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A handful of leading dissidents

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PaulKing - 13 Dec 2004 12:04 GMT
Charles A. Thomas, Jr. Ph.D. (Mol. Biologist, Pres. Helicon Fnd., San
Diego, CA)
*    Harvey Bialy, Ph.D. (Editor Bio/Technology, New York, NY)
*    Harry Rubin, D.V.M. (Prof. Cell Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)
*    Richard C. Strohman, Ph.D. (Prof. Cell Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)

*    Phillip E. Johnson (Prof. Law, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)
*    Gordon J. Edlin, Ph.D. (Prof. Biochem. & Physics, Univ. Hawaii, HI)
*    Beverly E. Griffin, Ph.D. (Dir. Dept. Virology, Royal Postgrad. Med.
School, London, UK)
*    Robert S. Root-Bernstein (Prof. Physiology, Michigan State Univ., East
Lansing, MI)
*    Gordon Stewart, M.D. (Emeritus Prof. Public Health, Epidemiologist, Isle
of Wight, UK)
*    Carlos Sonnenschein, M.D. (Tufts Univ., Medicine, Boston, MA)
*    Richard L. Pitter, Ph.D. (Dessert Research Inst., Univ. Nevada System,
Reno NV)
*    Nathaniel S. Lehrman, M.D. (Psychiatrist, Roslyn, NY)
*    John Lauritsen (Author 'Poison by Prescription', New York, NY)
*    William Holub, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Live Sciences Inst. New York, NY)
*    Claudia Holub, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Live Sciences Inst. New York, NY)
*    Frank R. Buianouckas Ph.D. (Prof. Mathematics, Cuny, Bronx, NY)
*    Philip Rosen, Ph.D. (Prof. Physics, Univ. Mass. Amherst, MA)
*    Steven Jonas, M.D. (Prof. Preventive Medicine, Suny Stony Brook, NY)
*    Bernard K. Forscher, Ph.D (Ret. Editor Proc. Nat. Acad. Sci., Santa Fe,
NM)
*    Kary B. Mullis, Ph.D. (Biochemist, PCR inventor, Consultant, La Jolla,
CA.)
*    Jeffrey A. Fisher, M.D. (Pathologist, Mendham, NJ)
*    Hansueli Albonico, M.D. (General Practitioner, Langnau, Switzerland)
*    Robert Hoffman, Ph.D. (Prof. Dept. Pediatrics Univ. Cal. Med. School,
San Diego, CA)
*    Timothy H. Hand, Ph.D. (Dept. Psychology, Oglethorpe Univ. Atlanta, GA)

*    Eleni Eleopulos, M.D. (Royal Perth Hospital, Perth, West Australia)
*    Robert W. Maver, F.S.A., M.A.A. (Dir. Research, Mutual Benefit Life,
Kansas City, MO)
*    Ken N. Matsumura, M.D. (Chairman Alin Foundation & Research Inst.,
Berkeley, CA.)
*    David T. Berner, M.D. (Condon, MT)
*    Theodor Wieland, Ph.D. (Max Planck Institut, Heidelberg, Germany)
*    Joan Shenton, M.A. (Meditel, London, UK)
*    John Anthony Morris, Ph.D. (Biochemist, Bell of Atari College Park, MD)

*    Sungchul Ji, Ph.D. (Prof. Pharmacology & Toxicology, Rutgers Univ.,
Piscataway, NJ)

In addition there were 14 others who have added their signatures in July
1991.

By March 1993 the following persons had added their signatories:

*    Vahagn Agbabian, D.O. (Pontiac, MI)
*    Barry R. Alexavich (Cell Biologist, Bristol, CT)
*    David T. Berner, M.D. (Condon, MT)
*    Shelly B. Blam, Ph.D. (Alameda, CA)
*    Lawrence Bradford, Ph.D. (Benedictine College, Atchison, KS)
*    Carl Bradford, J.D. (San Diego, CA)
*    Michael Callen (Author 'Surviving AIDS', Hollywood, CA)
*    Melinda Calleira (Pres. Amer. a.s. Science & Public Policy, Los Angeles,
CA)
*    Hiram Caton, Ph.D. (Prof. App. Ethics, Griffith Univ., Brisbane,
Australia)
*    Dennis Chaney, Ph.D. (Chaney Scientific Inc. Burlingame, CA)
*    Michelle Cochrane (Emeryville, CA)
*    Hywel Davies, M.D. (Cardiologist, Pueblo West, CO)
*    Marlowe Dittlebrandt, M.D. (Portland, OR)
*    Peter H. Duesberg, Ph.D. (Prof. Mol. Biology, Univ. Cal. Berkeley, CA)
*    Bryan J. Ellison (Author, Berkeley, CA)
*    Michael Ellner (HEAL, New York, NY)
*    Fabio Franchi, M.D. (Trieste, Italy)
*    Trish Fahey (New York, NY)
*    Celia Farber (Writer, New York, NY)
*    Lawrence A. Falk, Jr., Ph.D. (Virologist Abott Labs, Consultant NCI,
Chicago, IL)
*    James A. Fimea, Ph.D. (Laguna Beach, CA)
*    Harry Flynn, (Author, Hollywood, CA)
*    William L. Gardner, Ph.D. (Wellesley, MA)
*    Arnold W. Giddens (Shingle Springs, CA)
*    Robert Grabowski (Birminghan, MI)
*    Martin Haas, Ph.D. (Dept. Biology Cancer Center, Univ. Cal., San Diego,
CA)
*    Alfred Haessig, M.D. (Emeritus Prof. Immunolgy Univ. Bern, Switzerland)
*    Urs Haldimann (Editor, Swiss a.s. Science Writers, Arisdorf,
Switzerland)
*    Neville Hodgkinson (Science Correspondent The Sunday Times, London, UK)

*    John Holmdahl, Ph.D. (Los Angeles, CA)
*    Ross Horne (Montville, Queensland, Austalia)
*    Heinrich Kremer, M.D. (Mueckenburg, Germany)
*    Hans J. Kugler, Ph.D. (Editor Prev. Med. Update, Redondo Beach, CA)
*    Robert Laarhoven (S.A.A.O., Hilversum, The Netherlands)
*    Paul Lineback, M.S. (Eastern Oregon State College)
*    Henk Loman, Ph.D. (Prof. Biophysics, Free Univ. Amsterdam, The
Netherlands)
*    Judith Lopez (San Francisco, CA)
*    Maurizio Luca-Moretti, Ph.D. (InterAmerican Medical Health a.s., Boca
Raton, FL)
*    William H. McIlhany, I.R.F. (Beverly Hills, CA)
*    Peter McKeever, L.L.B. (London, UK)
*    Michael D. Mellgard (Los Angeles, CA)
*    David Mertz (Dept. Philosophy, Univ. Massachusetts, Amherst)
*    Richard Mitchell, Ph.D. (Assoc. Prof. Sociology, Oregon State Univ,
Corvalus, OR)
*    Joseph E. Morrow, Ph.D. (Cal. State Univ. Sacramento, CA)
*    Cindy Orser (Ast. Prof. Bacteriology, Univ. Idaho, Moscow, ID)
*    Hannes G. Pauli, M.D. (Former Director Bern Univ. Med. Faculty, Bern,
Switzerland)
*    Paul Rabinow, Ph.D. (Prof. Dept. Anthropology Univ. Cal., Berkeley, CA)

*    Jon Rappoport (Author 'AIDS Inc.')
*    Dennis D. Rathman (Staff Member Lincoln Labs, Lexington, MA)
*    Rodney M. Richards, Ph.D. (Amgen Inc., Thousand Oaks, CA)
*    Judith Riesman, Ph.D. (Author, Arlington, VA)
*    Michael Ristow, Ph.D. (Bochum, Germany)
*    Mel T. Roach (Avatar Research, Tuscon, AZ)
*    Gary Robertson (Broadbeach Waters, Queensland, Australia)
*    Frank Rothschild (Project Dir., Berkeley Project on Bioscience &
Society, CA)
*    David F. Salehi, Ph.D. (Lake Dallas, TX)
*    Caspar Schmidt, M.D. (Psychiatrist, New York)
*    Russell Schoch (Editor California Monthly, Berkeley, CA)
*    Frederic I. Scott, Jr. (Editor American Clinical Laboratory, Baltimore,
MD)
*    Udo Schuklenk (Dept. Ethics, Monash Univ., Melbourne, Australia)
*    Jeremy F. Selvey (Los Angeles, CA)
*    David Shugar, Ph.D. (Prof. Biophysics, Univ. Warsaw, Editor Pharmacol.
Therap., Poland)
*    Sonja Silva (Los Lunas, NM)
*    Ernest G. Silver, Ph.D. (Radiation Biologist, Oak Ridge, TN)
*    Lockie M. Swengel (Del Mar, CA)
*    Frederick Tobin, Ph.D. (Gorke, Australia)
*    Jack True (Clayton, GA)
*    La Trombetta (Burzynski Research Inst., Houston, TX)
*    Friedrich Ulmer, Ph.D. (Prof. Math. & Stat., Bergische Univ., Wuppertal,
Germany)
*    Michael Verney-Elliot (Meditel, London, UK)
*    Darrell G. Wells, Ph.D. (Emeritus Prof. Plant Sciences, Brookings, SD)
*    Wai Yeung, M.D. (Orinda, CA)

By September 1993 the following persons had added their signatories:

*    Jeanette S. Abel M.D. (Portland, OR)
*    Jad Adams, M.A. (Author 'AIDS; The HIV Myth,' London, UK)
*    Patricia Akeman, R.N. (Goleta, CA)
*    John B. Andelin, M.D. (Mercy Hospital, Williston, ND)
*    Mark Anderson, D.C. (Orlando, FL)
*    James C. Baker, Ph.D. (Santa Rosa, CA)
*    Andrew A. Benson, Ph.D. (La Jolla, CA)
*    Richard M.A. Berger, DDS (Berkeley, CA)
*    Robert W. Birge, Ph.D. (Berkeley, CA)
*    John S. Blankfort, DDS (San Francisco, CA)
*    Dorothy L. Bosworth, Ph.D. (Carlsbad, CA)
*    Tucker Brawner, DPM (Savannah, GA)
*    Brian E. Briggs, M.D. (Minot, ND)
*    Douglas W. Brown, M.D. (Portland, ME)
*    John B. Burgin, DDS (Crowley, LA)
*    Susan E. Caliri, DDS (Berkeley, CA)
*    Ivor Catt, M.A. (St. Albans, UK)
*    Asit K. Chakraborty, Ph.D. (Omaha, NE)
*    Jack G. Chamberlain, Ph.D. (Berkeley, CA)
*    Colleen Cook, R.N. (Wilmington, DE)
*    Daniel J. Corson, MFA (Seattle, WA)
*    J. Mark Cox, DDS (Midland, TX)
*    Etienne De Harven, M.D. (St. Cezaire sur Siagne, France)
*    Richard W. DeLisle D.C. (Leominster, MA)
*    James DeMeo Ph.D. (El Cerrito, CA)
*    Thomas A. Dorman, M.D. (San Luis Obispo, CA)
*    Mohammad Entezampour, Ph.D. (Dept. Biology Univ. North Texas, Denton,
TX)
*    Rafael Escribano, Ph.D. (Dept. Span.& Port. Univ. Cal. Riverside, TX)
*    Sami E. Fathalla, M.D., Ph.D. (Damman, Saudi Arabia)
*    Richard A. Fisher (Inter. Acad. Oral Med. & Toxicol., Annandale, VA)
*    Scott D. Flamm, M.D. (San Francisco, CA)
*    Michael R. Fox Ph.D. (Richland, WA)
*    Donato Fumarola, M.D. (Inst. Microbiolia Medica, Bari, Italy)
*    Charles L. Geshekter, Ph.D. (Dept. History, Cal. State Univ, Chico, CA)

*    Todd Gestaldo, D.C. (Sunnyvale, CA)
*    Edward S. Golub, Ph.D. (Pacific Center for Ethics & App. Biol., Solana
Beach, CA)
*    John Hardie, BDS (Dept. Dentistry Vancouver General Hospital, British
Columbia, Canada)
*    Robert J. Henderson, D.C. (Locust Valley, NY)
*    Charles A. Hill, M.D. (Houston, TX)
*    Charles Hoff, Ph.D. (Univ. South. Alabama, AL)
*    Mark E. Jarmel, D.C. (Santa Monica, CA)
*    Anne Marie Jeay, Ph.D. (Univ. Nancy II, France)
*    Jens Jerndal M.D. (Lanzarote, Spain)
*    Donald J. Johnson, DDS (Coeur d'Alene, ID)
*    William H. Jordan Jr, Ph.D. (Culver City, CA)
*    Dennis G. Kinnane, DOM (Torrence, CA)
*    Claus Kohnlein, M.D. (Kiel, Germany)
*    Stefan T.J. Lanka, Ph.D. (Radolfzell, Germany)
*    Barry A. Liebling, Ph.D. (New York, NY)
*    Michel Lobrot, Ph.D. (Univ. Paris VIII, Les Lilas, France)
*    Howard C. Mel, Ph.D. (Berkeley, CA)
*    Th. H.L. Michiels, M.D. (Vinkeveen, The Netherlands)
*    James W. Miller, M.D. (San Leandro, CA)
*    R. Munck, M.D. (Ceret, France)
*    Cindy Nelson, M.A. (San Francisco, CA)
*    Raymond W. Novaco, M.D. (Prof. Psychology & Soc. Behavior, Univ. Cal.,
Irvine, CA)
*    Sam Okware, M.D. (Ministry of Health, Entebbe, Uganda)
*    David J. Orman, M.Sc. (San Diego, CA)
*    George N. Pasto, M.D. (Portland, OR)
*    M. Dennis Paul, MscM (Amherst, NH)
*    Jack Perrine, Ph.D. (Pasadena, CA)
*    John L. Philp, M.D., MPH (Stockton, CA)
*    Peter W. Plumley, FSA (Chicago, IL)
*    Ronald F. Price, Ph.D. (La Trobe Univ., Bundoora, Victoria, Australia)
*    David W. Rasnick, Ph.D. (Alameda, CA)
*    Richard A. Ratner, M.D. (Bethesda, MD)
*    Rogers Reddings, Ph.D. (Univ. North Texas, Denton, TX)
*    Stephen J. Repitor, DPM (Oak Park, MI)
*    Douglas Roise, M.D. (St. Joseph's Hospital, Dickenson, ND)
*    Steven Roman, Ph.D. (San Diego, CA)
*    Cristobal A.P. Sandoval, M.D. (Cuba)
*    Alex Santoro, M.A. (Kansas City, MO)
*    George Sarant, M.D. (Bronx, NY)
*    David R. Schryer, Ph.D. (Hampton, VA)
*    C. Grier Sellers, C.A. (Seattle, WA)
*    James T. Shepherd, M.D. (Port Arthur, TX)
*    John G. Shiber, Ph.D. (Univ. Kentucky, Prestonberg, KY)
*    Irving P. Silberman, O.D. (Hyde Park, NY)
*    Tony Smith, CAGS (New York, NY)
*    James P. Snyder, Ph.D. (Glenview, IL)
*    James K. Stack, LLD (San Francisco, CA)
*    Mark S. Stanley, Ph.D. (Dept. Biol. Sciences, Univ. North Texas, Denton,
TX)
*    Ralph R. Stephens, LMT (Cedar Rapids, IA)
*    Joe Thomas, Ph.D. (ICMR-WHO Proj. on AIDS, Calcutta, India)
*    Richard A. Tuscher, D.O. (Portland, OR)
*    Jean van Camp, M.A. (New Martinsville, WV)
*    Raul Vergini, M.D. (Predappio, Italy)
*    James H. Warner, LLD (Rohersville, MD)
*    Edward J. Wawszkiewicz, Ph.D. (Chicago, IL)
*    Johathan C. Wells, Ph.D. (Fairfield, CA)
*    Adrian M. Wenner, Ph.D. (Dept. Biol. Sciences, Univ. Cal., Santa
Barbara, CA)
*    Manfred Wetter, Ph.D. (Copperbelt Univ., Kitwe, Zambia)
*    Derek A. Wolfe, DBM (North Devon, UK)
*    L.B. Work, M.D. (Monterey, CA)
*    Hung-His Wu, Ph.D. (Dept. Math. Univ. Cal., Berkeley, CA)
*    James Wu, M.D. (Foster City, CA)
*    Stanley J. Zyskowski, Ph.D. (Farmington Hills, MI)
*    Chr. Anti-Com. Crusade (Long Beach, CA)
*    Mark Alampi (Project AIDS Inter., Los Angeles, CA)
*    W.H. Beauman (Chicago, IL)
*    Tom Bethell (Washington, DC)
*    Darren S. Billings (Portland, ME)
*    Lloyd Billingsley (San Diego, CA)
*    David Black (New York, NY)
*    Paul N. Borland (Coal Point, New South Wales, Australia)
*    Douglas Bowes (Sarasota, FL)
*    James Boyle (Alvin, TX)
*    Harvey Braun (Bloomsfield, MI)
*    Ernie Brown (Albuquerque, NM)
*    Elizabeth Burbank (Seattle, WA)
*    Peter J. Buxtun (San Francisco, CA)
*    Colleen Y. Campbell (King City, CA)
*    Eric R. Carle (New York, NY)
*    David Carponter (Continuum, London, UK)
*    Dagmar Carstensen (Washington, DC)
*    Wm. J. Carter (Tucker, GA)
*    John M. Chaplick (Haverhill, MA)
*    Fred A. Cline, Jr. (San Francisco, CA)
*    Annemarie Colbin (New York, NY)
*    Patrick A. Cooke (Dept. Biology, Univ. North Texas, Denton, TX)
*    Paul Coombs (Everette, WA)
*    Bryan J. Coyle (Woodacre, CA)
*    Timothy Cwiek (Philadelphia, PA)
*    Pascal DeBock (London, UK)
*    Douglas J. Didrick (Los Angeles, CA)
*    Tom DiFerdinando (New York, NY)
*    John P. Doyle (Philadelphia, PA)
*    Gil Egger (Geneva, Switzerland)
*    Alfredo Embid (Madrid, Spain)
*    Todd Erickson (Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada)
*    Carl Etterman (Hamtramck, MI)
*    Carlos E. Fonseca (Sao Paulo, Brazil)
*    Robert Friedman (Queens, NY)
*    Arnold W. Giddens (Shingle Springs, CA)
*    Cliff Kali Goodman (New York, NY)
*    Kathy Goss (San Francisco, CA)
*    James A. Grisanzio (Waltham, MA)
*    William I. Grosky (Southfield, MI)
*    Bob Guccione, Jr. (Editor Spin Magazine, New York, NY)
*    Judy Hagbery (Prineville, OR)
*    Tino Harikipoulo (Paris, France)
*    Philip Harris (New York, NY)
*    Byron R. Hartenstine (Muncy, PA)
*    Ann Marie Heffner (Los Angeles, CA)
*    Jane Heimlich (Cincinnatti, OH)
*    Richard Henriques (London, UK)
*    Ron & Linda Hiebert (Apo, AE)
*    Hippocrates Health Centre (Gold Coast, Queensland, Australia)
*    James P. Hogan (Pensacola, FL)
*    William T. Holmes (San Diego, CA)
*    Chase Hooks (Irving, TX)
*    Joe Horton (Foresthill, CA)
*    Carroll L. Hoyt (Escondido, CA)
*    Vic Humeniuk (Monterey, TN)
*    I.U.A.A. (Dortmund, Germany)
*    Thomas Izzo (Union City, NY)
*    Brian Jacobs (Ft. Lauderdale, FL)
*    Allen L. Jogerst (Kalamazoo, MI)
*    Christine Johnson (Venice, CA)
*    Douglas B. Johnson (East Lansing, MI)
*    Edna Ileana Johnson (Albuquerque, NM)
*    Creton Kalfoglou (Vienna, Austria)
*    Preston J. Kauffman (Pasadena, CA)
*    Tim Keller (New York, NY)
*    Vladimir L. Koliadin (Kharkov, Ukraine)
*    Al Korostynski (Northhampton, MA)
*    Daniela Kotev (Lakewood, CA)
*    Edward Kowalczyk (Arlington Heights, IL)
*    Philippe Krynen (Kagera, Tanzania)
*    Sylvestre Kupczak (Paris, France)
*    Thomas Kursar (New York, NY)
*    Ilse Lass (Berlin, Germany)
*    Richard A. Laune (Olathe, KS)
*    Lisbeth Lauritzen (Brighton, MA)
*    Fernando Levy (Oakland, CA)
*    Judith Lopez (San Francisco, CA)
*    Dariusz Lakaszynski (Univ. Lund, Sweden)
*    Clemmer Mayhew III (Delray Beach, FL)
*    Raoul Mazzoni (Reseda, CA)
*    Mark McClenaghan (New Westminster, British Columbia, Canada)
*    Mark McNeil (Cincinnati, OH)
*    Nina Menkes (West Hollywood, CA)
*    Ronald E. Milligan (Westminster, CA)
*    Fritz H. Mishler (Willamina, OR)
*    Clark Molstad (Cal. State Univ., San Bernardino, CA)
*    Byron Morgan (Lake Arrowhead, CA)
*    Christopher Morrill (San Anselmo, CA)
*    Ted Morrison (Park Forest, IL)
*    Linda L. Muri (Sudsbury, MA)
*    Leah Neal (Austin, TX)
*    James W. Nugent (Laguna Beach, CA)
*    Jean-Paul Ouelette (Daly City, CA)
*    Gerard Pollender (Sherbrook, Quebec, Canada)
*    Gordon Punt (Cotati, CA)
*    Pamela M. Quinn (Hamel, MN)
*    E.A. Racette (New Brunswick, NJ)
*    Molly Ratcliffe (London, UK)
*    Karen Reedstrom (Roayl Oak, MI)
*    Hildegard B. Richter (Sao Paulo, Brazil)
*    Dick Rider (San Diego, CA)
*    Gary Robertson (Arundel Crest, Queensland, Australia)
*    G. Seven Rose (Boston, MA)
*    Pece Salvatore (Bari, Italy)
*    Cornell Scanlan (Sunnyvale, CA)
*    Edward Scanlon (Kansas City, MO)
*    Kawi Schneider (Berlin, Germany)
*    Michelle B. Shwartz (Oakland, CA)
*    Doug Scott (Sacramento, CA)
*    James M. Scutero (New York, NY)
*    Jean Seely (Roseville, MI)
*    John Shaloub (Lyndhurst, NJ)
*    Thomas S. Serrill (St. Gabriel, LA)
*    Michael D. Sliva (Dallas, TX)
*    E. David Smith (Berkeley, CA)
*    Toren Smith (San Francisco, CA)
*    Herb Snyder (Lake Shore, MN)
*    Jeremy Stagg (Warragul, Victoria, Australia)
*    Erich Steeg (Daly City, CA)
*    Danny Stout (Los Angeles, CA)
*    Nathan Stout (Yountville, CA)
*    Terrance Leon Sullivan (Los Angeles, CA)
*    Hubert O. Teer, Jr. (Durham, NC)
*    Hames Thompson (Dowling, MI)
*    Charles Thorstenberg (Norman, OK)
*    Ralph Torello (Richardson, TX)
*    John R. Totter (Oak Ridge, TN)
*    James Trabulse (San Francisco, CA)
*    Marianne Ueberschar (Downsview, Onatrio, Canada)
*    Yahshua Walls (Cincinnati, OH)
*    Anita Weissberg (San Francisco, CA)
*    Lois Wells (Brookings, SD)
*    Jody Wells (Continuum, London, UK)
*    John S. Wiggins (Los Angeles, CA)
*    Paul R. Zappala (New York, NY)
*    Mark Zimmerman (Boston, MA)
*    Marvin R. Kitzerow Jr. (Chicago, IL)
*    George Milowe, M.D. (Malden, MA)
*    John Voll (Los Angeles, CA)

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Other Scientists, Medical Professionals,
Authors And Academics
Who Have Signed A Petition Calling For
Reappraisal Of The Hiv-Aids Theory
(also signed by many of those quoted above):
Abel Jeanette S. MD (Portland, Oregon)
Agarwal Dr. Madhu, homeopathic physician, Nagpur, India,
Agbabian Vahagn, D.O. (Pontiac, Michigan)
Agliano Paolo, Siena, Italy, PhD, Dept. of Mathematics, University of
Siena
Aguirre Humberto, Aids Educator, Psychologist, Atlanta, Georgia
Ahmed Syed Masud, MBBS, MPH, Dhaka, Bangladesh
Akeman Patricia, R.N. (Goleta, California)
Akolkar Dr. Shreepad, MD, DPH (Diploma in Public Health), FRIPHH (Fellow
of Royal Institute of Public Health & Hygiene ), Pune, Maharashtra, India

Alberti Mirco, Naturopathic Physician, Bologna, Italy
Alexavich Barry R. (Cell Biologist, Bristol, Connecticut)
Almeida Ricardo, Visiting Professor, Ecological issues, Southern New
Hampshire University, Manchester, New Hampshire
Ambiel Roger, Nurse teacher, Zurich, Switzerland
Amoroso Serafino, N.D., PhD, DAHom, New Jersey Center for the Healing
Arts, Red Bank, New Jersey
Anastasopoulos Emmanuel MD, PhD, Athens, Greece
Andelin John B., MD (Mercy Hospital, Williston, North Dakota)
Anderlini-D’Onofrio Serena, PhD, Professor of Humanities,
Interdisciplinary Scholar, and Author, University of Puerto Rico at
Mayaguez
Anderson Mark, D.C. (Orlando, Florida)
Anderson Mark K., M.S. Physics, Science Journalist, Northampton,
Massachusetts
Angulo Douglas, Mathematician, Biostatistician, Caracas, Venezuela
Aravind K.C., MSc Student Microbiology, Chennai, India
Arce, Jose Pedro, Biologist, Ensenada, Mexico
Aresti Lore, Psychoanalyst, Mexico City, author VIH=SIDA=MUERTE?
(Hiv=Aids=Death?)
Armenteros M.A., N.D., Naturopathic Physician, Downey, California
Arnold Janet S., MD, Family Physician, Richland, Washington
Arteaga Angel Lopez, Electrical and Electronic Engineer, Madrid, Spain
Attig Elizabeth, Registered Nurse, Wynnewood, Pennsylvania
Augello Trina, Student of Oriental Medicine, Kissimmee, Florida
Austin E., M.Sc., Victoria, British Columbia
Avarind, K.C., student M.Sc, Microbiology, Chennai, India
Bacchus Laurence, Diploma in Naturopathy, Auckland, New Zealand
Badjou Salah, PhD, Physics, Research engineer, Lancaster
Baijoo Anuka, Research Chemist, Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
Baker James C., PhD (Santa Rosa, California)
Baker Jeff, M.A., former immunology grad student, Northwestern University
Medical School; Advanced Placement Biology Teacher, Auburn Hills, Michigan

Baker Robert D., DVM, Veterinarian, Lagunitas, California
Bao-quy, Dr. Nguyen-phuoc, Medical Practitioner, MBBS FRACGP MACNEM,
Sydney, Australia
Barbaranelli Claudio, Associate Professor of Methodology, Department of
Psychology, University of Rome “La Sapienza,” Italy
Barrera Jose, Technical Engineer, Seville, Spain
Bass Robert W. Ph.D, Johns Hopkins, Rhodes Scholar, Professor of Physics
and Astronomy, Brigham Young Univ., Provo, Utah: Senior Editor, Kronos, A
Journal of Interdisciplinary Synthesis
Benguerel André-Pierre, PhD, Professor Emeritus, University of British
Columbia, Vancouver, Canada
Benson Andrew A., PhD (La Jolla, California)
Berger Richard M.A., DDS (Berkeley, California)
Bernhard B, Master of Public Health, Germany
Bernu Rachel, Journalist – Eye on Africa, Washington, DC
Bharti India, M.Sc Biochemistry, Melbourne, Australia
Bhattacharya Tathagata, M.A., Journalist, “The Pioneer,” New Delhi, India
Bhawalkar Uday, PhD, Biochemical engineering, Maharashtra, India
Bicker Hans, Biologist, Willemstad, Curacao, Netherlands Antilles
Binder Eva, Journalist, Vienna, Austria
Binder Irwin H., MS HRD, Fort Wayne, Indiana
Bindi Antonio, DDS, MSD, Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Birge Robert W., PhD (Berkeley, California)
Blam Shelly B., PhD (Alameda, California)
Blankfort John S., DDS (San Francisco, California)
Blumencranz Seth, Mechanical Engineer, Huntington, New York
Boehnke Helmut Walter, Heilpraktiker, Alternative Medicine, Berlin,
Germany
Borzí Giuseppe, PhD, Assistant Professor, Department of Mathematics,
University of Messina, Italy
Bosworth Dorothy L., PhD (Carlsbad, California)
Braeckman Bruno, Traditional Chinese Medicine & Acupuncture, former
Chairman of the Belgian Acupunctors Federation (1983-1997), Gent, Belgium
Braly Mack M., M.A., J.D., Adjunct Professor of Evidence, University of
Tulsa Law School, Oklahoma
Brands Martien, MD, PhD, Senior lecturer, Dept. of Primary Care,
University of Liverpool; Free University, Amsterdam, Netherlands
Bransome Barbro, MD, Family Medicine, Stockholm, Sweden
Brawner Tucker, DPM (Savannah, Georgia)
Briggs Brian E., MD (Minot, North Dakota)
Brooks Christopher, Ph.D, Geophysics, ANU, Vankleek Hill, Ontario, Canada
Brooks Natashya, Student of Oriental Medicine, Berkeley, California
Brown Darin C., Graduate Student, Mathematics, University of California,
Santa Barbara
Brown Douglas W., MD (Portland, Maine)
Brown Paul, J.D., MPP, Houston Texas
Brown Ronald, Biology Teacher, Table Grove, Illinois
Brown Wayne E., Registered Pharmacist, Houston, Texas
Buck Deanna, Neuroscience Researcher, National Institutes of Health (NIH),
Bethesda, Maryland, Blanchette Rockefeller Neuroscience Institute, Johns
Hopkins University, Rockville, Maryland
Bullard Derwin Michael, MS Ed in counseling; doctoral candidate in
clinical psychology, Far Rockaway, New York
Burciaga Roberto, M.A., Guadalajara, Mexico
Burd, David, Chevy Chase, Md, US Patent Examiner – Medical Technology
Burgin John B., DDS (Crowley, Louisiana)
Burns Robert A., Graduate Student in Molecular Biology, University of New
Brunswick, Canada
Buyinza Michael, MD, Psychiatrist, Buffalo, New York. Former NIMH fellow.
Also MPH, completing a PhD in Public Health at New York University
Byrski Liz, Fremantle, Western Australia, Author, Facing Cancer- and other
books. Adjunct Teaching Fellow, Curtin University of Technology. Winner,
CSIRO Award for Excellence in Science Journalism (1996)
Caliri Susan E., DDS (Berkeley, California)
Calleira Melinda (Pres. Amer. a.s. Science & Public Policy, Los Angeles,
California)
Cannonito Frank, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Mathematics University of
California, Irvine
Capra Russel, Physicist, Porto Alegre, Brazil
Cathcart Dr. Robert, San Francisco, California
Catt Ivor, M.A., St. Albans, UK
Chakraborty Asit K., PhD (Omaha, Nebraska)
Chamberlain Jack G., PhD (Berkeley, California)
Chaney Dennis, PhD (Chaney Scientific Inc. Burlingame, California)
Chase Ronald M., MD, Physician, Hauppauge, New York
Che David, DDS, Chicago, Illinois
Checchi Francesco, Immunologist, Pre-Doctoral Fellow National Institutes
of Health, Washington DC
Chegwidden William, Medical Journalist/Translator, Le Mans, France
Chester Nicholas, PhD, Molecular Biology and Biochemistry, Harvard Medical
School, Boston, Massachusetts
Christiansen Lynge Carlshollt, PhD, Molecular Biologist, Copenhagen,
Denmark
Cicone D. Rachael, Laboratory Manager, Boston, Massachusetts
Clark Timothy J., RN, Lexington, North Carolina
Clinton Vernita, Grad. Student, Student teacher, Chemistry Dept., Western
Illinois University
Colaianni Luigi, PhD, RomaTre University, Milano, Italy
Cole Lawrence, Electrical Engineer, Pasadena, California
Coleman Bob, PhD, Independent Researcher, Dallas, Texas
Combs Christopher, RN, Physician Assistant, Howell, Michigan
Combs Jill, M.S., CRNA (Certified Registered Nurse Anesthetist), Howell,
Michigan
Cook Anthony, PhD, PGCE, Manchester, United Kingdom,
Cook Colleen, R.N. (Wilmington, Delaware)
Cooke Patrick A. (Dept. Biology, Univ. North Texas, Denton, Texas)
Cools, Delaine, Social Worker, Durban, South Africa
Cornell Thomas J, Associate Professor of Biology, Mott College, Flint,
Michigan
Corson Daniel J., MFA, Seattle, Washington
Corvo Alejandro, MD, PhD, Miami, Florida
Cottier H. Prof., MD
Cotugno Marcello, Film Director, Roma, Italy
Couture Jeanne, Registered Nurse, M.S. Nurse educator, Clinical Nurse
specialist, Troy, New York
Cox J. Mark, DDS (Midland, Texas)
Coyne James P., Author, Weston, Florida
Cruz Jason, Biology M.S. Student, West Chester, Pennsylvania
Culshaw Rebecca Veronica, M.Sc. Mathematics, Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
Cummings Joseph, MA Dept. of Public Health, Boston, Massachusetts
Cvetkovic Milivoje, PhD, Immunology, Monash University, Melbourne,
Australia
Damians Jean-luc, Managing Director, Connect Africa, Johannesburg, SA
Davies Hywel, MD (Cardiologist, Pueblo West, Colorado)
Davis Paul, Electrical Engineer, Arcadia, California
Dantec Maurice Georges, Author, Montreal, Canada
Day M. Henri, MD, PhD, Senior Consultant in Psychiatry, Oslo, Norway
Dayton Maria, PhD, Harvard University, Molecular Biology, San Diego,
California
Deben Prem, PhD, Herbalist and Hypnotherapist, Washington, D.C.
De Lathouder, Yancy, M.S., Chemistry, Palo Alto, California
Delgado Leonel Isidro, MD, Surgeon, Mexico City
Deraker Ola, Journalist, Södertälje, Sweden
Derosa Richard, Engineer, San Jose, California
Deshane Amy L., M.A., M.S., Human Development, Bangor, Maine
De Sotomayor, Dr. Myriam Alvarez, MD, Gynaecologist, Hospital of
Lanzarote, Lanzarote, Canary Islands
Devereaux Nathaniel, Psychiatric Technician/Case Manager, Oakland,
California
Diaz Rata, Juan Mauricio, Dentist, Bucaramanga, Colombia
DiFerdinando Tom, HBCS, specialist in lymphology and body work, Executive
Director of HEAL-New York
Dittlebrandt Marlowe, MD (Portland, Oregon)
Doane Alan David, Broadcast Journalist, Glens Falls, New York
Dolson-fazio Anthony, M.S., Acupuncturist, Herbalist, Ithaca, New York
Donald John R., MB ChB, Anaesthetist, Institute of Neurological Science,
Glasgow, Scotland
Dorman Thomas A., MD (San Luis Obispo, California)
Doube Peter, Melbourne, Australia, Former Social Research Assistant,
MacFarlane Burnet Centre for Medical Research
Downey Allen B., PhD, Professor of Computer Science, Colby College,
Waterville, Maine
Dudek Peter, PhD candidate Immunology, University of British Columbia,
Vancouver, Canada
Dudley Tom, Biology Instructor, Angelina College, Lufkin, Texas; Author of
a botany laboratory manual, a statistics textbook, and the novel Black
Cottage
Edeh Chris, Engineer, Abuja, Nigeria
Edgerton Ezra, DC, Tryon, North Carolina, Chiropractic Physician
Edlin Gordon J., PhD, Professor of Biochemistry and Physics, University of
Hawaii
Eisner Mark W., Kinesiotherapist/ Exercise Physiologist, Norwalk,
California
Ekpat Richard, MD, Holistic Health Practitioner and Certified Specialized
Kinesiologist, Pasadena, California
Elkink Jos, PhD, Political Science, Trinity College, Dublin; Leiden,
Netherlands
Ellison, Bryan J., Author, Molecular Biology grad student, Berkeley,
California
Elsherif Tarek, PhD, Molecular Biologist, Technische Universit t München,
Munich, Germany
Embid Alfredo, Acupuncturist, Coordinator of the Spanish Association of
Complementary Medicines and of Holistic Medicine magazine, Madrid, Spain
Entezampour Mohammad, PhD (Dept. Biology Univ. North Texas, Denton, Texas)

Escribano Rafael, PhD (Dept. Spanish & Portuguese, University of
California. Riverside, Texas)
Espericueta Rafael, Professor, former Chair, Dept. of Mathematics,
Bakersfield College, Bakersfield, California, Instructor, University of
Phoenix, formerly senior programmer in the Brain Imaging Lab at the
University of California, Irvine Medical School
Ettedgui Daniel, D.O., Osteopathic physician, Board Certified Physical
Medicine and Rehabilitation, Boca Raton, Florida
Evans Bruce D, PhD, Assoc. Prof. Biology, Huntington College, Indiana
GMCarter - 13 Dec 2004 13:33 GMT
snip>
>In addition there were 14 others who have added their signatures in July
>1991.
>
>By March 1993 the following persons had added their signatories:

And by 2004?

That's the problem with these lists. They're like you, Paulie,
dearest. You need a toilet-paper wrapped Q-Tip to cleanse the ears
cause you is SO full of sh.t....
tsip29 - 13 Dec 2004 16:22 GMT
it is just a list! i agree.

but fact is from amerika  till australia many respectable scientist agree
there is a missing link in hiv/aids.
DavidT - 13 Dec 2004 17:58 GMT
Surprising how few sign up to this drivel nowadays - I guess you can't
stay in denial for ever.

Why don't you remove all those who have died from AIDS from your list
of has-been scientists and journalists and denialists - (eg Michael
Callen, author of "Surviving AIDS")!
PaulKing - 13 Dec 2004 23:20 GMT
"Surprising how few sign up to this drivel nowadays"

Oh really? I count an average of five a day. More than EVER.
Death - 14 Dec 2004 02:26 GMT
"PaulKing" <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote in message

> Oh really? I count an average of five a day. More than EVER.

"Mystery 'Fireballs'
A Trail-Object Connection?"
By Brenda Livingston
http://tracers.8m.com
12-12-4

With more people now capable of gathering more data about the mysterious
objects and strange contrails and material filling our skies, intriguing new
information is now surfacing...

In our atmosphere, dark/colorful objects surrounding what appears to be
white spheroidal shaped material move out of some types of persistent
contrails (PCs) or "chemtrails". These mysterious objects appear to glow and
produce intense flashes of light (heat) at times both day and night.

Polymer or "angel hair" falls also occur with some frequency --consisting of
long strands of silk-like material moving through the atmosphere and
descending to earth. (see http://tracers.8m.com/ahair.htm). These falls are
often accompanied by the PC-related objects over the same areas. These
atmospheric phenomena have found their place in the halls of the
"unexplained" for decadesyet new data is shedding some light on these
enigmas.

Although lab analyses of some polymer falls (http://tracers.8m.com/ah.htm)
have been fascinating and have provided clues to these atmospheric
mysteries -- one of the most fascinating and potentially revealing sky
phenomena are the large and intensely bright "fireball-like" spherical
objects moving horizontally across our skies. On rare occasions, these
bright objects result in air or ground explosions and unusual fires and
residueproviding an opportunity to test samples.

Through analysis of stunning and revealing new videos, photographs and
witness reports--there now may be evidence that suggests a possible link
between these most unusual fireballs (non-meteoric events) and the
PC-related objects. Although no conclusions can be reached at this time,
there certainly appear to be some intriguing connections that require
further exploration.

Potential connections between unusually bright, colorful horizontal path
"fireballs" and PC-related "combo" objects seen and videotaped include the
following:

The PC-related objects: (a) possess similar characteristics of shape and
size to the unusual "fireballs" (i.e., larger variety of "combos" with
multiple dark objects); (b) appear to create low altitude daytime horizontal
trails which are a characteristic of daylight fireballs; ( c) have similar
colors to reported "fireballs" as they appear at night (i.e., glowing
"combos" at night with colors of green, orange, red, blue, purple, etc..;
and (d) are likely composed of or contain chemicals and materials which
could produce bright intense flashes of light similar to that witnessed with
some unusual "fireballs".

Excellent photographs taken during daylight may also illustrate the
transition of a large "combo" (whiter material surrounded by multiple dark
objects) into a 'fiery ball. Persistent contrails and smaller dark/white
"combos" have also been witnessed near rolling "fireballs"

Strange "Fireballs"

To examine this possibility more closely"we need to take a closer look at
any available witness reports and documentation regarding unusual "fireball"
events. (see http://tracers.8m.com/fireballs.htm for photographs of a
variety of fireballs)

Fireball events have been witnessed during both the daylight and night time
hours"but are more frequently seen at night and are described as a larger
and brighter version of normal meteoric events. According to the American
Meteorological Society, meteors are usually split second events as a small
rock collides with the atmosphere and burns up quickly high in the
atmosphere appearing as a small white light in the night sky followed by a
long tail of sparks (known as a 'shooting star') lasting a split second to a
second.

Occasionally, this small chunk of space debris does not disintegrate
completely and when it reaches approximately 50,000 feet or a bit lower,
what is left (a meteorite) then falls to the ground at ambient temperature.
At times, a bolide may explode high in the atmosphere splitting into several
pieces"all of which fall as ambient temperature meteorites producing no
fires or ground explosions.

Often witnesses report hearing an explosion overhead (with a bolide hitting
the atmosphere) and others may hear a hissing or whistle-like sound as the
meteorite whizzes by before striking the ground. The angle of trajectory is
at from 20 to 40 degrees not horizontal or following the curve of the earth.

What is significant about particular "fireball-like" sightings is that these
do not follow the characteristics of normal meteors. The unusual "fireballs"
in question are very bright and large; traverse the skies in a horizontal
pathsome reportedly stopping, hovering, or reversing course. Many move at
low altitude (2,000 to 50,000 feet) without a sound"some roaring like a gas
torch-- and all displaying colors not seen in meteor falls (many green, red
or blue-white).

Most intriguing is that these "Special Fireballs" (like Spheres,
"Foo-Fighters "Angel Hair" or Polymer Falls, and Ice Falls) have been
reported over a span of many years the most infamous reports gathered by the
military in 1948.

These unusual 'fireball-like" objects certainly appear to have been
occupying our skies for decades or longer with relatively little harm or
damage on the ground or to any aircraft (yet reported) with ground events
being few and far between.

Because current reports and studies conducted by the military or the
scientific community are not readily available to the public at this time--
the following reports are of interest and may provide some valuable clues to
present events.

Green Fireballs

A plethora of very unusual fireball reports were presented in a transcript
taken from a conference on "Aerial Phenomena" sponsored by the 4th Army
(along with the Air Force and FBI) at the Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory
(now LANL) in 1949. Reportedly in attendance were Dr. Lincoln LaPaz of the U
niversity of New Mexico and Edward Teller.

The discussion focused on the multiple sightings of "green fireballs" near
nuclear and military facilities in the U.S. and in particular those spotted
in the skies over Los Alamos. Dr. LaPaz had an opportunity to personally
witness a bright green fireball on the evening of December 12 and presented
his findings of this sighting and reports of similar events. He was
convinced that these fireballs were not meteors and concerned that they
might be artificially constructed. All were concerned that these could be a
weapon system of some sort.

What distinguished these fireballs were their large intense light, unusual
color, long horizontal path, no long tail of sparks, low altitude, lack of
sound in most cases and explosion and fragmentation without a finding of
meteorites on the ground. In the discussion between LaPaz and Teller, the
fact that these fireballs did follow the curvature of the earth for such a
long distance convinced both that these objects were propelled forward by a
type of internal energy source.

Although LaPaz was most impressed with the specific color of green for these
fireballs, sighting reports of a fireball that traveled from New Mexico into
Texas (a 143 mile journey) mentioned that this fireball was green at one
point.. then red, blue and even purple at other points along its path. And
although total silence accompanied most of these fireballs"several witnesses
reported hearing what sounded like a gasoline blowtorch rumbling overhead at
the time.

"Bright Skies" in Australia

This particular roaring sound also accompanied large intensely bright
fireballs sighted across Australia during the 1990's.as reported in the
findings of a geologist Harry Mason in his article "Bright Skies" (1997).
Mason provides a most revealing study and survey of more current horizontal
path fireball-like objects rolling across the skies of Australia.

Mason was contracted to study seismic activity in the Eastern goldfields of
Banjawarn in 1993 which led to multiple interviews of witnesses to
extraordinary fireball events. An intense fireball was witnessed over this
area at 11 pm over May 28, 1993 which was followed by a seismic activity
reading of 3.9. (No seismic activity had ever been recorded in this area
previously). Very unusual destruction was seen at the Alycia mine with 3
inch pipes severed underground.

The fireball reported in this incident was orange-red in color with a short
conical tail traveling slow on a horizontal path at about 1,000 to 2,000
feet above the ground. This fireball followed a "250 km trajectory and ended
in a high energy burst of blue-white light seen from 100 km all around the
site."

Other reports of 'fireball-like' objects over Australia during the 1990's
were accompanied by a loud roar with no sound during the air explosions that
followed And no meteorites were ever found on the ground during searches
after these events.

Mason continued to gather fireball reports and data up to 1998 and provides
the following brief assessment of his findings for all Australian states.

These unusual fireballs had the following characteristics:

*low altitude horizontal path *small conical tails *no fragment drop off or
meteorites found *velocity less than sound (no sonic booms) *sudden change
in course reported *increase in speed or dead stop and hover or reverse path
*some change to vertical path moving upwards toward space *intense vibration
of ground and housing during a passover *explode over horizon in massive
blue-white arcing light displays *sudden intense high altitude light flashes
*power generator over-voltage outages and other electrical effects

These characteristics hardly meet the criteria for meteor or bolide event or
falling space debris but it does match some of the activities and
characteristics of the PC-related objects.

One important fireball report from the Tom Price area in Australia contains
a most graphic description of a fireball moving at low altitude overhead.
The witness reported seeing: "an intense spherical ball or orange-red fire
swirling in a spiral pattern"the flame disappearing internally upwards into
a central black hole or void within."

This suggests the possibility that either a plasma or gaseous substance is
swirling around a steady central coreperhaps moving from the 'top' of the
object and flowing all around it to move back into it from the bottom of the
object.

Interestingly enough, many reports of spheroidal objects contain references
to a 'misty' or cloudy flow emanating from the top of the whitish objects
suggesting a possible propulsion or energy source.

The Arkansas Fire & Fireball Mystery

The night of March 9, 2000 heralded one of the most revealing series of
events in unusual "fireball" history. Witnessed over much of the state of
Arkansas--sightings of bright spherical lights, flashes of intense light
that illuminated the ground, low horizontal fireballs traveling overhead and
mysterious fires and ground explosions were reported to local agencies and
ufo centers.

Although most of the reports centered around Little Rock and north to
Mountain Home some fireballs were seen as far west as Ft. Smith that night.
The first set of sightings reported this night occurred between 7 and 9 pm
in the towns of Memphis, Eureka Springs, Timbo and Conway areas.

A courier for a pharmacy was driving from Little Rock to Blytheville and
witnessed "a ball of lava" the size of a softball (relative at arm's length)
in the distance between 7 and 7:30 pm CST. This fireball was moving from
southeast to northwest "not looking anything like a meteor".

Another person reported a widespread bright light looking much like "a
diffuse sheet of lightning" in a clear sky near Eureka Springs at about 8:25
pm followed by a large fireball moving horizontally from north to south. A
man with a physics-astronomy background witnessed a bright green fireball
with an orange tail traveling by about a half mile away at an approximate
altitude of 1000 feet which disappeared over a ridge near Conway Arkansas.

Two sisters traveling together on a dirt road near Timbo both witnessed the
sky suddenly turning bright white for several seconds followed by pitch
dark. This event was followed by a black-orange fireball moving overhead.
One sister described this strange ball of fire as "a large black and red
ball with red lightning" streaks emanating from it. (This description is
reminiscent of the black and orange fireball over Australia).

The most spectacular sky sighting the night of March 9, 2000 was seen by a
couple near Mountain Home in the northern part of Arkansas at 10 pm (which
may have been witnessed by others looking north from the Little Rock area).
They had stepped outside to look at the stars and were startled to suddenly
see a "bright white golfball size (at arm's length) orb" appear to hit what
could only be described as a "glass dome" high in the atmosphere and totally
illuminate the surrounding forest in an intensely bright white light.

After approximately 45 seconds the light receded and they described a golden
red teardrop shaped fireball following the same track as the orbthis
fireball having "two blue trails emanating from either side in the southwest
sky "at the 11 o'clock position". The fireball appeared to be 4" long and "
wide at arm's length.

At the same time this couple in Mountain Home witnessed this event (at about
10 pm), five friends were looking north "from the most northeastern side of
one of the tallest hills in North Little Rock (approximately 90 miles south
of Mountain Home) when "the northern nigh sky lit up like a fireball".
"There was no streak from the sky, it looked more like a tremendous
explosion."

During this evening, while cruising over Arkansas -- a commercial airline
stewardess reported to the crew that a reddish spherical object was just off
the wing of the aircraft. The co-pilot and a passenger were also witness to
this strange light. Further information is now being pursued about this
report.

At about 11:50 pm that night after hearing about this event, a friend of the
five witnesses was sitting outside looking to the north and suddenly heard a
loud explosion coming from the southeast of his position in Little Rock. "I
turned around and saw what appeared to be a mushroom cloud" in that area.

And at 11:50 pm in the Little Rock area, Al Collier (reporter and
journalist) heard reports over his police scanner that alarmed him. A
commercial airline pilot had apparently witnessed a strange light in the sky
followed by "mushroom clouds" on the ground southwest of Little Rock.
Concerned about a possible downed aircraft, he radioed officials and
reported what he had seen.

Witnesses on the ground in the area southeast of Little Rock in the
adjoining counties of Lonoke, Pulaski and Jefferson were also reporting to
local officials loud explosions and mushroom cloudsand strange fires
covering a 40 mile area.

As the firemen and police arrived at the scene, they encountered strange
fires indeed. One firemen reported that the heat from these fires was so
intense that the paint began melting on his truck. When they were able to
get closer to begin trying to get these fires under control, the
firefighters were overcome by a strong sulfur-like smell seeing yellow
sparkling small fires leaving circular patterns, and trees only burned
halfway up their trunks. It was almost as if a corrosive molten liquid had
spilled over the area burning into the roots of the trees and certain areas
of grass and vegetationleaving adjacent areas completely untouched. (see
http://tracer.8m.com/fireballevid.htm for scene photographs)

Al Collier visited the area the following day and witnessed a most unusual
scene. (see http://www.ipa.net/~historyhides/fireball for his full reports)
and took pictures for the record. The pictures reveal a white ash covering
some of the grass, tree branches and vegetation in the area, foot deep
craters in the ground with burned roots and soil. Only a few trees in the
whole area had been burned a their tops most appeared to be singed only a
fourth inch into the bark and burned up about 3 feet from ground level. A
branch lay totally burned to a white ash lay next to green untouched grass
and leaves

Firefighters remarked that they had never encountered a ground fire with
these patterns of burning and sparking with not one tree totally consumed.
One witness to these unusual fires stated that globs of fire were falling
from tree branches to the ground (perhaps creating the craters?).

So what chemical or substance could account for this type of fire and
explosive activity? Other pictures were taken at the scene by Craig
McGinley. These show not only a whitish-gray residue covering much of the
vegetation, but an unusual purple caked or powdery substance deep within
some of the small craters in the area. Witnesses described the earth looked
like baked clay with a light gray ash on top of it

Not only were there unusual fires and substances in this area. Al Collier
was witness to what he described as a long "groove' cut into the ground
which ended in an embankment of earth. He gathered samples of soil and
substances from the area and reportedly gave these over to a research group
for lab analysis...which has not been forthcoming. When he returned to the
scene later, the whole area had been covered by new dirt and tracks of
bulldozers and equipment was evident.

Others on the scene from government agencies also examined the area and took
samples promised to make public lab reports and an assessment of the scene.
No reports from any of the parties collecting samples have surfaced to date
and follow-ups have run into dead-ends. Anyone with any information about
"The Arkansas Fire Mystery" is invited to contact me or make reports
available to researchers and the public. No doubt put together with other
findings, these reports could be most enlightening.

Fireball & Fire Of Ventura County California 1998

Another event that seems to connect bright white lights with resulting
unusual fires happened in Ventura County California in 1998 (see
http://tracer.8m.com/fireballevid.htm for scene photographs)

Excerpts from a report by Don Robertson:

"On September 10, 1998, the sky above the greater Los Angeles area lit up.
Thousands of people saw a blue-white fireball arch from west to east,
appearing to crash near Calabasas area in the valley. Two women, one in Simi
Valley, and another in the mountains between Santa Monica and Calabasas,
were witness to the event

"It was dusk, It wasn't that dark. I could still see the mountains. I was on
the phone talking to a friend, looking out the window. 'My God!' I said to
my friend, 'There's something on fire in the sky passing over my house!'
There was no sound. It looked like something dropped off of it as it
disappeared behind a nearby hill."

Simi Valley resident, further east, was about to enter her home. "It was
getting dark enough to see the early stars, I just looked up as I was going
back in the house, and there was a real bright light that came overhead from
west to east. It looked like a comet with a tail. Sort of like a gas flame;
blue and white in color. Once it passed my head, it changed into a Vee
shape; like a Stealth Bomber, only more Vee shaped.

"The object traveled faster than a plane, about the same height as aircraft
going into LAX [Los Angeles International Airport] and Burbank airport. As
it continued eastward, all of a sudden there was a big blast of light, and
poof, it was gone! It reminded me of a Star Trek movie when they're going
into warp drive."

Evidence was gathered from local vegetation by the Ventura/Santa Barbara
MUFON group and analyzed at a lab, along with radiation readings of a site
near one of the witness' home. Analyses revealed that the vegetation was
dehydrated, bark had separated from branches, an greyish-purple substance
formed on top of leaves and bark, and trees exploded. Evidence was
photographed and documented.

The similarities of this fire to that witnessed by the firefighters in
Arkansas in 2000 is striking. Evidence of extreme heat that singed only the
outer parts of vegetation and the caking and crusting of the ground and
bushes with a strange grey material along with the sightings of a bright
white light may indeed connect these two events.

Trailmakers & Daylight "Fireballs"

As I have said before there are contrails (short and long-lived) created by
the exhaust of aircraft forming ice crystals and then there are some unusual
long-lived trails in the atmosphere which may be created by something quite
different from conventional aircraft.

In the 'green fireball' report referenced above, LaPaz refers to several
different kinds of fireballs and attempts to distinguish the green fireball
from others of different colorand those daylight smoky contrails left by
"white lights". Many reports of these mysterious daylight 'fireballs' have
surfaced over the years and some rather spectacular photographs and videos
have been taken and documented on Tracers (see
http://tracers.8m.com/U-CC.htm )

Some of these photographs clearly show and witnesses testify that the
PC-related dark-white "combos" are responsible for at least some of the
persistent contrails filling our skies. Some interesting photos of daytime
"fireballs" reveal a rolling spherical light out in front of long persistent
contrails while others appear to show remnants of a possible explosion or
luminescent burst at one end of a trail.

One such photo was taken by Jon Burnett over Wales in the UK which was
featured on NASA's "Picture of the Day" site. (see
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/xware/wales/south_east/3172062.stm) While
still somewhat controversial, the photo does show a long persistent
contrailhorizontal flight path with a mysterious rather luminescent 'burst'
at the end of its run.

The UK trail was photographed and witnessed by yet another person from a
different direction and angle 10 miles away (Julian Heywood) and there
simply is no downward angle in its trajectoryleaving the possibility open
that this is something other than a 'normal' contrail or a meteor. NASA
certainly believed it to be something at least the size of a sofa exploding
in the lower atmosphere.

Many reports indicate that the trails of both spherical lights and
'fireballs' appear luminous both during the day and at night.and that the
evening sun reflects upon these trails in a different way than that of
aircraft contrails. In addition to this, some report these "fireball" trails
while very long and have been suspended for several minutes suddenly
disappearvanish.

Multiple sightings of a "fireball(s)" in the Tulsa Oklahoma area at about
7-7:30pm on 10/13/2000 (confirmed by FAA sources) all contained reports of a
long horizontal trail that appeared to be luminous differing greatly from
aircraft contrails in the same areas. Luminosity in trails day and night
indicate the presence of materials the fluoresce or self-illuminate (i.e.,
chemiluminescence or bioluminescence) which is a key in understanding both
the process occurring within the trails and their capacity to make sudden
'disappearances'.

Yet another report was sent in earlier that day and the evening before from
the Tulsa area which may also tell us something about the capability of the
participating objects.

At about 6:45 that morning, a witness sent in a report describing a "huge
orange fireball" that was stationary in the morning sky. This object then
suddenly disappeared leaving a short vapor trail which then too vanished. As
soon as this occurs another orange 'fireball' appears in the path and the
sequence repeats itself for several more times. The similarity to my report
of January 10, 1999 near Lewisville Lake in Texas is of interest (see:
http://tracers.8m.com/jan10.htm)

This suggests a short burst of propulsion followed by a bright illumination
of the object the trail dissipating rapidly and the object fading or
'winking out'. This pattern repeats itself suggests a particular type of
propulsion. This is reminiscent of the 'skating' pattern of the
'NightFlyers' moving across the night skies at high altitude although these
rarely show any signs of trails. (see http://tracers.8m.com/flashes.htm)

The day before at about the same time as the 'fireball' events reported on
10/13/00 a pink 'fireball' was reported above Tulsa "making small circles in
the sky" at about 1000 feet in altitude. The witness reported that as a
helicopter widely circled this object the object "broke into 2 balls that
circled and eventually burned out."

These illuminated or fireball-like objects are a far cry from the quick,
angled meteors which take a straight path across the atmosphere burning out
at 50,000 feet. One is not like the other.

Unexplained "Meteor" Trails

On November 17, 1998 at 1:31 UTC, two parallel 'fireballs' described as a
"flashes" with long luminescent trails were videographed during the Leonid
meteor showers over the southern UK. These fireball-like objects followed a
path on a straight trajectory. The unusual luminous trails remained in the
atmosphere for at least 30 minutes following this bright sky eventexhibiting
the billowing and spread of daylight persistent contrails.

Although these trails moved through the atmosphere at a 29 degree angle
similar to a meteor, scientists at the Starfire Optical Range in New Mexico
and others studying these "chemiluminescent" persistent contrails-- found it
difficult to explain some of the striking characteristics.

During their path (shown on the video) from 116km to 86km in altitude, the
brightness of the 'fireballs' varied significantly from normal meteoric
train brightness which decreases continuously with descent. The parallel
trails burned brightly to lower their intensity before flaring up once again
before fading.

The trails were described as "tubes" and were noted to have a significant
differential in brightness in opposite sides of each trailone side measured
at 50% greater brightness than the other sidean unusual finding that also
remained unexplained.

Na airglow or the normal ablating meteoric metals --could not account for
the color or characteristics of these 'fireballs' and subsequent trails. The
center of the tube was "dark" while the exterior showed extreme heat.

These persistent trails or "tubes" expanded at a constant rate of 10.5 plus
or minus 0.5 ms with the highest region of heat on the outer edges which was
100 times the heat that would be expected. No adequate explanation could be
offered for the constant rate of expansion and separation of the walls (not
due to diffusion) or the extreme amount of heat on the exterior of the
expanding contrail. (see:
http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossnet/2000/2000GL000080.shtml)

Tubular shaped expanding persistent contrails have been described by many
observers over the years of 'chemtrail' data gatheringand the 'flash' is
reminiscent of the Jon Burnett sightingthe luminescence of many daytime and
nighttime PC reports. Yet what is most interesting is the mystery of the
extreme heat differentials between the interior of the November 17th
fireball trails and the exterior walls of these tubes.

I offer a possibility that might be a plausible explanation for this heat
differential.and the amount of heat on the exterior of these trails. As I
have spoken of before in my articles, two types of objects are formed within
a trail one which I refer to as "dark objects' (although these can be
various colors) the other the larger "white objects" which appear to consist
of polymers and other fluid or gaseous substances. (The dark objects and
white objects are composed of different materials and perform different
functions).

As the trail forms, the dark objects which can heat up and produce an orange
glow and flash of light - line the outer edges of the trails.while the
larger white objects are formed within the interior of the trails. If indeed
the persistent contrails behind a fireball and luminous trail videographed
and studied on November 17 1998 was one and the same as the PCs crossing the
skies on a daily basis (simply occurring at the same time as the Leonid
showers) -then the extreme heat of the dark objects flaring up could account
for the heat in the exterior of these tubular trails. In addition --
luminous trails certainly are associated with the daylight and nighttime
'chemtrail' and PC sightings.

Cloud By Day - Fire By Night?

It is now apparent that the colored chemicals or gases contained in the
materials of the dark objects can combine with the material of the white
objects and produce light in the daylight hours. This light can be an
intense flash or a more subtle glow. (see http://tracers.8m.com/glow.htm)

Phoenix Arizona has seen much activity ranging from sightings and video of
dark/white 'combos'. See the wonderful shots taken by Jeff Willes of Phoenix
at http://tracers.8m.com/tracers.html which show the flexibility of the
materials of the white objects during 'combo' activity. Rich Giordano also
of Phoenix has taken some interesting shots of these objects.

While certainly not limited to Phoenix (photos of PCs and these related
objects have been taken over many countries all over the planet), Phoenix
has had its share of observable activity both day and night.

Jeff Willes' observation that the daylight photos that he took on the day of
the widely observed and publicized Night of the Phoenix Lights on March 13,
1997 was recognized and featured by a local Phoenix television station. (see
http://www.katmax.tv/phoenixlights.htm).

When comparing the daylight sightings/photos with those taken at night over
Phoenix, several factors certainly seem to link these sightingsother than
the fact that all objects are spherical in shape and relatively the same
size.

The night time photos taken by Dr. Lynne Kitei and Rob Kritkausky both of
Phoenix and the day photos taken by Jeff Willes and Rich Giordano Exhibit
the characteristics seen in dark/white 'combo' objects in other parts of the
U.S. and world: (see http://www.thephoenixlights.com/pages/03.html and
http://tracers.8m.com/nighglow.htm for night photos and video captures)

There is growing evidence to strongly suggest a connection between at least
some of the spheres producing various degrees of light and color at night
and the "cloudy" objects moving out of persistent contrails by day.

A remarkable photo taken during the evening hours by Mark Olson
(http://www.sonorasightings.com and http://tracers.8m.com/nighglow.htm) does
appear to show a dark/white 'combo' object beginning to glow after the sun
has set. One can readily see two dark objects on either side of a larger
white one the white object producing the low glow.

From Glow To Fireball?

A most interesting series of photographs taken at different times and
locations illustrates a possible metamorphosis of very large 'combo' objects
with multiple dark objects on the perimeter into much more than a mere glow
or light in the sky.

The first in the series was taken by Dennis Hawley (at that time Chief
Investigator for MUFON in Tampa Bay Florida) and clearly shows a large white
spherical shaped object surrounded by dark objects below several PCs or
trails. If one looks closely at the enlarged photo, one can see a reddish
glow emanating from the area where each of the dark objects 'attach' to the
larger white object. (see http://tracers.8m.com/glow.htm)

This red stream corresponds with what appears to be chemicals or gases
moving into the atmosphere from the connection of the dark and white objects
near Mt. Popo Mexico. (see http://tracers.8m.com/poposeriesII.htm).

The colors may be released by the dark object and mix with the white
material of the larger white object to produce the various colors associated
with night time glowing objects. And the release of these chemicals or gases
may also be a source of light and/or heat. The mention above in the Arkansas
Fire Mystery section of a fireball with two blue trails on either side of
the object suggests the possibility that the dark objects may provide
propulsion for the object at times.

The dark objects do flare up at times producing both heat and light with the
color associated with this process an orange-red. In addition ionization
around these 'combo' objects can produce a whitish-pink glow but apparently
is not related per se to the release of the reddish chemical or gas.

The next in the series taken over Nevada shows two separate whitish
spherical objects (here only one for illustrative purposes) which appear to
have a colorful corona of luminous light. The prominent colors in this
display are red, blue and yellow suggesting the release of these colored
chemicals/gases from the various attached dark objects (some releasing
redothers blueetc.) The light and colors are of course seen better as the
light from the sun recedes.

The last image is a cropped and enlarged object from a photograph taken by
Denise Patterson of the skies over Nevada. In this dramatic sighting and
subsequent photograph, a large persistent contrail was seen forming across
the desert on a relatively clear daythis soon followed by a large rolling
fireball-like object moving over and very near the contrail.

Upon closer examination of the photograph, one can see not only the large
fiery appearing spherical object and the long PC but several dark/white
'combo' objects and one yellowish spherical object. These 'combos' are much
smaller and in close proximity to the trail. In the cropped and enlarged
image of the fiery ball, one can see in addition to the goldish-orange glow
of the central object and multiple dark areas lining the perimeter!

These three images do suggest a possible ignition process one initiated by
the dark objects setting the entire white object "afire" the whole object
then rolling across the sky. It appears from the video taken by Anthony
Woods that the dark objects can and do release heat at times--which in turn
may 'ignite' the material of the white object(s) producing in that case an
intense flash of reddish colored light.

An amazing report came from a man in Willets, California who videotaped a
fireball event on the night of January 21, 2004 and discovered a very
interesting occurrence while freeze-framing the footage. Within split
seconds, he reports, the large fireball-like object appears to change shape
into a oblong object containing 11 small balls of light in various pastel
colors. (This is reminiscent of the variety of colors seen the Rob
Kritkautsky's video capture mentioned above). The captures from the witness'
videotape then show these 11 objects progressively combine 11 objectsto 10to
8to 4to 2 and then one large fireball-like object.

If this video is an accurate representation of at least one type of intense
fiery light in the sky it does suggest that some 'fireballs' crossing the
skies may indeed be composed of more that one object.

And considering that the larger version of the dark/white PC related objects
are composed of several dark objects (which glow orange at night) and a
large white one (as seen in the 'fireball' photo by Patterson above) it is
plausible that at lease some of the unusual and unexplained "fireball"
sightings may indeed be those most unusual large PC-related "combo" objects
moving across the night sky.in a most spectacular way.

Perhaps these objects of cloud and fire have been with us in our skies for
longer than we might imagine reaching further into earth's history than most
could conceive. Consider the following:

A sighting occurred at 9.45 pm on the evening of August 18, 1783 when four
witnesses on the terrace of Windsor Castle observed a luminous object in the
skies of the Home Counties of England. The sighting was recorded the
following year in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society.

Tiberius Cavallo, Fellow of the Royal Society, wrote in his memoirs.

"Northeast of the Terrace, in clear sky and warm weather, I saw appear
suddenly an oblong cloud nearly parallel to the horizon. Below the cloud was
seen a luminous body, brightly lit up and almost stationary... This strange
ball at first appeared bluish and faint, but its light increased, and it
soon began to move. At first, it ascended above the horizon, obliquely
toward the east. Then it changed its direction and moved parallel to the
horizon. It vanished in the southeast. I saw it for half a minute, and the
light it gave out was prodigious. It lit up every object on the face of the
country. It changed shape to oblong, acquired a tail, and seemed to split up
into two bodies of small size. About two minutes later came a rumble like an
explosion.
PaulKing - 14 Dec 2004 06:04 GMT
What has that to do with anything?

I hate that UFO nonsense. It is even more insane than 'AIDS' and that is
saying something.

Seem we are entering a new Dark Age of mumbo jumbo and myths.

"Pass me a leach".
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 14 Dec 2004 06:40 GMT
>What has that to do with anything?

If somebody had painted a spot on Paul's forehead while he was
sleeping, would he rub the spot once he saw himself in a mirror?

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PaulKing - 13 Dec 2004 23:19 GMT
I fully understand how upsetting our mass support must be to you.

Sorry.
PaulKing - 14 Dec 2004 06:09 GMT
New members of DAG and AME (MSN forums) just today - Monday.

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These are only two of hundreds of dissident groups and forums and they
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