Medical Forum / Diseases and Disorders / AIDS / January 2005
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Death - 25 Jan 2005 00:58 GMT By M.E. Sprengelmeyer, Rocky Mountain News January 24, 2005
WASHINGTON - The fight over same-sex marriage is about to vault to the top of the congressional agenda today, when U.S. Sen. Wayne Allard plans to reintroduce a measure that would define marriage nationally as being between one man and one woman.
Last year's version of the proposed constitutional amendment was shelved after a hard-fought procedural vote, when it gained only 48 of the 60 votes needed to bring it up for final approval.
Since then, 11 states passed their own versions of a same-sex marriage ban.
Meanwhile, the November elections swept out several senators who voted to block Allard's bill - most notably Senate Democratic Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota.
"We think we have more support this time than we had last time around," said Allard, R-Loveland.
As of Sunday, he had lined up at least 12 co-sponsors, including Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. But Allard still does not know if he has the required two-thirds vote for final Senate passage.
Allard's measure, called the Marriage Protection Amendment, faces fierce opposition from gay and lesbian groups and human rights organizations that equate it to adding discrimination to the U.S. Constitution.
"We've never institutionalized a slap against a community in the Constitution before, and there's no reason to do it now," Julie Tolleson, spokeswoman for Equal Rights Colorado, said Sunday evening.
Others, including both Democrats and Republicans, say they support traditional marriage but think a constitutional amendment is unnecessary - at least for now.
The Massachusetts Supreme Court sparked the divisive debate when it cleared the way for gay and lesbian couples to begin marrying in that state last year.
A law passed during President Clinton's administration, the Defense of Marriage Act, provides that states are not required to recognize same-sex marriages granted in places such as Massachusetts.
President Bush, who supports a constitutional ban on same-sex marriages, raised eyebrows among conservative Christian supporters recently when he told The Washington Post that Congress might not take action as long as DOMA remains in effect.
"The point is, is that senators have made it clear that so long as DOMA is deemed constitutional, nothing will happen," Bush told the newspaper, according to the White House transcript.
Allard said he believes Republican Senate leaders will send a different message today. He expects his amendment to be designated Concurrent Resolution 1, indicating at least symbolically that it is the top legislative priority.
To become reality, the marriage amendment would require two-thirds majorities for passage in both the U.S. Senate and House of Representatives. It then would require ratification by three-quarters of the states.
KellyJonLandis - 27 Jan 2005 03:44 GMT Dear "Death"
What is your purpose in reposting this article on same-sex marriage to an AIDS discussion forum?
Kelly Jon Landis
VIRUSMYTH http://forums.delphiforums.com/innocuous
Death - 27 Jan 2005 14:34 GMT "KellyJonLandis" <kjlandis@alumni.usc.edu> wrote in message
> Dear "Death" > > What is your purpose in reposting this article on same-sex marriage to an > AIDS discussion forum? Hello Kelly, Do you not believe same sex is the outstanding cause of aids transmission ?
AIDS Cases by Exposure Category
Exposure Category Estimated # of AIDS Cases, Through 2003
Male-to-male sexual contact 440,887
Injection Drug Use 175,988
Male-to-male sexual contact and injection drug use 62,418
Heterosexual contact 56,403 Other* 14,191
* Includes hemophilia, blood transfusion, perinatal, and risk not reported or not identified. Back to top
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm#exposure
KellyJonLandis - 27 Jan 2005 20:52 GMT DEATH writes: << Hello Kelly, Do you not believe same sex is the outstanding cause of aids transmission? >>
Dear "Death,"
Well, that's the official line of the AIDS Authorities. Yet since I question authority when it doesn't make sense, I disblieve gay men are 'at risk' for who they love. What I actually believe is that the AIDS Industry Apologists have selectively biased gay men in terms of 'HIV' testing policy and procedure.
SMART BUGS ER SMART BOMBS?
HIV cannot be the cause or the sole cause of AIDS. Why would a virus infect 1% of the US population and 30% of some African countries? Why would a virus cause different symptoms depending on your age, gender, race or sexual orientation and geographic location? Why hasn't 20 years worth of research and billions of dollars spent created a vaccine or cure or safe and effective treatment? Why do the pharmaceutical companies, AIDS Industry and government agencies censor the scientists, doctors and laypeople that raise these critical questions and provide reasonable answers? AIDS Dissidents raise critical questions about the accuracy and specificity of the 'HIV' antibody tests and the redefinition and misdiagnosis of all the old diseases that are now lumped under the 'AIDS' catagory-- as well as the safety and efficacy of drug cocktails, condoms and lubricants. After more than 20 years and billions of dollars in research, there is still no proof that anyone has ever been infected with a retrovirus that is the underlying cause of all the old diseases now called 'AIDS.'
Dissidents dissent from a legitimate scientific and medical bases as to the causatives and curatives for 29 previously known and unrelated 'AIDS' clinically redefined illnesses, all of which occur in those diagnosed'HIV' non-specific antibody negative. So, besides the definition and diagnosis of what is called 'AIDS' Dissidents are also challenging the accuracy and specifity of the 'HIV' non-specific antibody tests to measure infection with any virus since there are over 60+ known cross-reactors from pregnancy to the flu to immunizations to hepatitis to transfusions and on and on. For these reasons and more, we call for a free scientific inquiry and exchange at conferences and in college prep and continuing education courses, letting others know of the conflicts in research methodologies and ideologies which prevent our progress in the knowledge about the health of persons given an 'HIV/AIDS' [mis]diagnosis.
We endorse a multi-factorial approach to immune suficiency and sustainability in addressing the oxidative stressors including physical[malnutrition], chemical[toxicologic], biological[dis-ease], psychological[chronic stress], and spiritual[religious reconciling]-- of which 'HIV' non-specific, non-confirmatory marker positivity is no reliable indicator of worthiness or wellness.
We are disbelievers in a '[SAME]SEXUAL=SIN=SICKNESS' mindset having lead for many to the unquestioned acceptance of the 'HIV=AIDS=DEATH' paradigm.
BUGGERY, BUG CHASING and BAREBACKING http://forums.delphiforums.com/innocuous/messages?msg=619.1
RETHINKING SOCALLED 'SAFE-SEX' SLIDE EFFECTS AND CONDOMANIA [INDEX OF PAPERS] http://www.virusmyth.net/aids/index/safesex.htm
A LINK TO DISCUSSION THREAD WITH OTHER ARTICLES, PAPERS ON THE SAFETY AND EFFICACY OF CONDOMS ["CONDOMNATION"] http://groups.msn.com/dissident-action/condomnation.msnw
INTRODUCTION and BACKGROUND SUMMARY:
1) Many heterosexuals engage in anal sex, yet are not selectively biased under the PPVs or Positive Predictive Values formulary labeling gay men as 'at risk' for who they love. Prevention education programs focused on testing and retesting of all gay men which 5% population represented about 40% of all 'HIV' tests given. If they heterosexuals are tested, their results are more likely to be interpreted as cross-reactive or indeterminant because they are not in a 'high risk' group, so even if they would just as frequently test 'HIV' antibody positive they are not being tested proportionately. The 'HIV' non-specific antibody tests do not measure 'HIV' infection and with over 60 known cross-reactors, do not establish probable cause to live and love in fear.
2) Semen may cause minor antigenic overstimulation or even temporary and minor immune supression, which also occurs, by the way, in women who develop morning sickness upon conception to allow furtilization of the egg. It has not been established by Scientists as to the quantity or quality of semen that may be more or less antigenic stimulation or immune suppressive and this deserves further study. Human contact and certainly human physical and sexual intimacy is never 'safe' by nature. We risk our most intimate and whole selves. Yet gay men have been having anal sex throughout history, and most gay men who do practise anal sex are not testing 'HIV' non-specific antibody positive, yet with the added stress upon an emerging gay subculture and the widespread use of street drugs in the late 1970s, and other health-style factors that are important in all illness/wellness equations-- combined to contribute to aquired immune deficiencies among a certain sub-set of gay men. Yet, all gay men were assumed 'at risk' by the CDC in the 1980s because 'AIDS' was assumed to have a homosexual pathology or sexual transmission, even though there were many known health-style factors of the original sub-group of gay men, originally described as 'GRID'[Gay Related Immune Deficiency]. This, even though all of the CDC's official 29 'AIDS' defining conditions occur in those diagnosed 'HIV' negative and all have well documented causes and treatments unrelated to 'HIV/AIDS.' KS is one of the original defining condition, originally called the 'gay cancer' was first described in the literature in the 1800s and is seen today among middle eastern men. Today, KS is rarely seen in 'AIDS' patients and remains confined to gay men diagnosed with 'AIDS' though Gallo, the alleged 'co-discover' of the putative 'HIV' and other mainstream researchers admit KS likely has been correlated to amyl nitrites or "poppers" used by some gay men and another virus associated with it, HHV-8.
3) Anal health and hygiene, colon hydrotherapy, colonics, fasting, diet all are important illness preventives including reconsidering certain anal sex practises, fisting or rough, "unsanitary" sex. This might include the pull out method or accessing your partners general health while taking steps to sustain your own general health. Anal retentive focus on "bugs" or hypochondriacal sex-negativity are anathma to a holistic or multi-factorial, 'many-cause, many-courses' wellness promotion strategy. Where is the evidence that anal receptive partners or "bottoms" are the gay men testing socalled positive and the anal insertive partners or "tops" are the ones testing negative? This is the major impediment to the statement by even some AIDS Dissidents who propose anal receptive sex, without controlling for the amounts and quality of semen or seminal fluid which might be inherrantly immune suppressive.
4) Latex condoms and chemically carcingen-containing lubes role in immune suppression and the astronomical increase in anal cancer rates, from allergic to immunologic and even death, particularly among gay men. These products were never studied for internal (anal) use, were never approved for such and indicate for *topical use only* on package inserts.
5) Many STDs are not alleged to be spread through semen or seminal fluid, but sores and saliva. Condoms have not been shown effective in preventing most common STDs. Even if one 'contracts' these bugs, approximately 80-90% of those are said to be 'carriers' who do not develop chronic symptoms in their lifetimes, clear it from their bodies naturally after a short course of conventional antiboitic treatment or preferably through the more prophylactic use of alternative, non-toxic immune enhancing therapies-- thus calling into question the significance of the bug-seed versus the human host or organizms' role in immune sufficiency and sustainability.
========================================== What are PPVs? Positive Predictive Values ==========================================
SERO-SUSPECT CLASS? SEX=DEATH?
ARE GAY MEN "AT RISK" FOR WHO THEY/WE LOVE?
PPVs or Positive Prediction Values. What are they and how can and does this statistical formulae effect the cummulatively estimated 'HIV' tests conducted world-wide?
The following is taken from UNAIDS and World Health Organisation(WHO) "Operational characteristics of commercially available assays to determine antibodies to hiv-1 and/or hiv-2 in human sera."
Report 9/10 Geneva 1998. Distribution limited. Page 11 WHO/UNAIDS: "The PROBABILITY that a test will ACCURATELY DETERMINEthe TRUE infection status of a PERSON being tested VARIES with theprevalence of HIV infection in the POPULATION from which the personcomes."
How can 'prevalence' of "hiv infection" in the population at largebe determined in the first place and then, by mathmatical extrapolation tothe individual from whom which the formulae was circularly and selectivelybased er biased? By other indirect, socalled surrogate markers, 'HIV'[non-specific]antibody positivity + PPV formulation + High Risk groupinformation ie: "status" or "membership."
To restate, how was this Positive Predictive Value [PPV] or the individuals socalled "high risk" status calculated, determinedand/or verified? By other indirect 'HIV' antibody test kits + PPV + High Risk Group Information or selective classificationor bias, circular and self-fulfilling by designation?
Page 11 continued: WHO/UNAIDS/Geneva/1998/Report9/10: "In general, the higher the prevalence of HIV infection in the population, the greater the PROBABILITY that a person testing positive is truly infected (i.e., the greater the positive predictive value [PPV]).
Thus, with increasing prevalence, the proportion of serum samples testing-false-positivedecreases; conversely, the likelihood that a person showing negative testresults is truly uninfected (i.e., the negative predictive value [NPV]),decreases as prevalence increases. Therefore, as prevalence increases, so does the proportion of samples testing false-negative."
There's FUNDAMENTAL FLAW here called SELECTIVE BIAS. It means UNAIDS/WHO's Positive Predictive Values [PPV] selectively bias gay men who do not represent a monolithic health-style. Some Dissidents say there is abundant evidence that ALL the "high risks groups" are far more likely to test *false* positive because they are far more likely to be exposed to one of the 70+ conditions that can generate 'HIV' antibodies in the absence of 'HIV' positivity such as Africans who may actually have TB (a very large number of 'AIDS' cases in Africa are TB or malaria cases and TB and malaria causesso-called *false* positives and/or malnutrition, wasting) or gay men who are theorized to have greater exposure to recreational drugs or anally deposited semen, assuming that were immune modulating.
Other Dissidents, such as myself, maintain there is insuficient evidence thatthese socalled "high risk groups" represent uniformely any inherenthealth risk due to gender identity, racial classification or sexualorientation. Whereas, the predonderance of 'HIV' positivity or "aquired immune deficiencies" in these groups are not comparable or correlative tothe general population because they are selectively biased.
Therefore, if you put any people under a microscope, in this case a moral and medical microscrope focused in a certain period, and announced, we found these microbes, germs, bugs, cooties, etc. and didn't really compare these socalled 'high-risk' groups, especially gay men which do not have any monolithic life orhealthstyle contrary to popular cultures' heterosexist conjecture, withthe general population, you wouldn't know what if any correlation existedand whether that established causation. So even if there was a correlation between 'HIV' positivity and gay men, showing they were far more likely tobe exposed to one of the 70 agents, factors, conditions known to cause so-called *false* positivity, it can only be said to mean they are more likely to be determined, "interpreted" as a "true" positive because you were selectively biased as 'high risk' because of the inherantflaw or circular construct the 'HIV=AIDS' theory is entirely reliant upon.While it was true that the original subset of gay men who were diagnosedat the start of the socalled 'epidemic' were all sick, they did not haveany direct sexual connection to one another, and all shared certain health-style factors that were ignored as co-causal agents of their illnesses. It was then extrapolated to say all gay men were inherantly 'at risk' because of the assumption that an outbreak of reported illnesses in gay men must be sexually transmissed. Many of these men were diagnosed as having STIs/STIs but also took prophylactic or on-going, regular antibiotics which are known to have immune suppressive side-effects.
There is not sufficient evidence to establish there are a disproportionate number of antibodies among selectively biased 'high risk' groups, specifically excluding gay men who have no single, monolithic life or health-style in common or if they have controlled for the disproportionate number of tests done on them. About 40% of 'HIV' tests in the US are done on gay men, which only represent about 5% of the US population. But then this information is transmitted to the lab anddoctor and the tests are interpreted as positive more often if you are preselectively biased as 'high risk.' So, it seems sort of a circular construct. And the evidence of the lack of any heterosexual epidemic after 20 years in the West where they actually do the 'HIV' tests, unlike mostAfrican 'AIDS' cases, does not fulfill the infectious model or it wouldhave spread to the 95% majority heterosexuals by now.
The original sub-group of gay men did have certain health styles in common, but thenthe initial socalled 'AIDS' cases was not confined to those 'health risk'groups with many known co-causal factors ignored, but it was extrapolatedto include all gay men, regardless of life or health style.
This is why I say that the mindset of 'SAME-SEXUAL=SIN=SICKNESS' lead to the unquestioned acceptance of 'HIV=AIDS=DEATH.' It was just ten years before the announcement of 'HIV' as the cause of 'AIDS' that homosexuality was removed as a psychiatric disorder by the APA because of cultural bias andreligious prejudices which lead to scientific predeterminations.
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In science as in the law, the affirmative statement bares the burden of proof. The burden of proof is not upon AIDS Dissenters or Dissidents to prove a negative, that the putative 'HIV' DOES NOT exist and DOES NOT cause illnesses attributed to 'AIDS.' The burden of proof is upon the AIDS Apologists or HIV Protagonists who AFFIRM that 'HIV' exists and is pathogenic or disease-causing. If you or anyone takes to time to read the information below and follow the referenced links and then demand a response to every critique and challenge, you will have no choice but to conclude the 'HIV' theory of immuno-deficiency is sorely lacking of evidence. Correlation is not causation and there are many known co-causal factors to aquiring immune deficiencies. We don't act AS IF something were true until it has been proven to be true, especially when there are major life and love-affecting consequences to just going along with the 'HIV/AIDS' theory or model, if it were not valid.
What would it take for you to do the following?
Take away someone's human, civil rights. Socially alienate someone. Poison someone. Condemn someone to death. Criminalise someone for an act of love. Destroy someone's marriage/family/relationship. Deny someone basic, even life-saving, medical treatment.
The above actions happen every day in the name of HIV/AIDS and include taking children off their parents and forcibly testing and poisoning them. A huge amount of information, some of it in this e-mail, shows beyond a doubt that the source of all this misery and stigma, i.e. the establishment position that HIV is the cause AIDS, is flawed and has failed.
Alternative Medicine has long questioned the virus/germ mode or 'one-cause, one-course' drug-based model or theory of illness which is confirmed by the work of hundreds of AIDS Dissident Scientists, including Nobel Laureates, Members of the National Academy of Sciences and pioneers in their fields. Many often disconnect the alternative theories of diagnosis[PHILOSOPHY] from the alternative therapies of treatment[PRACTISE]-- in how Alternative Medicine differentially diagnoses the individual and treats using a holistic, multi-factorial or 'many-causes, many-courses' approache to illness. They treat the underlying causes of symptoms, not diagnosing/treating diseases and certainly not diagnosing/treating syndromes, which are a 'catch-all' of redefined classifications or catagories of conditions. And therefore, Alternative Medicine does not generally recognize conventional disease classifications.
"For disease, all experience shows, are adjectives, not noun substantives."
"There are no specific diseases: there are [only] specific disease conditions [or states of dis-ease]."
Florence Nightingale (Nursing Pioneer, Disease Dissident and Lesbian?)
The conflict between the virus/germ or 'one-cause, one-course/cure' drug-based model and the holistic multi-factorial, 'many-causes, many-courses/cures' model actually predates the modern AIDS Dissident Scientific era... "Beauchamp and Pasteur: Beauchamp, a contemporary of Pasteur's, differed with Pasteur on a number of theoretical models. Whereas Pasteur felt that bacteria["bugs"] were the "all" (primary and sufficient cause) in illness or dis-ease, Beauchamp felt that the inner terrain (biological or human host, interior milieu) was far more important in determining whether illness or dis-ease manifested or not." Although his theory of dis-ease was generally rejected in favor of Pasteur's, it was later adopted by Alternative Medicine.
Interesting that AIDS Apologists, or those who defend or defer to the affirmative statement or new theory, in this case the 'HIV=AIDS' hypothesis, often compare AIDS Dissidents with Flat Earthers, but Galileo was a Dissident, the Flat Earthers were the mainstream scientific establishment.
There is a famous story about Galileo, that is relevant here, I think. Galileo was in trouble with the Church authorities, for his observation of Jupiter's moons, through his telescope. (The four moons that he saw are traditionally called the "Galilean" moons, after their discoverer.) Anyway, he offered to let an influential member of the Clergy look through the telescope at these moons, so that said clergyman would see what Galileo had seen. This pious man refused, saying that as long as he did not look, his religious faith could remain intact.
Sadly, we are dealing with a kind of medical "church", regarding the HIV theory; its members do not want their faith shaken (or stirred! :-) )
Scurvy was thought to be transmitted by a microbe for 200 years even while Dissident Scientists were arguing it was a Vitamin C deficiency. The implication was that Seamen or Sailors engaged in 'buggary' were sexually transmissing a 'bug.' Homosexuality was deemed a psychiatric disorder by the medical and scientific establishment until 1973, a decade later the medical diagnosis of GRID-- Gay Related Immune Dysfunction was described in the literature.
BUGGERY, BUG-CHASING and BAREBACKING
Bug-Chasers have gotten more publicity of late with films like "The Gift" which discuss the small subset of gay men and subset of bare-backers. Bug-Chasers are those who fantasize the idea of becoming 'impregnated' or filled up with 'seed' and sero-converting to a socalled 'HIV' positive status. Bug-chasers are bug-believers in that they accept, consciously at least, that there is a bug or virus called 'HIV' that has been properly isolated and can be accurately tested for. Bare-backers, on the other hand, are those who, for whatever reason, do not use condoms or practise socalled 'safe-sex' at least part of the time. This is a much larger group than those who are socalled "bug-chasers" and include many gay men who are subconsciously rebelling against the puritan sex panic or health scare campaign of the condom nazis. Most bare-backers are not bug-chasers, though all bug-chasers are bare-backers. AIDS Dissidents, as bug dis-believers, are not included among the 'bug-chasers' though do include bare-backers and a growing number of the 'HIV' disaffected who are not living *in [HIV] denial* but rather informed in their AIDS dissent, and subsequently do not accept the evidence for probable cause to live and love in fear.
Death - 28 Jan 2005 02:48 GMT "KellyJonLandis" <kjlandis@alumni.usc.edu> wrote in message
> Well, that's the official line of the AIDS Authorities. and they must be lying, LOL
>Yet since I question authority when it doesn't make sense, I disblieve >gay men are 'at risk' for who they love. What I actually believe is ... we won't discuss your opinion ok?
You have a good day.
KellyJonLandis - 28 Jan 2005 06:49 GMT "KellyJonLandis" <kjlandis@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message > > Well, that's the official line of the AIDS Authorities. DEATH: "and they must be lying, LOL"
No, didn't say THEY MUST BE LYING. I simply stated the fact that this is the official line. Doesn't mean it's true or not. Do you assume the health and medical authorities are right until proven wrong? Do you not question authority, Death?
>Yet since I question authority when it doesn't make sense, I disblieve >gay men are 'at risk' for who they love. What I actually believe is ... DEATH: "we won't discuss your opinion ok?"
I didn't merely express my opinion. I provided logic, reason and fact to back it up. You have not disputed any of the information in my previous rebuttal to your BUGGER-AIDS theory. I challenge you to offer a response to the specific critique I offered.
DEATH: "You have a good day."
I've had a wonderful day, and now I'm going to have a wonderful night 'buggering.' <smile>
Death - 28 Jan 2005 16:13 GMT "KellyJonLandis" <kjlandis@alumni.usc.edu> wrote in message
> DEATH: "and they must be lying, LOL" > > No, didn't say THEY MUST BE LYING. I simply stated the fact that this is > the official line. Doesn't mean it's true or not. To question authority is not the same as denying reality. Here you say it didn't matter one way or the other, you just reject it.
> >Yet since I question authority when it doesn't make sense, I disblieve > >gay men are 'at risk' for who they love. What I actually believe is ... [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > I didn't merely express my opinion. I provided logic, reason and fact to > back it up. `````````````````````````````````````
> HIV cannot be the cause or the sole cause of AIDS. `````````````````````````````````````````` That is your first sentence of logic, reason and fact. No place in the article backs up the first questionable statement.
> You have not disputed any of the information in my previous > rebuttal to your BUGGER-AIDS theory. I challenge you to offer a response > to the specific critique I offered. Again, we won't discuss that "theory" or opinion.
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