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complete disconnect between AIDS/deaths and CD4/viral load

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George DeCarlo - 25 Feb 2005 04:21 GMT
Here is an important paper because it is an admission by the AIDS
mainstream that there is a very serious disconnect between the current
practice of using AIDS surrogate markers (CD4 and viral load) as
indicators of therapeutic benefit of the anti-HIV drugs. At the bottom
is a revealing excerpt.

Dave
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From:

Olsen, CH et al, Risk of AIDS and death at given HIV-RNA and CD4 cell
counts, in relation to specific antiretroviral drugs in the regimen
AIDS 2005, 19:319-330

complete pdf is 260 kb. I will send it on request.

Extract:

However, our results suggest that for a given CD4 cell count, HIV-RNA
and time from start of the drug (plus the other factors that we
adjusted for in our model) the risk of AIDS or death is the same,
regardless of the specific antiretroviral drug being used. It is
important to note that these results do not suggest that the regimens
assessed have equal clinical efficacy. Several published randomized
clinical trials have shown that different regimens have different
capacities to decrease the HIV-RNA and raise the CD4 cell count and
this will lead to a difference in clinical efficacy for different drug
regimens.

Complete reliance on the ability of surrogate endpoints to evaluate
treatment effect has led to adverse clinical outcome in other disease
areas; one example being antiarrhythmia drugs [42]. Therefore it is
imperative to revisit and validate historical assumptions on a regular
basis, especially in the case of new drug regimens [1].

To be an ideal surrogate, two basic conditions should be satisfied,
namely that the surrogate marker is a correlate of the clinical outcome
being the only causal pathway of the disease process, and that the
intervention's entire effect on the clinical outcome is mediated
through its effect on the surrogate [18,43]. The use of surrogate
markers such as

...

... However, the above-mentioned references suggest that also in the
field of HIV, it is necessary to validate surrogate markers against
effect markers regularly to evaluate the true treatment effect of drugs
and the predictive ability of surrogate markers on clinical
progression. The relevance of these type of analyses is evident,
knowing that complete reliance have been made on the virologic and
immunologic markers to measure treatment effect of drugs released after
1997, even though the relative proportion of non-AIDS-related death has
increased during the period of combination and highly active
antiretroviral therapy, and treatment effects and regimens have changed
dramatically since the release of these newer drugs [43,54].
PaulKing - 25 Feb 2005 10:04 GMT
You sure do come up with some really first rate material.

I am reposting many of your articles as they deserve a wider exposure.

Thank you for your wonderful work.

Paul
Gary Stein - 25 Feb 2005 21:14 GMT
> Here is an important paper because it is an admission by the AIDS
> mainstream that there is a very serious disconnect between the current
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
> this will lead to a difference in clinical efficacy for different drug
> regimens.

Well you will need to present the entire PDF because what you quote above
does not at all agree with the statement in your subject line. How I read
the above paragraph is that what the authors are saying is;

In the last sentence they acknowledge that different drug combinations have
different clinical efficacies based on there ability to decrease HIV-RNA and
raise CD4 counts, thus affirming that these markers correlate to the
"clinical efficacy" of any set of drugs. By the way this statement also puts
to rest Paul's argument that "there is no evidence of HAARTS clinical
efficacy".

The first part of the quoted paragraph is saying that based on a given CD4
count and Viral Load number (which means they are comparing patients with
the same CD4 counts and Viral Loads who are taking different drugs) the risk
of AIDS or death is the same for that group of people. You are implying that
the paper shows that there is no difference between AIDS and Death no matter
what a patients CD4 count or Viral Load is, that is simply not said in what
you posted nor can it be supported due to the thousands of studies that have
shown  exactly the opposite.

Study after study shows direct correlation between CD4, Viral Load counts
and disease progression. The most convincing of these studies are the ones
that took patient case history information blinded it in such a way that the
investigators doing the analysis saw only a patient identifier code, the
dates of CD4 and Viral Load tests and the results of those tests, while
hiding the rest of the patients history. The scientists then studied the
data and made predictions as the to outcomes of those patients as to there
progression to AIDS and death. Then those predications were compared to what
actually happened to the real patients and found that the predications were
incredibly accurate in predicting when the patient will progress to AIDS and
when the patient will die.

Gary Stein
 
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