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30 studies link talc on condoms to ovarian cancer

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PaulKing - 07 Jan 2005 07:01 GMT
A link between talc and ovarian cancer has been supported by nearly 30
studies over the past 30 years published in scientific journals.

Dr. Bernard L. Harlow and associates at Harvard Medical School conducted a
study where they "sought to determine whether the use of talc in genital
hygiene increases the risk for epthelial ovarian cancer." Their conclusion
stated "...a lifetime pattern of perineal talc use may increase the risk
for epithelial cancer.." and "We discourage the use of talc in the genital
hygiene, particularly as a daily habit."

An article in Cancer magazine in 1982, "Ovarian cancer and talc: a
case-control study", concluded that a lifetime of daily use of talc
directly on the genital area or on sanitary napkins increases a woman's
risk of contracting ovarian cancer by more than three times.

The Cancer Prevention Coalition is fighting for warning labels on products
containing talc and have started a petition drive. They say "A wide range
of scientific studies over the last three decades have clearly linked talc
use and ovarian cancer."

Both the American Cancer Society as well as the National Cancer Institute
caution women that regular talc use has been shown to increase the risk of
ovarian cancer.

It has been suggested that talcum powder may be carcinogenic to the
covering layer of the ovaries through the migration of talcum powder
particles (applied to the genital area, sanitary napkins, diaphragms, or
condoms) through the vagina, uterus, and fallopian tubes to the ovary.
Several epidemiologic studies have examined the relationship between
talcum powder and cancer of the ovary
GMCarter - 07 Jan 2005 12:17 GMT
>A link between talc and ovarian cancer has been supported by nearly 30
>studies over the past 30 years published in scientific journals.

LOL. You really are f.cking brain dead. Using talcum powder DAILY on a
larger surface area is NOT the same as a bit of talc that may be left
on a condom--and many are talc free--during acts of coitus.

Again--risks? Pretty low in re ovarian cancer from using a condom. NOT
using a condom? STDs. HIV. AIDS. Death.

I'd say it's a no brainer but I'm beginning to suspect you're
anencephalic.

        George M. Carter

>Dr. Bernard L. Harlow and associates at Harvard Medical School conducted a
>study where they "sought to determine whether the use of talc in genital
>hygiene increases the risk for epthelial ovarian cancer." Their conclusion
>stated "...a lifetime pattern of perineal talc use may increase the risk
>for epithelial cancer.." and "We discourage the use of talc in the genital
>hygiene, particularly as a daily habit."

snipping material that has nothing to do with condoms.
PaulKing - 08 Jan 2005 00:35 GMT
"Using talcum powder DAILY on a
larger surface area is NOT the same as a bit of talc that may be left
on a condom--and many are talc free--during acts of coitus."

TRUE. A moist internal surface is a FAR, FAR greater risk. Thanks for
pointing that out.
GMCarter - 08 Jan 2005 11:17 GMT
>"Using talcum powder DAILY on a
>larger surface area is NOT the same as a bit of talc that may be left
>on a condom--and many are talc free--during acts of coitus."
>
>TRUE. A moist internal surface is a FAR, FAR greater risk. Thanks for
>pointing that out.

And indeed, it may be if one rubs a lot of talcum powder/baby powder
up in the vagina. But NOT from occasional small exposure related to
insertion of a penis with a latex condom on it. All that wet and
moisture probably washes it all out pretty quick anyway.

        George M. Carter
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 08 Jan 2005 18:51 GMT
>"Using talcum powder DAILY on a
>larger surface area is NOT the same as a bit of talc that may be left
>on a condom--and many are talc free--during acts of coitus."
>
>TRUE. A moist internal surface is a FAR, FAR greater risk. Thanks for
>pointing that out.

You don't know how many condoms are made with talc.  You don't know
how much talc finishing powder would be used on a condom.  You don't
know how much talcum powder shaken onto a woman's perineum would get
into her "moist internal surface".  Maybe you don't even know what
a perineum is.

You do not have the knowledge that would enable you to compare
exposures to talc from these two sources.

You are presenting ignorant speculation as fact.

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David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 08 Jan 2005 03:31 GMT
>It has been suggested that talcum powder may be carcinogenic to the
>covering layer of the ovaries through the migration of talcum powder
>particles (applied to the genital area, sanitary napkins, diaphragms, or
>condoms) through the vagina, uterus, and fallopian tubes to the ovary.
>Several epidemiologic studies have examined the relationship between
>talcum powder and cancer of the ovary

DON'T KEEP US IN SUSPENSE, MAN, WHAT DID THE STUDIES FIND?

"Findings are mixed, with some studies reporting a slightly increased
risk and some reporting no association."

http://www.cancer.org/docroot/CRI/content/CRI_2_6x_Talcum_Powder_and_Cancer.asp?
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PaulKing - 08 Jan 2005 06:33 GMT
"A link between talc and ovarian cancer has been supported by nearly 30
studies over the past 30 years published in scientific journals."
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 08 Jan 2005 06:59 GMT
>"A link between talc and ovarian cancer has been supported by nearly 30
>studies over the past 30 years published in scientific journals."

List them.

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GMCarter - 08 Jan 2005 11:15 GMT
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 06:59:15 +0000 (UTC),
dmcanzi@remulak.ads.uwaterloo.ca (David Canzi -- non-mailable address)
wrote:

>>"A link between talc and ovarian cancer has been supported by nearly 30
>>studies over the past 30 years published in scientific journals."
>
>List them.

Perhaps even just the ones where CONDOMS are the exclusive source of
talc exposure.
PaulKing - 09 Jan 2005 03:58 GMT
You are grasping at straws. The case is proved.
PaulKing - 09 Jan 2005 03:56 GMT
Are you disputing the source?
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 09 Jan 2005 19:36 GMT
>Are you disputing the source?

Lame.

If you can cut and paste a claim that nearly 30 studies support an
opinion of yours, why not just go back to your source and cut and
paste the list of studies?

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PaulKing - 10 Jan 2005 01:57 GMT
They listed five most of which I have quoted from. You go look if you
choose to question the article.

I'm tired of your silly attempts to disguise the clear and obvious truth.

CONDOMS CAUSE CANCER. PERIOD.
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 10 Jan 2005 03:30 GMT
>They listed five most of which I have quoted from. You go look if you
>choose to question the article.

You seem to be talking about a letter to JAMA you refer to in another
thread, but the quote I'm asking about, "a link between talc and
ovarian cancer has been supported by nearly 30 studies over the past 30
years published in scientific journals," doesn't come from that letter.

Whenever I ask you about that list of studies, you respond with
irrelevancies.  What is so hard about either posting the list of
studies, or telling us the URL so we can go look for ourselves?

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David Canzi

PaulKing - 10 Jan 2005 21:36 GMT
Will do as you are too lazy to look them up.
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 14 Jan 2005 04:16 GMT
>Will do as you are too lazy to look them up.

Who are you calling lazy?

It would have taken you seconds to post the URL.  It took me a web
search, with no certainty of success, to find the information source
you repeatedly refused to reveal.

Here is the claim you posted:

"A link between talc and ovarian cancer has been supported by nearly
30 studies over the past 30 years published in scientific journals."

Here is its source:

http://www.organicformulations.com.au/talcum_powder.asp

You couldn't list the "nearly 30 studies" because that web page
doesn't list them.  In spite of the likely self-serving motivations
of the web page's creators, you accepted their claim uncritically,
and passed it along unverified.

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David Canzi

GMCarter - 10 Jan 2005 10:56 GMT
>CONDOMS CAUSE CANCER. PERIOD.

LOL. Gee--sounds like one of your brilliant "tis so, tis so" posts!
Maroon!
PaulKing - 10 Jan 2005 21:36 GMT
I agree you are a moron. Thanks for pointing it out.
 
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