Dee (b. 1978) Morelle DeKeigh Lisa De Leeuw (1958-1993) Ken Diamond Melchor Diaz Glenn Dime (d. 1992) Ed Dinakos (1954-1994) Casey Donovan (1943-1987) Nick Elliot (1942-1990) Lon Flexx (1965-1995) Mason Flynt Brett Ford Roy Garret (1955-1992) Ryder Hansen (1957-1989) Mike Henson (1963-2002) Bill Harrison (1947-1991) Chuck Holmes (1945-2000) John Holmes (1944-1988) Kurt Houston (1964-1997) Darren James Thom Katt Steve Kennedy Jon King (1963-1995) J.W. King (1955-1986) Jesse Koehler (1957-1988) Tim Kramer (1958-1992) Steve Kreig Chris Ladd (1960-1990) Lance (1962-1991) Lei Lani Jeff Lawrence (1950-1994) Richard Locke (1941-1996) Clint Lockner (1943-1993) Steve Loignon Lucky Luc (1951-1992) Luke (1959-1989) Craig Markle (d. 1993) Val Martin Lisa Meléndez (d. 1999) Jim Moore (1961-1988) Wade Nichols (d. 1985) Scott O'Hara (1961-1998) Sparky O'Toole (1967-1999) Al Parker (1952-1992) Paul Pellettieri Jaap Penrat Brad Peters (1958-1994) Christopher Rage (1948-1991) Tyler Regan Lee Richards (1951-1985) Nick Rogers Lara Roxx Zeff Ryan (d. 1992) Lee Ryder (1959-1991) Bob Shane (1961-1987) Joe Simmons (1959-1995) Jason Steele (1950-1995) Glenn Steers (1958-1994) Marc Stevens (d. 1989) Eric Stone (1959-1996) Eric Stryker (1954-1988) Steve Taylor (1954-1994) Steve Taylor (1940-1986) Chet Thomas (1959-1997) Jim Ed Thompson (1946-1988) Kip Tyler (d. 1995) Marco Vassi Frank Vickers (1948-1991) Darryl Weld (1965-1991) Ryan Wagner Chris Williams (1967-1991) Joey Yale (1949-1986)
Death - 03 Mar 2005 17:18 GMT "DavidT" <david199@volcanomail.com> wrote in message Porn Stars who died of AIDS: (imagine how many more have died of HIV but disguised the fact)
Then there are the people who they infected. That would be quite an impressive number as well.
PaulKing - 03 Mar 2005 22:15 GMT Scott Bond died of liver failure
Tyler Regan died of Valley fever
John Holmes died of heart failure
Joe immonds died of 'complications'
Kurt Huston died of Liver Failure
Scott O'Hara died of lymphoma
Chuck Holmes died of 'complications'
Karen Dior died of cirrhosis of the liver
Exact data on the REAL cause of death on the other is not available.
NOTE: - ALL GAY MEN . NOT A HETERO OR FEMALE AMONG THEM.
PaulKing - 03 Mar 2005 22:24 GMT When you examine the so called 'AIDS' deaths closely what you find is mainly deaths from 'AIDS' medications (liver failure, heart failure) and that ONLY gay male porn stars are said to have died of 'AIDS'.
The rock scene only has had three cases of 'AIDS' and they are al gay males.
Conclusive proof that 'AIDS' is not an std unless you believe in an std that ONLY attacks gay men who take drugs (Poppers) and live in urban areas.
Even the numbers of gay male porn stars when spread over twenty plus years is tiny and only a bit above the national average.
PaulKing - 03 Mar 2005 22:15 GMT Scott Bond died of liver failure
Tyler Regan died of Valley fever
John Holmes died of heart failure
Joe immonds died of 'complications'
Kurt Huston died of Liver Failure
Scott O'Hara died of lymphoma
Chuck Holmes died of 'complications'
Karen Dior died of cirrhosis of the liver
Exact data on the REAL cause of death on the other is not available.
NOTE: - ALL GAY MEN . NOT A HETERO OR FEMALE AMONG THEM.
PaulKing - 03 Mar 2005 22:28 GMT Fourty eight porn stars died of murder or suicide in the same twenty year period
That puts the low 'AIDS' figures in perspective.
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 05 Mar 2005 16:52 GMT >I was not saying Freddie was 'obscure', We've got you seeing accusations that aren't there and reacting defensively to them. Excellent.
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David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 05 Mar 2005 17:05 GMT >> In article ><88be93d2d2f40edc23f59e18f89f4a11@localhost.talkabouthealthnetwork.com>, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >think of the song 'we are the champions..." <sigh> Another joke falls flat on USENET.
I was trying to imply that I knew one name on that list, and a second name, "Freddie Mercury", also sounded slightly familiar.
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PaulKing - 02 Mar 2005 06:30 GMT According to the article by Chido Nwangwu in USAfrica ONLINE, he died on Saturday August 2, 1997 after several weeks of illness at the age of 58. "
The immediate cause of death of Fela was heart failure but there were many complications arising from the Acquired Immuno-Deficiency Syndrome.
The same old B.S. Liver failure and heart failure being called 'AIDS".
http://biochem.chem.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~endo/EAFela.html
Death - 04 Mar 2005 14:31 GMT > According to the article by Chido Nwangwu in USAfrica ONLINE, he died on > Saturday August 2, 1997 after several weeks of illness at the age of 58. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > http://biochem.chem.nagoya-u.ac.jp/~endo/EAFela.html U.N.: AIDS May Kill 80M Africans by 2025 By ANTHONY MITCHELL, Associated Press Writer ADDIS ABABA, Ethiopia (AP) --
More than 80 million Africans may die from AIDS by 2025, the United Nations said in a report released Friday, and infections could soar to 90 million - or more than 10 percent of the continent's population - if more isn't done soon to fight the disease.
More than 25 million African have been infected with HIV, the virus that causes AIDS. UNAIDS estimated that nearly $200 billion is needed to save 16 million people from death and 43 million people from becoming infected, but donors have pledged nowhere near that amount.
In its report, "AIDS in Africa," the U.N. agency examines three potential scenarios for the continent in the next 20 years depending on the international community's response.
Researchers determined that even with massive funding and better treatment, the number of Africans who will die from AIDS is likely to top 67 million in the next two decades.
"What we do today will change the future," concluded the report, drawn up by some of the world's leading experts on HIV and AIDS. "These scenarios demonstrate that, while societies will have to deal with AIDS for some time to come, the extent of the epidemic's impact will depend on the responses and investment now."
The three scenarios include a best-case situation, a middle-case and a doomsday scenario. They all warn that the worst of the epidemic's impact is still to come.
"There is no single policy prescription that will change the outcome of the epidemic," the report stated. "The death toll will continue to rise no matter what is done."
Under the worst-case scenario, experts have plotted current policies and funding over the next two decades.
"It offers a disturbing window on the future death toll across the continent, with the cumulative number of people dying from AIDS increasing more than fourfold," it says. "The number of children orphaned by the epidemic will continue to rise beyond 2025."
While there is no cure for HIV or AIDS, anti-retroviral drugs can allow sufferers to live a normal life. Such drugs, though, are too expensive for most Africans, who live on less than a dollar a day and don't have access to modern health care.
Experts have said donors' money needs to be spent to train more health workers, develop better clinics and subsidize medications as well as promote more prevention programs.
AIDS already has a devastating impact on Africa.
UNAIDS has reported that life expectancy in nine countries has dropped to below 40 because of the disease. There are already 11 million orphans because of AIDS, while 6,500 people are dying each day. In 2004, 3.1 million Africans were newly infected, the agency said.
"If by 2025, millions of African people are still becoming infected with HIV each year, these scenarios suggest that it will not be because there was no choice," the report said. "It will be because, collectively, there was insufficient political will to change behavior at all levels, from the institution, to the community, to the individual, and halt the forces driving the AIDS epidemic in Africa."
Hundreds of experts and people living with the virus helped draw up the report.
Alex - 04 Mar 2005 20:26 GMT > > According to the article by Chido Nwangwu in USAfrica ONLINE, he died on > > Saturday August 2, 1997 after several weeks of illness at the age of 58. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > or more than 10 percent of the continent's population - if more isn't done > soon to fight the disease. They can't even tell you how many Africans died of AIDS last year, let alone 20 years from now.
Talk about the blatant abuse of statistics.
Alex
PaulKing - 06 Mar 2005 06:38 GMT Well said Alex.
Alex - 06 Mar 2005 17:46 GMT > Well said Alex. Thanks Paul.
And what's more - consider the source. Peter Piot and UNAIDS do not have a good track record of predicting anything about Africa.
Look at their failure to predict the future of Uganda, 22 years ago. They said that Uganda had huge HIV infection rates (30%? 33%?). Uganda has the highest population growth in the world, as far as I can see - well over 3% per year.
And now, they have come out with a statement that a lethal disease like AIDS actually DOES lower fertility... The only logical conclusion of that can be, that Uganda never had a lethal HIV epidemic to begin with.
Alex
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