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MAKGATHO MANDELA, 54  

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Alex - 13 Feb 2005 22:24 GMT
http://www.nypress.com/18/2/news&columns/celiafarber.cfm

MAKGATHO MANDELA, 54

By Celia Farber

The global media is a Kabuki theater of exaggerated gestures.
Headlines must somehow reaffirm or inflame preexisting beliefs
and emotions, or they don't work. In AIDS, nothing is accurate
or true anymore, but the Kabuki dance is understood by all-the
stories are gestures.

Yesterday, the global headlines declared that Nelson Mandela's
son had died of AIDS. They were loaded with subtext intended
to reinforce emotions borne by the name "Mandela" and the
word "AIDS." They are a political statement-a Kabuki gesture
to rouse the crowds into favorable feelings toward Nelson Mandela
and hostility toward his successor, Thabo Mbeki, who does not
exploit AIDS for political gain or sentimental posturing.

Only one problem: Mandela's son did not die of AIDS. According
to Makgatho Mandela's own brother-in-law, quoted in the
Washington Post, 'the immediate cause of Makghato's death was
complications from a gall bladder operation on Nov. 30.' He also
said that Mandela had had trouble with his pancreas. This is a
classic toxicity profile for a person who has been on anti-HIV
drugs, which Mandela's brother in law, Dr. Isaac Amuah,
confirmed that he had been, for over a year.

Follow the AIDS logic here: When the son of South Africa's
most famous, iconic man dies, it becomes clear that he has
been given "access" to the very anti-retroviral drugs that Mbeki
is supposedly denying people. (Not true: Anybody who wants
the drugs can get them.) When he nonetheless dies on the
life-saving regimen, he is touted as having died of AIDS,
despite having actually died of known toxicities from the drugs
themselves. Then his father announces to the press that he
wants to stress that his son died of AIDS in order to "demystify
the disease" and make it "an ordinary disease, like any other."

Mandela must not have read-or must be in denial of-the recent
press reports in which cocktail-therapy deaths are finally being
called what they are: drug deaths.
PaulKing - 13 Feb 2005 23:22 GMT
Nice to see Celia back on the scene. I have been commucating with her of
late and admire her greatly.

Long live Celia!
Bong - 14 Feb 2005 02:17 GMT
> http://www.nypress.com/18/2/news&columns/celiafarber.cfm
>
> MAKGATHO MANDELA, 54
>
> By Celia Farber

It's Aids Alex again - you must have Aids on the brain (literally).
Skokkie - 14 Feb 2005 16:41 GMT
> > http://www.nypress.com/18/2/news&columns/celiafarber.cfm
> >
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>
> It's Aids Alex again - you must have Aids on the brain (literally).

He has a good creative imagination though - I wonder how much he is paid?
Alex - 14 Feb 2005 21:10 GMT
> > http://www.nypress.com/18/2/news&columns/celiafarber.cfm
> >
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>
> It's Aids Alex again - you must have Aids on the brain (literally).

Can't have AIDS on the brain, literally.

Alex
GMCarter - 14 Feb 2005 22:02 GMT
>Can't have AIDS on the brain, literally.

But HIV infection in the central nervous system may result in minor
cognitive motor disorder and various stages of dementia. Peripheral
infection results in neuropathy.

HIV disease is, like other retroviral infections, associated with
neurological disease and lean tissue wasting.

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 14 Feb 2005 23:28 GMT
So you say. Nonsense, total nonsense.
GMCarter - 15 Feb 2005 09:35 GMT
>So you say. Nonsense, total nonsense.

Yes, most of what you write is total nonsense, I agree.
Alex - 15 Feb 2005 01:22 GMT
> >Can't have AIDS on the brain, literally.
>
> But HIV infection in the central nervous system may result in minor
> cognitive motor disorder and various stages of dementia. Peripheral
> infection results in neuropathy.

He said Aids "on" the brain, _literally_. That would be "on top of",
or somewhere above the brain.

> HIV disease is, like other retroviral infections, associated with
> neurological disease and lean tissue wasting.

But only sometimes. Sort of.

Alex

Alex
GMCarter - 15 Feb 2005 09:38 GMT
>> >Can't have AIDS on the brain, literally.
>>
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>He said Aids "on" the brain, _literally_. That would be "on top of",
>or somewhere above the brain.

What does it matter what he said? It was foolishness that needed to be
corrected.

>> HIV disease is, like other retroviral infections, associated with
>> neurological disease and lean tissue wasting.
>
>But only sometimes. Sort of.

Yep. Not EVERYONE with HIV develops neurological disease or wasting,
especially as these generally occur with lower CD4 counts and may be
averted by using antiretroviral therapy. Others, esp. without access
to treatment, wind up with an OI and dying before wasting occurs to
any significant degree.

However, huge percentages of people with HIV do suffer these problems.

        George M. Carter
Skokkie - 15 Feb 2005 18:55 GMT
> >> >Can't have AIDS on the brain, literally.
> >>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
>
> George M. Carter

He has AIDS on the brain as originally stated - AIDS is a sexually
transmitted disease and Alex is totally F***ed in the head ( a true sexual
intellectual) - so that's how he got it !
PaulKing - 16 Feb 2005 11:54 GMT
You are the idiot Skokkie.

A real fool devoid of any interlect.
GMCarter - 17 Feb 2005 04:00 GMT
>You are the idiot Skokkie.
>
>A real fool devoid of any interlect.

Hee-hee..."interlect" thar....whoo-hoo!
DOH!
Homersexual
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 14 Feb 2005 18:30 GMT
>By Celia Farber
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>despite having actually died of known toxicities from the drugs
>themselves.

Gall bladder surgery is an AIDS drug toxicity?

Dr. Amuah blamed the unspecified surgical complications for Makgatho
Mandela's death, not the unnamed pancreatic condition.  There is not
enough information here to decide whether the surgical complications
were related to AIDS, AIDS drugs, both, or neither.  There is not
enough information to decide whether the pancreatic trouble was
related to AIDS, AIDS drugs, both, or neither.  There is not enough
information to decide whether the pancreatic condition and surgical
complications were related or unrelated.

This is not a completed argument.  It's a smattering of argument
fragments Frankenstitched together with unstated assumptions and
knowing wiggles of the eyebrows, wink wink, nudge nudge, know what
I mean?

Signature

David Canzi

Gary Stein - 14 Feb 2005 19:33 GMT
> http://www.nypress.com/18/2/news&columns/celiafarber.cfm
>
> MAKGATHO MANDELA, 54
>
> By Celia Farber

(snip Celia useual garbage)

> Follow the AIDS logic here: When the son of South Africa's
> most famous, iconic man dies, it becomes clear that he has
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> wants to stress that his son died of AIDS in order to "demystify
> the disease" and make it "an ordinary disease, like any other."

Celia's statement above that "(Not true: Anybody who wants the drugs can get
them.)" is patently false and just another example of her typical lies and
propaganada tactics.

Gary Stein
 
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