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PaulKing - 23 Jan 2005 08:26 GMT
HOLLAND
Legal prostitution.
Massive red light district.

Population: - 16,318,199 (Jan. 2004)
Median age: - 38.7
Death rate: - 8.67 per 1,000
Life expectancy: - 78.68

HIV/AIDS Prevalence (adult) 0.2%
People living with 'AIDS' : - 17,000

Total deaths: - 110 (2001 est)

COMMENT

That means that for all the 17,000 people 'living with 'AIDS' to die will
take (based on 110 dying in 20 years) a total of  2,428 years.

As the median age is 38.7 that means a mere 1.65% will ever die of 'AIDS'
in their lifetime.

ONE POINT SIX EIGHT!

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html
PaulKing - 23 Jan 2005 08:49 GMT
Strange how almost ALL the countries with liberal sexual attitudes and
legal (or massive) prostitution have almost NO 'AIDS'.

Holland, Denmark, Sweden, Japan, Phillipines.

A VERY ODD STD. VERY ODD INDEED!!!!!!
GMCarter - 23 Jan 2005 11:19 GMT
>Strange how almost ALL the countries with liberal sexual attitudes and
>legal (or massive) prostitution have almost NO 'AIDS'.

Perhaps because they teach kids about sex, use and have available
condoms and johns aren't able to force sex workers into having unsafe
sex as in places like Thailand, Laos, Congo, etc.

Hey--even the difference within India between Mumbai and the Sonagachi
red light district in Kolkata underscores what happens when sex
workers are united. In the latter case, Kolkata's HIV incidence
declined among sex workers and increased among those with no such
services in Mumbai.

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 23 Jan 2005 23:45 GMT
What a weak reply Carter.

First, condoms don't protect against a virus trhe size of 'HIV'.

Secondly, that would not explain why there are 17,000 people 'living with
aids" but almost no deaths.

Thirdly, it does not explain why the mortality rate is far, far lower than
in America.

I can also inform you that many prostitutes in Holland do NOT use condoms
as they see little or no threat from 'AIDS'.

Usage is lower than in America (see Durex study).

All in all you have failed to address any of the points.

The truth is 'AIDS' ins not an std but simply old diseases with a
profitable new name.

Try again, Carter.

Surely you can do better than that.
PaulKing - 24 Jan 2005 00:03 GMT
Philippines

Population: - 86,241,697 as of July 2004
Population Growth: - 1.88% (well under most countries in Africa)

Death rate 5.53 per 1,000

Median age: - 22.1 years (Lots of young people)

HIV/AIDS - adult prevalence rate: - Less than 0.1%

HIV/AIDS deaths: - Less than 500

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/rp.html

___________

he U.S. Army study of 1.1 million G.I.'s who were stationed in the
Phillipines (over a ten year period) and kept 100,000 prostitutes in
business (70% were said to be HIV positive.

The study showed only ONE was HIV positive and not sick.This was the only
case of mass HIV testing in the World.

Condoms in the Phillipines are of such poor quality that only 8% can even
hold water.

___________

There are 400,000 to 500,000 prostituted persons in the Philippines.

Prostituted persons are mainly adult women, but there are also male,
transvestite and child prostitutes, both girls and boys. (International
Labor Organization. Dario Agnote, "Sex trade key part of S.E. Asian
economies, study says," Kyodo News, 18 August 1998)

In the Philippines, a recent study showed there are about 75,000
children,
who were forced into prostitution due to poverty. (Dario Agnote, "Sex
trade key part of S.E. Asian economies, study says," Kyodo News, 18
August
1998)

There are 400,000 women in prostitution in 1998, excluding unregistered,
seasonal prostitutes, overseas entertainers and victims of external
trafficking. One fourth of them are children and each year 3,266 more
children are forced into the sex industry. (GABRIELA, Diana Mendoza, "RP
Has 400,000 Prostitutes," TODAY, 25 February 1998)

Military prostitution, it added, has always been a problem in the past
when the US bases were still in the country. Past experience clearly
showed that the security of the Filipino people, especially women and
children, from the US military was never taken into account.
("Ex-streetwalkers fight VFA: Form advocacy groups in urban centers," The
Philippine Journal, 18 September 1998)

______

Subsequently, the U.S. built 23 military installations covering a total
area of more than 240,000 hectares ofland (2,400 sq.km.) by the time of
the signing of the Military Bases Agreement in 1947. At its peak the
bases
occupied nearly 1% of the country's total land area not to mention 11,000
hectares of territorial waters and a large swath of air space.

http://www.wowessays.com/dbase/ae4/lmy301.shtml
_______

"Why don't Filipinos want US troops in the Philippines?

There is a long history of US military intervention in the Philippines
from the Philippine-American War (1899-1916) in which the US colonized
the
Philippines. Filipinos resisted and one-eighth of the Filipino people
were
killed. Even though the Philippines officially became independent from
the
US in 1946, the US ensured control of the US military bases in the
Philippines and access to Philippine natural resources.

The US military bases were finally kicked out in 1991 after mass protest
from the Filipino people who were tired of special protected status for
US
soldiers, toxic wastes (that until today, the US refuses to clean up),
the
prostitution of Filipinas, and the spread of alcoholism and drug use.
Filipinos don't want these again. "

AND REMEMBER THIS IS A CATHOLIC COUNTRY WITH VERY LOW CONDOM USAGE
GMCarter - 24 Jan 2005 09:53 GMT
>Philippines
>
>Population: - 86,241,697 as of July 2004
>Population Growth: - 1.88% (well under most countries in Africa)

Darling, you can post these statistics a billion times but
1) I don't trust you to quote stats accurately;
2) the statistics, even if 100% accurate, do not in the slightest
affect whether HIV exists or causes AIDS.

Some places have better established infections. Other places have a
weaker epidemic so far.

Why that serves as an argument for you to justify f.cking without a
condom is quite beyond me--but you'll do anything for that, won't ya?

In the end it doesn't matter. I hope you are not HIV+ so at least you
won't be f.cking up other peoples' lives. But if you are, you will
find out that HIV causes AIDS and you'll probably die of it.

We all die sometime.

If you really want to learn about love, you also  need to learn about
responsibility.

Even if you just enjoy having sex and love isn't a big part of it, you
still have to learn about responsibility.

        George M. Carter
GMCarter - 24 Jan 2005 09:50 GMT
>What a weak reply Carter.

A robust reply to a guy that doesn't deserve it! But heck, I like
playing with you, Paul

>First, condoms don't protect against a virus trhe size of 'HIV'.

Yes, they do. Whether cell-associated HIV or cell-free.

Hey--at least you recognize HIV exists. I suppose that's a start.

Or are you going to flip-flop on that one?

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 24 Jan 2005 10:38 GMT
You don't find it strange that countries with legal or massive prostitution
and liberal sexual attitudes ALL have far (*one third - 0.2% compared to
0.6% in America) the prevalence of 'AIDS'.?

Clearly your mind is closed and you ignore everything that does not fit
your views.

I DO NOT believe 'HIV' causes 'AIDS' but use these establishment figures
to demonstrate that even these prove 'AIDS' is NOT an std.

* Holland and Denmark
GMCarter - 24 Jan 2005 22:53 GMT
>You don't find it strange that countries with legal or massive prostitution
>and liberal sexual attitudes ALL have far (*one third - 0.2% compared to
>0.6% in America) the prevalence of 'AIDS'.?

Darling, I find ALL your numbers strange. And unreliable. And your
positions perverse and indeed--you have been caught lying about SO
many posts so blatantly, I basically disregard any of this bullshit.

Instead, I've known lots of sex workers, male and female. HIV+ ones
tend to get AIDS if not treated. HIV- ones don't.

Some are better able at negotiating their johns using condoms. Others
aren't.

>Clearly your mind is closed and you ignore everything that does not fit
>your views.

My mind is DEFINITELY closed to the notion that I can trust any data
you post without studying the original source material.

>I DO NOT believe 'HIV' causes 'AIDS' but use these establishment figures
>to demonstrate that even these prove 'AIDS' is NOT an std.

To the former part of the statement, I understand you suffer that
delusion. To the latter part of your statement, not in the slightest.

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 25 Jan 2005 01:23 GMT
You are confused. remember, you are the one who was caught lying, Carter.

Nasty little low life.
GMCarter - 25 Jan 2005 09:20 GMT
>You are confused. remember, you are the one who was caught lying, Carter.

No, I wasn't in the slightest.

>Nasty little low life.

And you were the one that always complained about using ad hominems
and the like!

Sigh. Sorry you're such a fool.
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 25 Jan 2005 15:57 GMT
>HOLLAND
>People living with 'AIDS' : - 17,000
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>take (based on 110 dying in 20 years) a total of  2,428 years.
>http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/nl.html

The figure you label "People living with 'AIDS'" is labelled "HIV/AIDS
- people living with HIV/AIDS" at the CIA's web site.  It's an
estimate of the number of people with HIV, not just those with AIDS.
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html#2156

The figure you label "Total deaths" is labelled "HIV/AIDS - deaths"
by the CIA.  It's an estimate of deaths from AIDS (not all deaths of
people with HIV) in the year 2001 (not cumulative to the year 2001).
http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/docs/notesanddefs.html#2157

That's not your thumb on the scale, it's your leg.

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David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 25 Jan 2005 22:59 GMT
Paul posted his article to DAG at about the same time he posted
it to MHA.  The MHA posting is timestamped "23 Jan 2005 03:26:20"
and the DAG posting was timestamped "1/23/2005 3:20 AM"

When I saw it on Sunday, one article in the DAG discussion had been
deleted by "the manager or assistant manager", probably Paul himself.
Today I looked again, and 6 articles had been deleted, INCLUDING
THE ORIGINAL POSTING FROM PAUL.  (Three of the deleted postings had
received recommendations from members.)

No doubt Paul deleted the original article, and all articles that
quoted from it, in embarrassment.

Of the deleted articles, the last one was posted at 1/24/2005 5:41 AM.
Paul posted a tamer/lamer version of his original article a half hour
after that, at 1/24/2005 6:17 AM, probably shortly after deleting
the original.

If you take a look now, you may get to see what's left before he
deletes the whole discussion...

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