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john - 06 Dec 2004 21:12 GMT
AIDS - Cure It  http://www.whale.to/c/shulze.html
"To cure AIDS, its a total life style change --- not a drug or a pill.
Natural healing can cure AIDS. But if you are looking for one special
anti-viral herb to solve this disease, you're as nuts as the doctors. How
stupid can these experts be (and the patients, too), to believe that a
single drug, a chemical on its lonesome, can cure a total body breakdown? We
don't need any more research money to cure AIDS. In case you are groggy or
dense and didn't get my point, I will repeat it: AIDS can be cured. Right
now. Forget the DNA research. Forget the emotional fund-raisers. They're not
necessary. It can also save those who are skin and bone and sores and
diarrhea. If you follow all this information, you can end up cured and
HIV-negative. Sympathy and understanding cannot cure AIDS. This information
will cure --- but only if you use it with all your heart and soul. If people
would live right, eat right, think right, use natural healing, and stop
taking all drugs, the AIDS epidemic would end."

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     AIDS - You Can Cure It
     Dr. Richard  Schulze

This WebPages are based on the materials contained in the Dr. Schulze Video
Tapes.   Dr. Schulze may be contacted directly at the Dr. Schulze School of
Natural Healing, PO Box 3628, Santa Monica, California, 90408.

These herbal formulae and programs were developed and used by Dr. Richard
Schulze in his now-famous clinic for almost two decades. Thousands of
patients healed themselves of every disease and illness.

Aids is curable disease  Dr. Richard Schulze

Sam Biser:

"To cure AIDS, its a total life style change --- not a drug or a pill.
Natural healing can cure AIDS. But if you are looking for one special
anti-viral herb to solve this disease, you're as nuts as the doctors. How
stupid can these experts be (and the patients, too), to believe that a
single drug, a chemical on its lonesome, can cure a total body breakdown? We
don't need any more research money to cure AIDS. In case you are groggy or
dense and didn't get my point, I will repeat it: AIDS can be cured. Right
now. Forget the DNA research. Forget the emotional fund-raisers. They're not
necessary. It can also save those who are skin and bone and sores and
diarrhea. If you follow all this information, you can end up cured and
HIV-negative. Sympathy and understanding cannot cure AIDS. This information
will cure --- but only if you use it with all your heart and soul. If people
would live right, eat right, think right, use natural healing, and stop
taking all drugs, the AIDS epidemic would end."

Dr. SCHULZE:

"Referring back to that AIDS case we discussed on the videotapes, he was in
the hospital. He had a T-cell count of 1 or 2--- and had about a week to
live. He was one of my most dramatic recoveries with AIDS, and the reason I
say that is that he was the most far gone. He was in the absolute, end
stage -- they have that wing in the hospital where they have given up on
you. You can smoke pot and do anything you want. They had given up on him.
He was the sickest. He was just skin wrapped around bones. I've had people
with Karposi's sarcoma, and I've had people with pneumocystic lung fibrosis,
but he was one of the only ones I had that had both lungs diseased
full-blown, advanced. BISER: He had red blotches all over his skin."

SCHULZE: "All over his body. Most people --- usually it's more prevalent on
the feet."

BISER: "But he had them all over?"

SCHULZE: He had them on his head, his face, his arm, his chest.

BISER: Don't you ever get scared that you, yourself could get something from
them?

SCHULZE: Again, not that I am perfect, but it's another great motivation to
take care o) myself and eat right and live a fairly clean life. But I also
feel --- I've always felt pretty impervious to this stuff. You know how it
is being an Aries.

BISER: Oh, you feel rugged

SCHULZE: I'm headstrong. I feel tough. I don't believe a lot in the germ
theory of disease. In other words, if you do get this sick, you've got to
set up an environment for it. I take very good care of myself. I also know
that orthodox medical beliefs about AIDS are wrong. 'A few years ago, I put
a lot of energy out that I wanted to work with people with full-blown AIDS."

BISER: You put the word out?

SCHULZE: Yeah. This was mid-80's --- 1985, maybe. I wanted to let people
know that natural healing had no boundaries. AIDS certainly wasn't a
boundary, just because it was the new thing. I think I said that somewhere,
and it was on an audio tape, and this man heard the tape. So, I went to
visit him, even though he only had one week to live. It was like, "Wow" I
thought to myself, "Maybe I got into more than I can chew here." He was bad.
But he really believed, even in his horrible state. He believed he could be
well. "The only reason the doctor is saying this terminal AIDS patient can't
leave the hospital is because he's making $1,000 a day off this guy. It's
just a money thing."

BISER: What did you do immediately so that he wouldn't die in one week?

SCHULZE: Got him out of the hospital. This is the hard thing because to lot
of people that I see, the doctors say 'If you leave, you'll die." Well, if
you stay there, you're going to die, so get out of there. Nothing can really
be done in a hospital environment. They are feeding you lime Jello. They
have IV's with sugar in your arm. So, I said to his boy friend, "They say
he's dead. He doesn't want to be here." Everybody is so alien to this
thought of dying at home. For Americans, it's so unusual. I said, "Let's get
him the hell out of here." I said, "Just getting him home would stimulate
his immune system." And so his boyfriend agreed. I had to get an ambulance
service to pull this off, because the doctor sits there saying, "No, I don't
want to release him."

BISER: So, you got the release.

SCHULZE: Yeah. You didn't even have to get a release. Anybody in this
country has the right to pull the plug and walk the hell out of a hospital.
I called an ambulance service with some big sumo wrestler-type guys, and
they just came and had an argument with the doctor myself. I said He wants
to go home and that's where he's going. So, we got him home and went the
whole route. They had to get a juicer; they didn't have a juicer. We got a
juicer on the way home. This guy really became a juice fanatic. Some people
do. They drink it, and they feel it, they love it. And I then we did a lot,
obviously

BISER: By the middle of the next day he was heavy into it?

SCHULZE: Not even the middle of the next day. We got him out right then. It
wasn't even the next day We got him out right away He was out of there. They
picked up the juicer. I went over to their place that night, got them going
the juicer --- the whole program. 'juice-fasting is like a blood transfusion
for sick patients who are wasting away to death."

BISER: Did he start the herbs that day too?

SCHULZE: The first is juice-fasting. That's what I start out heavy with. And
then, over the next couple of days, we started into heavy doses of
immune-boosting herbs the echinacea. He was doing about 10 dropperfuls a day
of echinacea tincture, but also echinacea root tea.

BISER: How much echinacea root tea?

SCHULZE: I'd say about 4 to 6 cups a day, whatever we could keep down him.
You can't get a lot in.

BISER: You knew you might only have a week to make a turnaround

SCHULZE: Absolutely. When people are this thin, they tend to not be able to
take much in their stomach That's where the tinctures come in really nice,
because you don't have to consume a large volume. We had him on the teas, we
had him on the detoxes, liver flushes, bowel-cleansing. We were doing a lot
of enemas because his bowel wasn't working at all. I also did heavy
bowel-cleansing to stop the constipation and diarrhea. There wasn't much
coming out. There was very dark, hard material, you know just like chunks of
debris. They had him on some pain stuff, and that stopped his bowels. One
thing that was important with him was the juices really boosted him up.

BISER: What kind of juices?

SCHULZE: One of my favorites, and we used this with him, is carrot, beetroot
and beet leaf.

BISER: A mixture of those three?

SCHULZE: Like 50% carrot and 25% beet root and 25% beet leaf. I remember his
blood count was very low We got his blood count normalized in 3 days. Not
his T-cells, but his red blood cells. His hemoglobin count was very low

BISER: What did his boyfriend think when, in three days, his blood count was
going to normal?

SCHULZE: He was just thrilled. His hemoglobin count had been down very low
at the bottom of the level. He had been white and pasty and weak. The blood
count was so low you could almost see through him. In three days, his blood
count was almost over the top. And his coloor was back, and he had lots of
energy I got the two of them some books on juices, and their juicer was
running all the time. Most of the cancer, the Karposi's sarcoma, is just
blotchy but there were some areas where he had some horrible skin; and there
was even some elimination coming out of it. So, we did a lot of drawing
stuff on that to clear him out.

BISER: Poke root poultices

SCHULZE: Yes, and a lot of skin-brushing. Whenever people have cancer, I
always use that same black drawing poultice with the clay, the charcoal,
poke root, garlic, goldenseal and just try to disinfect -- burn a little and
get it out. Then we started working with the lungs because he had 50) many
things going on. But this guy became an absolute raging fanatic --- you
almost know it when people are going to get well. They just get so positive.
And this guy really got into it. He was buying more books on it. And then I
had him getting up out of bed, probably in a week, and doing the juicing
himself. That's important too.

BISER: Within the week, he was not dead?

SCHULZE: Within a week, he was up, standing in the kitchen, holding on to
the counter a little bit, wheezing and juicing. We went through a lot of
blood-building juices. He got into mushrooms a lot, you know,
immune-stimulating mushrooms and fungi. He had some pretty bad thrush too,
and we dealt with that. His mouth hurt a lot. In fact, the juices were quite
painful to drink because his mouth was so full o)f sores.

BISER: Did you ever do what Dr Christopher did for the mouth oak bark?

SCHULZE: You can, and that works really nice. But the tea tree oil works
even better, and it soothes and heals thrush in a 2-10% solution. One o)f
the best brands is called Thursday Plantation. It's in all the health food
stores. It's excellent. Another source is from Frontier Herbs. (These are
listed in our Appendix on Sources.

BISER: How much did he take and in what form?

SCHULZE: We made a gargle out of it. They didn't have any products back
then, so we just made a gargle out of tea tree oil, and a mouthwash, and
rinsed his mouth with it. It really destroys the fungus andi also reduces
the inflammation. But the oak bark works really nice, too. In fact, I
usually ---for people like that, I make some kind of tooth powder, and I
know I did for him. And it would have contained oak bark. "He was cured in
eight months, but relapsed slightly almost two years later when he went off
his programs."

BISER: Asyon told me, eight months later he walks znto your office a cured
man?

SCHULZE: Abso)lutely When he go)t stro~ng, it was like the stuff jumped o~ut
o~f his bo~dy. And, o)f co~urse ---- we think o)f AIDS as a disease, but it
really isn't. It's just the combinatio~n of diseases that happens when y(~ur
immune system gets depressed. You build up your immune system and.. oh, and
this guy ended up no)t even testing HIV positive. I almost forgot that. It's
supposed to be impossible, but then, in the last 5 years, I've heard of
hundreds of cases like that. In other words, he got so well they couldn't
even find the antibody for HIV in him. And that's how you know that a lot of
the information out there is garbage. For example, 5% of AIDS cases today
don't test HIV-positive. His lung fibrosis went away, but there was always
some scar tissue in there. His lungs were never 100%, but they could have
been if he had done more work in that direction. But I do remember that a
couple of years after, he had a slip, and this is quite common. And his
T-cell count started going down. He had a relapse and, o)f course, he had
gone off his program. He got back onto a program, and everything went back
to healthy I had a woman patient who had breast cancer with a malignant
tumor, golf-ball size. Got rid of it through natural healing, and she had a
lump come back in her breast about 10 times probably every year. When I call
her, and she goes back on her program, it goes away. So, it's very common
that people, once they feel...

BISER: They celebrate "There is life after the incurables program, and it's
not back to the life-style that got you in trouble."

SCHULZE: Absolutely I'm not saying that they can't have a Saturday night 5
times a year or something. I'm just saying that isn't what they do). The
programs just start lessening and lessening, and the next thing you know,
they have slipped back into their old ways. He had a few minor relapses
again, which I almost see with every patient. It's almost like you could
count on this.

BISER: Now the relapses are not inevitable. They're caused by going back on
junk?

SCHULZE: Yeah. And everybody seems to have it at some point. You know what
happens is, obviously you get to a point where you go, "Well gosh, if I've
got to stay on this program, maybe I don't want to) live." It's someone's
birthday so I'll have a little bit d)f this cheesecake and a little piece of
chicken. And, you know there's no big deal about that. But then it happens
again the next week, and the week after, and then it's two-days-a-week and
then it's three-days-a-week. Over a year or two, a person's diet has gotten
very sloppy And usually it happens the second year, and then I get the call,
"My disease wasn't gone, it's back." People have to realize you need to
adopt a new healthy life-style for the rest of your life. This is not a
program to be chucked when you get well. If we bombard our bodies with so
much crap, something is going to go wrong with us. In immunology you learn
that the primary function of the human body is to survive. That's what it is
constantly doing. But you have to give it the natural methods that it needs.
Red clover for the skin cancers of AIDS.

SCHULZE: I had an older AIDS patient, a man in his late 40's with no problem
with his lungs. He wasn't a smoker either. He did have the Karposi's
sarcoma, but only on his feet and ankles. But that's usually where it
starts. He had a T-cell count down there. We're looking at, I think at one
point it was 100, which isn't uncommon with AIDS patients. And, of course,
once his T-cell count hit 100, that's when he started having the Karposi's
sarcoma. The red blotches came out about grape-size all over the bottom of
his feet on his ankles. He might have had one or two on his arms, but
primarily on his feet. He was a writer - wrote novels and some poetry. He
was pretty much ready to give up. All these people who come to see me just
want to know if they can get their digestion better, because they are having
diarrhea and this and that. After I overwhelm them for two hours in my
office, they believe they have a chance. But none of them ever have an idea
of really beating it. I would love to get some people with AIDS who really
want to beat the disease.

BISER: But that is not what they want from you?

SCHULZE: No, they just want to feel comfortable; because everybody has told
them, including all o)f their friends, that they are dead.

SCHULZE: They were not trying, but he was. I thought that he was a pretty
healthy guy He wasn't one o)f these wasted-away ones

BISER: So you helped this guy right?

SCHULZE: Yea, but he did have the Karposi's sarcoma cancer which is
considered a malignant cancer. He had some meat on his bones. He was also in
a monogamous relationship. I'm not so sure if he contracted AIDS because of
his homosexual activity on the sidle, o)r maybe he did some intravenous
drugs. I wasn't so sure about how; maybe an occasional weekend in a bath
ho)use --- but he did something that dropped his immune system.

BISER: Did this guy get rid of this Karposi's sarcoma?

SCHULZE: Absolutely A complete turnaround. I'm going to say it was about
eight months before he didn't have a blotch on his body And, of course, we
also) treated that externally. We did a few kind of odd things with him. Red
clover. I'm a big fan of red clover, topically, when you are talking about
skin cancers.

BISER: Red clover what? Like a paste?

SCHULZE: You can make it into a paste in a blender with the poke root you
can take the red clover blossoms, just fresh or dried, and put them right in
your blender with anything else you'd want to put on it. Also, I'm sure it
would have been slippery elm, a little bit of garlic; because I didn't want
to burn his skin, but I wanted some garlic in there, and apple cider
vinegar, charcoal and bloodroot.

BISER: Not even poke root?

SCHULZE: Oh yes, poke root. And poke root, if it's fresh, will burn through
the skin similar to garlic. Dried poke root won't do that. It's a lot less
volatile. I didn't want to burn this off, because it's just like purple
bruises. It's not like there is something there like a wart. But I wanted
some garlic and I used dried poke root. The red clover is so brilliant for
skin cancers.

BISER: You mean sometimes you will use it by itself?

SCHULZE: Oh yea, in Dr. Christopher's book, School of Natural Healing, there
are cancer plasters.

BISER: What does plaster mean, just a concentrate?

SCHULZE: Yea, I think he talks about simmering down red clover blossom heads
similar to the hawthorn berry tonic. We end up with a syrup of red clover
and you spread that on the skin. Nowadays, what we might do instead are cold
extracts like tinctures where you are concentrating by extracting. But what
I usually do rather have someone use something over a long period of time.
So, you can just take fresh red clover heads, put them in a blender, add a
little bit of vinegar, a little bit of slippery elm or if you want to draw,
use clay And just a little bit of garlic, like a clove of garlic. I know I
am not giving you a total recipe here, but it's one of those things...

BISER: Yea, I know, you mix it up on the fly

SCHULZE: You blend that up, and you have yourself a paste, and it's like a
reddish-brown because of the red clover. It adheres right to the skin
because you put the slippery elm in there to hold it together. We would pack
his feet in that at night, and just get it right over that cancer. Although
cancer is systemic, when you have cancer that you can see on the body, why
not treat it right on top? We packed his feet in that at night. He did the
whole incurables routine. He got better, he got stronger, his T-cell count
kept going up and up. One thing that people need to know here, too, is: T-
cell counts don't go from 150 to 1500 on a steady line. I mean, sometimes he
tested, and it would be like 275 and the next time 230. He'd get depressed,
and I'd have to tell these people. "Come on, this is ridiculous. You're
heading uphill." There are bumps. It's like a jagged line, but your
direction overall is uphill. I have to remind a lot of people with
degenerative disease of that one. I have to kick their butts. He'd have like
a (~ne or two degree slip in his T-cell and he thought that was meaningful
or he was getting worse or whatever. His T-cell count started going up and
up. He wanted to give up on his feet, because they weren't changing that
much. But then sure enough, slowly he got better and better. His T-cell
count kind of normalized at about 1200, which isn't necessarily optimum. He
didn't know what his was before he got sick, anyway. That could have been
normal for him. I feel that anybody who gets AIDS unless they have had a
horrendous life-style, probably has a weak immune-type body. Immune types
will walk out in public, someone will sneeze and they are HIV-positive. I
really believe that. They are susceptible to everything. Because their
weakness is in their immune system, in their lymphatic system. All cancer
blotches went away and they said it's gone into remission. He was as cured
as long as he follows the program. "These methods have saved people who
looked like they could have been a dead corpse in a wheelbarrow at a
concentration camp."

BISER: have you had many people who were skin and bones?

SCHULZE: Absolutely I think probably half my patients have been skin and
bones types. They took off their shirts to show me a spot, and it was like,
"Put your shirt back on." They had depressions between the ribs. You could
put your fingers in the ruts between the ribs.

BISER: Tcell counts of what?

SCHULZE: My lowest, I think I told you was 2 and 1; it fluctuated. They said
they saw a court o 1. I've had numerous cases down in the 25-30 range. And
I've had them where they looked like... have you ever seen the pictures
right after the Americans went into the concentration camps, where they
would pick up the dead bodies? They put them in wheelbarrows. Well, a lot of
my patients looked like they put A' vacuum inside them and it sucked
everything in.

BISER: And you pulled them out of that?

SCHULZE: Absolutely. One problem is that they are not assimilating. They are
so ill. How do you cope with their problems? The first thing is a juicer.
They have got to get a juicer.

BISER: And they are not doing that already when they come to you?

SCHULZE: Oh, God no.

BISER: You mean, all this holistic information is floating around the
underground and they are not doing that?

SCHULZE: I know it's shocking. It really is. Our rules at the clinic have
always been, if you are called an incurable and if you don't buy a juicer,
we won't even see you again. I won't work with them, period. That is one of
our basic criteria. You look at a person like these Jews from the
concentration camps. You think, "Well, if I tell them to eat fatty foods, it
will fatten them up." But they can't assimilate it. The only thing they are
going to assimilate is the most basic food and that's juices and herbal
drinks.

BISER: Have you seen some of those skin and bones come back all the way?

SCHULZE: Absolutely But these people usually have diarrhea.

BISER: How do you stop the diarrhea?

SCHULZE: Getting healthy. Sometimes we use the intestinal formula number two
to solidify it just to make them feel a little bit better, and to soothe and
detoxify the bowel. Basically getting their immune system working again will
fix the diarrhea. A lot of people think, "I don't want to drink juices; I
have diarrhea, and I need fat in my diet." They are eating hamburgers o~r
something. What we have to tell them is, "Look, you are not assimilating
anything."

BISER: You can eat it, but you can't assimilate it!

SCHULZE: But you will assimilate these juices. Boy, do they brighten up on
the juices. And then, once they are clean, and they do some bowel cleansing
or whatever, they start assimilating, and then you get them on high-fat
foods like avocados, sesame tahini, nut butters, whole grain bread, and
olive oil.

BISER: But that's a long way off

SCHULZE: Yea, it is. The juices come first. The cold sheet treatment must be
done by AIDS victims.

SCHULZE: All AIDS victims need this hydrotherapy. It is mandatory not
optional. My wife, who was not ill, still claims that it was the turning
point in her life because she had volunteered in class to do it. The
treatment was metamorphosis for her. It was like coming out of the cocoon
for her physically But it does a lot more than that. Everybody today has
some psychological problems, maybe from their childhood, and the cold sheet
treatment can release these. Emotional healing is part of the program,
especially for people with AIDS. We need t do anything to liberate the
immune system. So, don't underestimate what goes on during this cold sheet
treatment. It's physical, emotional, spiritual, psychic, and It's powerful.
'A common denominator of AIDS is they hate their lives."

SCHULZE: The common denominator I found in most people with AIDS, now, I'm
not talking about the rare case of the hemophiliac they're at a blood risk
is that they hated themselves. They hated their lives. They thought because
they were homosexual, they were going to hell and burn for eternity I mean,
you can imagine what went on in their minds. They were immune risks. I had
on file patient ---- a man who used to go to the bath houses and have oral
sex with 12-15 men in a night--- swallow a pint of semen. Let me put it this
way: I have never ever seen anybody get AIDS who didn't tell me a story of
their past that didn't make me just about want to vomit. Okay? I thought I
was a pretty hip dude. I mean, I'm from the Woodstock generation. I thought
I'd been around a little bit, and when these people come.. well, it's just
too much. Most people who get AIDS have the worst life styles. They stay up
all night long, they use massive amounts of drugs. You know, when you have
multiple sexual partners, it's an immune risk because, you know, when you
have sex with someone, whatever that someone is, you're sharing bodily
fluids, and our immune system has to eat that. And so, if you're having 12
different partners in a night, your immune system's blowing out. And I you
know what the bottom line is, healthy people don't get AIDS. They get sick,
but they don't get AIDS.
Death - 06 Dec 2004 23:09 GMT
"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
> AIDS - Cure It
> "To cure AIDS, its a total life style change ---

Indeed. If faggots quit buttfucking each other
aids would end in one generation.
GMCarter - 07 Dec 2004 09:40 GMT
>"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
>> AIDS - Cure It
>> "To cure AIDS, its a total life style change ---
>
>Indeed. If faggots quit buttfucking each other
> aids would end in one generation.

Gosh, is that what you meant by the  "wrong hole" and then waffled
away denying it? LOL. You're a f.cking bigot, dear.

As explained previously, and unsurprisingly it didn't penetrate your
pea brain, HIV doesn't care about sexual orientation. Men and women
and men and men have anal sex. HIV is transmitted through vaginal sex.
The INSERTIVE partner can acquire HIV.

But then, a conflicted bigot like you is probably just another wannabe
cocksucker.

        George M. Carter

**
Adams HE; Wright LW Jr; Lohr BA. Is homophobia associated with
homosexual arousal? J Abnorm Psychol 1996 Aug;105(3):440-445.

Department of Psychology, University of Georgia, Athens 30602-3013,
USA.

The authors investigated the role of homosexual arousal in exclusively
heterosexual men who admitted negative affect toward homosexual
individuals. Participants consisted of a group of homophobic men (n =
35) and a group of nonhomophobic men (n = 29); they were assigned to
groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W.
Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980). The men were exposed to sexually
explicit erotic stimuli consisting of heterosexual, male homosexual,
and lesbian videotapes, and changes in penile circumference were
monitored. They also completed an Aggression Questionnaire (A. H. Buss
& M. Perry, 1992). Both groups exhibited increases in penile
circumference to the heterosexual and female homosexual videos. Only
the homophobic men showed an increase in penile erection to male
homosexual stimuli. The groups did not differ in aggression.
Homophobia is apparently associated with homosexual arousal that the
homophobic individual is either unaware of or denies.
john - 07 Dec 2004 17:18 GMT
> As explained previously, and unsurprisingly it didn't penetrate your
> pea brain, HIV doesn't care about sexual orientation. Men and women
> and men and men have anal sex. HIV is transmitted through vaginal sex.
> The INSERTIVE partner can acquire HIV.

LOL.  You HIV PHARMa shills!  Who cares about HIV
Brian Mailman - 07 Dec 2004 19:08 GMT
>>"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
>>> AIDS - Cure It
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> As explained previously, and unsurprisingly it didn't penetrate your
> pea brain,

heeheehee.  You said "penetrate."

B/
Death - 09 Dec 2004 03:07 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote in message

> >Indeed. If faggots quit buttfucking each other
> > aids would end in one generation.

HIV is transmitted through vaginal sex.

So, are you saying you think of your a.shole as a womans pussy ?
GMCarter - 09 Dec 2004 11:54 GMT
snip...
>So, are you saying you think of your a.shole as a womans pussy ?

LOL. Nah. I'm just saying you're a wannabe cocksucker, not to mention
just another common a.shole.

        George M. Carter
Death - 09 Dec 2004 16:45 GMT
> snip...
> >So, are you saying you think of your a.shole as a womans pussy ?
>
> LOL. Nah. I'm just saying you're a wannabe cocksucker, not to mention
> just another common a.shole.

Keep saying it, it may help you sleep.

Did you get aids from a woman or a faggot ?
Freddy Krueger - 10 Dec 2004 06:03 GMT
"GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote...

>>"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
>>> AIDS - Cure It
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> But then, a conflicted bigot like you is probably just another wannabe
> cocksucker.

I debate with Death on alt.flame.f.cking.faggots and he is indeed a bigot,
but I do respect his viewpoint on occasion.  You are correct in that men
and women, homosexual and heterosexual, anal or vaginal, passive or
receptive, CAN contract HIV, but you conveniently omit the probability
for each subgroup.  Someone posted a French study recently which showed
the probability of HIV transmission for the various types of sexual
intercourse, and while I forget the exact numbers I do remember that the
figure for anal-receptive was MUCH higher than that for vaginal-receptive.
It is possible for the penis inserter to contract HIV from a receptive
partner of either type, but not very likely compared to the other way
around.  While GMCarter is very informed, he often seems to twist
data to suit an ideological agenda - in this case he wants to convince
you that HIV is equally prevalent and transmissable among all sexual
groups, and this is not the case in real life.

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"There is no truth.  You just pick the lie you like best.  As long as
you know everything's a lie, you can't hurt yourself."
-- Marilyn Manson
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Death - 10 Dec 2004 19:08 GMT
"Freddy Krueger" <fkrueger@nightmare.net> wrote in message

> "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote...

> >>"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message
> >>> AIDS - Cure It
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> receptive, CAN contract HIV, but you conveniently omit the probability
> for each subgroup.

The group him and others ignore totally is the monogamous heterosexual
white couple who does not inject drugs.

This is the group I defend, if that makes me a bigot, so be it.
I see apologist who omit this group and defend the at risk
groups that has spread aids to millions.

Well, lets see, what are those groups ?
Correct, faggots, niggers on the down low, crack whores
that f.ck niggers and faggots and IV drug trash.

Ah, I see, it isn't the doers who are at fault, it is the ones
who remind you that behavior spreads aids, us bigots, LOL.
GMCarter - 11 Dec 2004 10:56 GMT
snip
>The group him and others ignore totally is the monogamous heterosexual
> white couple who does not inject drugs.

Nobody ignores them. There's a few of that group around.

>This is the group I defend,

from what?

>if that makes me a bigot, so be it.

No, that makes you an idiot for offering a "defense" where none is
needed. If by defense, then, you cast aspersions on any other group,
then you are a bigot.

>I see apologist who omit this group and defend the at risk
>groups that has spread aids to millions.

Nobody has said they should be neglected. But if, whatever
ethnicity--that is irrelevant--two people are totally monogamous,
don't shoot drugs and neither is HIV+ then they have little to worry
about in terms of becoming infected.

The most problematic bit is the "monogamous." Many people do not
remain that way permanently.

>Well, lets see, what are those groups ?
>Correct, faggots, niggers on the down low, crack whores
>that f.ck niggers and faggots and IV drug trash.

LOL. There ya go! You're a f.cking bigot.

>Ah, I see, it isn't the doers who are at fault, it is the ones
>who remind you that behavior spreads aids, us bigots, LOL.

Nope. Being black, a sex worker or gay does not spread HIV. So you're
information is incorrect, one of the reasons that makes your bigotry
so pathetic.

Having unprotected sex will spread HIV. SHARING a syringe may spread
HIV.  Use of tainted blood products spread HIV very rapidly through
the community of people with hemophilia.

It doesn't matter what the ethnicity of the participants is. It
doesn't even matter if the participant is a f.cking moronic bigot like
you, diablo. Or an a.shole like "Paul King."

        George M. Carter
Gary Stein - 14 Dec 2004 21:42 GMT
> "GMCarter" <fiar@verizon.net> wrote...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> you that HIV is equally prevalent and transmissable among all sexual
> groups, and this is not the case in real life.

One of the things that make all such studies as you describe above so
problematical is that the infectivity of the positive partner is never
measured thus there is no way to know if you are really comparing apples to
apples.

During the stage of HIV infection named Acute which occurs shortly after a
person is first infected with HIV. And presents as follows, the viral load
of the patient spikes to very high levels (levels this high are not seen
again until late in the patients progression into AIDS) because the body has
not yet launched it first major immune response to HIV infection. This
period of Acute infection lasts for varying lengths of time depending on the
patients bodies immune response but for discussions sake lets use one month
for it's duration. After that the viral load goes down significantly and
enters what early researchers called the dormant stage of HIV infection that
can last any where from 1 to 20 years again depending on individual patients
immune responses to HIV. During this stage HIV is not dormant but does
present with significantly lower viral loads then the acute stage.

For those who might not know what is meant by viral load this is a term of
HIV science that refers to the amount of HIV virus found in a particular
sample most commonly a blood sample. However not limited to blood samples,
semen has viral load, saliva has viral load and vaginal excretions have
viral loads.

The viral load test most commonly referred to is the one done for HIV
infected patients undergoing Anti-viral treatment commonly referred to as
ARV or HAART. Someone whose treatment is successful will have what is called
an undetectable viral load. This does not mean that the patient has been
cured of HIV it simple means that the number of viruses in the patients
blood has been reduced to an extent that it is to small for the current
state of the science to quantify. This is indicated on the laboratory report
that the patient gets as being <50 parts per million on the ultra-sensitive
PCR tests.

Someone in the acute stage of HIV infection would have a viral load in the
range of 100's of thousands of parts per million to millions of ppm. Some
studies indicate that the viral load of sperm during the Acute infection
stage is even higher then that of the patients blood but even if it's the
same you can see why infectivity is so much higher. It's really simple math
if you look at it that way. The higher the volume of HIV virus in a patient
during Acute infection means that someone who has unprotected sex with that
person is exposed to vastly larger amounts of infectious agent thus greatly
increasing there likely hood of becoming infected during that sexual
encounter.

My point is that many HIV researchers have theorized that vastly more
infections occur during the positive partners period of Acute infection then
at any other stage of HIV infection. No study that I am aware of has every
been able to come up with an ethical way to study this thus any study
proclaiming to quantify the various levels of risks of HIV infection
according to the type of sex act that the subject participates in must all
be taken with a very large grain of salt.

The highest growing segment of new HIV infections in the US is among women
of color and coincidently the largest number of undiagnosed HIV cases are
thought to be among men of color this would add credence to the theory that
it is more a function of the stage of HIV infection of the positive partner
then it is what type of sex is being undertaken that controls the chances of
becoming infected with HIV during any particular sex act.

Any type of sexual act with some one in the Acute stage of HIV infection
produces an extremely higher chance of infection then that same sexual act
with some one in the so called dormant stage or as some researchers
postulate with some one undergoing HAART treatment who's viral load is at or
near undetectable levels. Do not get me wrong even someone on ARV with an
undetectable viral load still represents an unacceptable risk of HIV
infection no matter how much different that risk is compared to the same act
with some one in the Acute stage of HIV infection.

So my theory goes like this, gay men who are engaging in significant amounts
of unprotected sex are likely to encounter all three types of HIV carriers
(Acute Stage, dormant or controlled, late stage AIDS) but the majority of
them (due to the maturity of HIV in the Gay community) are much more likely
to not be in the Acute stage of HIV infection or in late stage AIDS
untreated. So even though they may or may not be having more unprotected sex
then the society at large the number of new HIV infections has stabilized in
the gay population according to the data for the last decade.

But in the population of women of color who are the fastest growing segment
of new US HIV infections there chance of encountering an HIV positive
partner who is in the Acute stage of HIV infection is much higher due to the
social and cultural barriers to male HIV testing and to reveling ones HIV
status if the patient is male in those communities.

Women of color are much more likely to be tested for HIV then men of Color
due to mandatory testing of pregnant women and major cultural differences
regarding their opinions about testing and most significantly the fact that
less stigma is attached to a positive women of color then to a positive man
of color.

One other point I want to make, recently there has been much discussion
about the so called culture of African American men's "down low" behavior.
This in my opinion is just another racist attempt by the white culture to
demonize black men. So called 'down low' behavior has been an integral part
of all aspects of the gay and bisexual community in the United States since
it's inception as a nation and is in no way confined to African American
community.

Hell pre Stonewall 90% or more of gay and bisexual men of all races were on
the 'down low' and to this day there are still highly significant numbers of
gay and bisexual white men and other races who are not out and who only
engage in so called 'down low' behaviors.

The reason HIV is a problem in the Latin and African American communities
has nothing to do with 'down low' behavior and everything to due with how
those cultures define manhood, stigmatize homosexuals and bisexuals,
discriminate against HIV patients, ignore the massive problem of HIV
infections that happen during incarceration (a huge majority of US prison
populations are men of color), the lack of mainstream HIV/AIDS organizations
addressing the unique needs of the Black and Latino culture and communities,
and the similar and compounding effect racism and homophobia have on
individuals of color self esteem / self worth / and identity, which creates
multiple serious mental health problems  which contribute to an individuals
likelihood to participate in unsafe sexual activities, devalue human life,
suffer from depression, or exhibit self destructive behavior such as drug
and alcohol addiction.

Gary Stein
Freddy Krueger - 10 Dec 2004 05:54 GMT
"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote...
> AIDS - Cure It  http://www.whale.to/c/shulze.html
> "To cure AIDS, its a total life style change --- not a drug or a pill.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> would live right, eat right, think right, use natural healing, and stop
> taking all drugs, the AIDS epidemic would end."

"Natural" healing?!?  Of course, Dr. Buttfuck is so magnaminous that he
offers his all-natural AIDS cure free to the world.  It is simply
inconceivable that he might offer his all-natural therapy in the form
of a $500 videotape that tells people to eat a balanced diet, take
multivitamins, as well as certain "proprietary" blend herbal
supplements which he just happens to sell for $100 a bottle.  Naturally,
his cure for AIDS is so effective that he's applied for and received
FDA approval.

Why do you a.sholes keep flooding this newsgroup with your quack
remedies?  HIV/AIDS is a very serious, terrible, and totally
INCURABLE disease.  While many can see through your scams, many
others stupid enough to contract an easily preventable disease might
actually fall for your crap.  Aside from committing fraud, you
also encourage these people to abandon their effective standard
medical therapies in favor of your snake oil, PLUS you lead them
to believe they are "cured" after ingesting your magic herbal
pills, thus they might think they can once again engage in
unprotected sex and infect gawd knows how many thousands.
john - 10 Dec 2004 19:59 GMT
"Freddy Krueger" <fkrueger@nightmare.net> wrote in message news:GSaud.737

> Why do you a.sholes keep flooding this newsgroup with your quack
> remedies?  HIV/AIDS is a very serious, terrible, and totally
> INCURABLE disease.

Sorry to spoil your covert death urge, but there are plenty of folks who
don't want to die with you morons, and we do need to point out who they are
consorting with.  So nice of you to keep the pHARMa shareholders happy,
along with the AIDS industry.  Ignorance like yours is priceless to them.
Your name rather sums up the mentality, do keep quite while you commit
suicide, theres a good chap
Death - 10 Dec 2004 22:42 GMT
"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message

> "Freddy Krueger" <fkrueger@nightmare.net> wrote in message
> >
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> Your name rather sums up the mentality, do keep quite while you commit
> suicide, theres a good chap

John I'd like to ask, how many people do you know that
had hiv/aids and is now cured ?

Not living with, cured, that took zero medications.
I can give you a rough estimate of how many
have died because there is no cure. Millions.

I can give you a rough estimate how many died that took (zero) medications.
Millions.

I can give you a rough estimate how many people are living with hiv/aids
due to the medications they are taking. Too many.

See, you and I have the same goal, we just go about it differently.
Freddy Krueger - 11 Dec 2004 09:07 GMT
"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote...
> "Freddy Krueger" <fkrueger@nightmare.net> wrote...
>> Why do you a.sholes keep flooding this newsgroup with your quack
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Your name rather sums up the mentality, do keep quite while you commit
> suicide, theres a good chap

I'm not shilling for the pharmaceutical companies, in fact I am just
disgusted with the way they overcharge Americans for drugs they
happily sell in foreign countries for 1/4 the price.  Yes they profit
obscenely off their drugs, but that is their right and profit spurs
technological progress (e.g. no significant drugs ever came out of
Soviet pharmaceutical research).

Sorry if you disagree, but I stand by my statement that HIV is totally
incurable, and this idea is held by most scientists.  HIV simply
infects too many types of cells - even when the cell might not express
the virus the viral DNA still remains in the cell's nucleus, and it
may express at some future date or the DNA snippet might combine with
other cells that are conducive to viral expression.  In other words,
even if you eliminated 100% of the virus from the body, its DNA still
lies dormant in certain types of cells and can activate at any time
in the future.  Thus one is never "cured," the virus can easily re-
infect even if 100% of the active HIV viral particles were destroyed
by some miracle drug.
john - 12 Dec 2004 17:25 GMT
drugs don't cure diseases (apart from bacterial), its a hoax.  You could try
educating yourself http://www.whale.to/w/nat.html

> "john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote...
> > "Freddy Krueger" <fkrueger@nightmare.net> wrote...
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> infect even if 100% of the active HIV viral particles were destroyed
> by some miracle drug.
GMCarter - 13 Dec 2004 00:24 GMT
>drugs don't cure diseases (apart from bacterial), its a hoax.  You could try
>educating yourself http://www.whale.to/w/nat.html

Kook land. Drugs DO cure some diseases, as in eradicating the
pathogen. Drugs may result in remission of disease or allow immune
responses to finish off an infection. Drugs can cure cancers--or cause
some remission. Drugs can have lethal or unpleasant side effects.

Drugs can be overhyped bullshit, no question.

But such moronic statements are beyond the pale stupid.

        George M. Carter
john - 13 Dec 2004 07:51 GMT
> But such moronic statements are beyond the pale stupid.

only to pharma shills, anyone with half a brain can see drugs don't work,
they "cure" 50-80% of some childhood cancers but that is only 5 year cancer
free, I'd like to see the 10 year stats, and the cancers down the line
caused by chemo, and you have to live in fear it will come back again, quite
apart from the pain of using chemo on kids--some want to die

You can see the game here http://www.whale.to/c/moss.html

While hundreds of thousands are killed prematurely every year by cancer
chemo, a bit like your aids racket George.

So that is your chemo "cure" for cancer, wow.  While they suppressed dozens
of non-toxic cures and the cause http://www.whale.to/a/cancer_c.html

So carry on talking out of your phama butt George killer Carter
Death - 13 Dec 2004 16:43 GMT
"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote in message

> only to pharma shills, anyone with half a brain can see drugs don't work,
> they "cure" 50-80% of some childhood cancers but that is only 5 year cancer
> free,

well there is a good argument to stop taking drugs, LOL
Michael Myers - 13 Dec 2004 07:10 GMT
"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote...
> drugs don't cure diseases (apart from bacterial), its a hoax.  You could try
> educating yourself http://www.whale.to/w/nat.html

(This is Freddy Krueger under a new alias...)

You say drugs don't cure diseases, presumably you mean viral illnesses.  I
never said they did, in fact I said that HIV appeared to be incurable.  I'm
not sure if a single viral disease has ever been "cured" with drugs, after
all anti-viral drug research only began 20 years ago.  In some cases the
anti-viral drugs may hinder viral replication and keep the disease in
check (as with HIV), and in other cases the drugs may suppress the virus
enough for the immune system to clear it out of the body - a "cure" in a
sense but the drug is only partially responsible, the immune system is what
actually cured it, it just had assistance.  Oh, here's just the most
perfect link to refute you:

------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=16827

Girl survives rabies without vaccination, first case ever
24 Nov 2004

A girl of 15 has survived rabies without vaccination.  Jeanna Geise was
given a combination of drugs which cured her rabies.

Her doctors induced a coma in order to stop the spread of the infection.
They then started administering a cocktail of drugs.  A spinal tap after
treatment showed that her immune system was effectively fighting off the
virus.  She was kept in coma for a week.

...

Dr. Willoughby said the cocktail consisted of two anesthetic and two
antiviral drugs.  He said he cannot reveal the exact ingredients until
the procedure is published in a medical journal (medical protocol
requires this).
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john - 13 Dec 2004 09:43 GMT
"Michael Myers" <mmyers@halloween.net> wrote in message news:Afbvd.2309

> You say drugs don't cure diseases, presumably you mean viral illnesses.

No disease except bacterial infections, so yes, all viral ones--they can be
cured with vitamin C http://www.whale.to/a/levy4.html

They cause all the fear of disease on the planet
http://www.whale.to/a/fear_dis.html by suppressing the cause and cure for
most of them

> never said they did, in fact I said that HIV appeared to be incurable.  I'm
> not sure if a single viral disease has ever been "cured" with drugs,

No, but it has with vitamin C, garlic, homeopathy, naturopathy.  With
smallpox the homeopaths never lost a case
http://www.whale.to/a/homeopathy7.html same with the good medical
naturoapths http://www.whale.to/v/naturopathy6.html
Michael Myers - 15 Dec 2004 06:30 GMT
"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote...
>> never said they did, in fact I said that HIV appeared to be incurable.
> I'm
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> http://www.whale.to/a/homeopathy7.html same with the good medical
> naturoapths http://www.whale.to/v/naturopathy6.html

I absolutely HATE homeopathy!!!!!!!!!  It is the most pathetic and
obnoxious snake oil out there.  The whole principle is ludicrous and
even if it DID work for some inexplicable reason, for some reason it
has never been demonstrated under controlled laboratory settings
with the usual double-blind experimental and control groups.  Feel
free to test your "cures" this way, I happily await the results.

One more thing about homeopathy I hate: recently I've begun seeing
television commercials advertising flu relief, cold sore treatment,
etc., the commercials are really slick and look just like the ads
for FDA approved OTC medications, except that these products are
unapproved snake oil.  I do not think they have any right to make
medical claims for their homeopathic concoctions, they are
nothing but snake oil, actually just water PURPORTED to contain
a microgram of whatever magic substance.  I'm almost ready to
treat homeopathy as a criminal syndicate and have not only the
"remedies" banned but also have practitioners arrested and charged
with both fraud and practicing medicine without a license.

So please, I wish you would conduct an experiment - one meeting
standard criteria - showing that HIV patients are indeed cured
with your magic homeopathic/herbal/vitamin concoction.  Of course,
you must record your experiment in the greatest detail, so we
can replicate it in an independent laboratory and confirm your
fabulous results.
GMCarter - 15 Dec 2004 10:34 GMT
snip
>I absolutely HATE homeopathy!!!!!!!!!  It is the most pathetic and
>obnoxious snake oil out there.  The whole principle is ludicrous and
>even if it DID work for some inexplicable reason, for some reason it
>has never been demonstrated under controlled laboratory settings
>with the usual double-blind experimental and control groups.  Feel
>free to test your "cures" this way, I happily await the results.

LOL. It does seem pretty ludicrous. There are, however, some clinical
studies that suggest that homeopathy may be effective. Like drugs,
that means there is some evidence for specific remedies for specific
indications. Other data show no benefit.

I've appended a couple of citations below.

        George M. Carter

**
Oberbaum M, Schreiber R, Rosenthal C, Itzchaki M. Homeopathic
treatment in emergency medicine: a case series. Homeopathy. 2003
Jan;92(1):44-47.

The Center of Integrated Complementary Medicine Shaare Zedek Medical
Center, Jerusalem, Israel. oberbaum@szmc.org.il

Following a multiple-casualty construction disaster in Israel, members
of The Center of Integrated Complementary Medicine joined in the
emergency activity of the Shaare Zedek Medical Center. They
administered homeopathic treatment to injured patients to supplement
conventional orthopaedic treatment. This was to our knowledge the
first time that complementary medicine had been used officially in
conjunction with conventional medicine in an emergency situation. Our
objective is to report and summarize the rationale, procedures and
outcome of the complementary medicine intervention. Fifteen
orthopaedic patients were included. They were treated by homeopathy in
two phases starting 24 h post-trauma. All patients initially received
Arnica montana 200CH in a single dose. Anxiety was treated with
Aconite 200CH in nine patients, Opium 200CH in three, Ignatia 200CH in
two and Arsenicum album 200CH in one according to type of anxiety. One
day later, most patients reported a lessening of pain, 58% felt
improvement, 89% had reduced anxiety, and overall, 61% felt that
homeopathic treatment was helpful. In the second phase, 48 h
post-trauma, specific complaints were addressed with classical
homeopathy. At discharge patients rated the homeopathic treatment
successful in 67% of the specific complaints. Several issues relating
to the use of homeopathy in emergency medicine and its relation to
conventional treatment are discussed. These include compliance, the
conduct of rounds, shortage of time and staff, and the procurement of
medicines.

**
Weatherley-Jones E, Nicholl JP, Thomas KJ, Parry GJ, McKendrick MW,
Green ST, Stanley PJ, Lynch SP. A randomised, controlled, triple-blind
trial of the efficacy of homeopathic treatment for chronic fatigue
syndrome. J Psychosom Res. 2004 Feb;56(2):189-197.

Medical Care Research Unit, School of Health and Related Research,
University of Sheffield, Regent Court, 30 Regent Street, Sheffield S1
4DA, UK. e.weatherley-jones@sheffield.ac.uk

OBJECTIVE: There is no management regime for chronic fatigue syndrome
(CFS) that has been found to be universally beneficial and no
treatment can be considered a "cure". Patients with CFS may use
complementary and alternative medicine (CAM). Our aim was to evaluate
homeopathic treatment in reducing subjective symptoms of CFS. METHOD:
Using a triple-blind design (patient and homeopath blind to group
assignment and data analyst blind to group until after initial
analyses to reduce the possibility of bias due to data analyst), we
randomly assigned patients to homeopathic medicine or identical
placebo. One hundred and three patients meeting the Oxford criteria
for CFS were recruited from two specialist hospital out patient
departments. Patients had monthly consultations with a professional
homeopath for 6 months. Main outcome measures were scores on the
subscales of the Multidimensional Fatigue Inventory (MFI) and
proportions of each group attaining clinically significant
improvements on each subscale. Secondary outcome measures were the
Fatigue Impact Scale (FIS) and the Functional Limitations Profile
(FLP). Ninety-two patients completed treatment in the trial (47
homeopathic treatment, 45 placebo). Eighty-six patients returned fully
or partially completed posttreatment outcome measures (41 homeopathic
treatment group who completed treatment, 2 homeopathic treatment group
who did not complete treatment, 38 placebo group who completed
treatment, and 5 placebo group who did not complete treatment).
RESULTS: Seventeen of 103 patients withdrew from treatment or were
lost to follow-up. Patients in the homeopathic medicine group showed
significantly more improvement on the MFI general fatigue subscale
(one of the primary outcome measures) and the FLP physical subscale
but not on other subscales. Although group differences were not
statistically significant on four out of the five MFI subscales (the
primary outcome measures), more people in the homeopathic medicine
group showed clinically significant improvement. More people in the
homeopathic medicine group showed clinical improvement on all primary
outcomes (relative risk=2.75, P=.09). CONCLUSIONS: There is weak but
equivocal evidence that the effects of homeopathic medicine are
superior to placebo. Results also suggest that there may be
nonspecific benefits from the homeopathic consultation. Further
studies are needed to determine whether these differences hold in
larger samples.

**
Alibeu JP, Jobert J. [Aconite in homeopathic relief of post-operative
pain and agitation in children] [Article in French] Pediatrie.
1990;45(7-8):465-466.

Departement d'anesthesie-reanimation, CHU de Grenoble, France.

Despite the use of modern analgesic methods and an improved use of
narcotics, the combination pain-agitation sometimes persists in the
recovery-room. Aconit seems to be an appropriate homeopathic treatment
in this case. To prescribe it, the following conditions must be
combined: violence and suddeness of the stress bringing about intense
and anguish. The study included 50 children with such symptoms; it was
carried out double-blind, the children being given either placebo or
Aconit. Aconit proved to be effective for children's postoperative
agitation with 95% good results. It is usually stated in such studies
that the placebo effect is high and may reach rates higher than 30%.
Aconit is an amazing cure when well prescribed, as much for the
speediness of its action as for its efficiency. This remedy has a
place in the recovery-room and should be in every physician's
emergency case. The fundamental research could specify how the remedy
works and may be discover other molecules effective for stress.
GMCarter - 13 Dec 2004 13:13 GMT
>"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote...
>> drugs don't cure diseases (apart from bacterial), its a hoax.  You could try
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>not sure if a single viral disease has ever been "cured" with drugs, after
>all anti-viral drug research only began 20 years ago.

Ah--respiratory syncytial virus by ribavirin.

Also, it appears that people who remain undetectable six months after
treatment with interferon-ribavirin probably have cured Hepatitis C
infection. Some data are in excess of 13 years after treatment.

So "cure" as "eradication" can happen even with viruses.

Treatments can also be related to improving survival with concomitant
decent quality of life. Is that cure? Not always, of course. HIV is
indeed (so far) a good example, as are diseases like pancreatic or
esophageal cancer. Sadly, I know of few really effective therapies for
either of these (though Nick Gonzalez seems to have some tricks that
might improve outcomes in pancreatic cancer).

The artificial divide that people like john on that side create have
their idiotic correlate on the other side in the form of "quackwatch"
like organizations. Neither polemic is of much use to those of us
living with chronic diseases. They're both just reflexive bigotries
lacking nuance and devoid of wisdom.

        George M. Carter
john - 14 Dec 2004 15:24 GMT
> The artificial divide that people like john on that side create have
> their idiotic correlate on the other side in the form of "quackwatch"
> like organizations. Neither polemic is of much use to those of us
> living with chronic diseases. They're both just reflexive bigotries
> lacking nuance and devoid of wisdom.

Wisdom?  LOL.  Where is the wisdom in taking drugs for an alleged viral
disease when no pharma medicine has ever cured a viral disease, where they
haven't even proved HIV exists, let alone causes AIDS!

And you death wish idiots trust the medical mafia that started the AIDS
thing with a vaccine in the first place, and kill 700,000 people every year
in the USA alone with just medical mistakes, while there is overwhelming
evidence they have suppressed dozens of cancer and other disease cures for
100 years, and so on

and you trust them with aids drugs

talk about moronic, hardly wisdom, although if you want to kill yourself
covertly it is one way.  Why don't you take up alcohol and kill yourself
with that and save the taxpayer from the expense
GMCarter - 14 Dec 2004 22:30 GMT
snip
>Wisdom?  LOL.  Where is the wisdom in taking drugs for an alleged viral
>disease when no pharma medicine has ever cured a viral disease, where they
>haven't even proved HIV exists, let alone causes AIDS!

Well, dearest, "they" have proven HIV exists. Even a faction of
denialists admits that (e.g., Duesberg). And it does cause CD4+
depletion in the majority of infected individuals, resulting in AIDS.

The drugs used to treat it lower that viral load. They do not cure the
disease (in the sense of eradicating HIV). As a result of controlling
the viral replication, CD4 counts go up. People can get off
prophylactic medications when they exceed threshholds, e.g., above
200, prophylaxis for PCP is no longer necessary.

The antivirals also have serious limitations. Resistance can develop.
They have serious side effects. The artificially imposed prices and
intellectual property "rights" are used to block access to generics
and assure that HIV disease progresses--directly resulting in
suffering and death for literally millions of people.

Pharma is rife with wickedness. No kidding. But you address the wrong
problems when you simply dismiss the issue with your abject ignorance.

Let alone the approaches that can help delay progression--such as a
simple multivitamin.

But then, you're on your little hobby horse. Whatever.

        George M. Carter
Gary Stein - 14 Dec 2004 19:53 GMT
>>"john" <nospamoridiots@vaccine.com> wrote...
>>> drugs don't cure diseases (apart from bacterial), its a hoax.  You could
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> So "cure" as "eradication" can happen even with viruses.

Not to forget Polio and Smallpox  both Viruses that have been basically
stopped due to the effective use of a medicine namely an effective vaccine.
Though Johns site is just as violently against vaccines as it its against
all other forms of modern medicine. It's basically the reemergence of the
English Luddite movement applied to modern medicine instead of modern means
of production.

Gary Stein

> Treatments can also be related to improving survival with concomitant
> decent quality of life. Is that cure? Not always, of course. HIV is
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> George M. Carter
john - 14 Dec 2004 22:21 GMT
> Not to forget Polio and Smallpox  both Viruses that have been basically
> stopped due to the effective use of a medicine namely an effective vaccine.

LOL! http://www.whale.to/a/smallpox_hoax.html

You virus phobics

> Though Johns site is just as violently against vaccines as it its against
> all other forms of modern medicine. It's basically the reemergence of the
> English Luddite movement applied to modern medicine instead of modern means
> of production.

Ad hominem

Read what Kissinger thinks

"They (The Council) also were very condescending to those individuals who
didn't eat properly or exercise.  They take immaculate care of their bodies
as far as health goes. They are fit and trim and they use natural medicines.
The American Medical Association is fashioned to prescribe drugs and perform
various treatments that although they may be unsuspecting, tend to weed out
the weaker species. The Council views the AMA's 'modern medicine' as
barbaric. Their plans are to have mind-enhanced health associates, like some
of the USC medical and dental graduates, who provide the new health care for
the Elite, after the takeover.   Precision surgery with laser technology
will make the so-called "modern methods" of surgery obsolete.  Miracle
medicines and herbs (God's pharmacy) will keep the body healthy.   An
understanding of the way the electro-molecular energy field around the body
operates will allow the healthy body to be kept in perfect alignment
creating perpetual perfect health or it can be brought back into alignment
easily with the use of high-tech field variation equipment. This will be the
modern medicine of the future and upcoming doctors will be trained in these
methods in order to further the evolution of the Elite. The Elite plan to
enjoy total and complete health due to their technology in electromagnetic
fields.  They also have antibodies against the diseases they let loose and
make sure they are protected. Of course all of these findings came about by
research and experiments on unsuspecting groups of people."-Brice Taylor
(Thanks For The Memories p 283) http://www.whale.to/v/quotes2.html
GMCarter - 14 Dec 2004 22:31 GMT
>> Not to forget Polio and Smallpox  both Viruses that have been basically
>> stopped due to the effective use of a medicine namely an effective
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>You virus phobics

LOL. OK. So get yourself some HIV-infected blood in you and see what
happens. Or how about some small pox? There's still some around.

Keep to yourself, tho, please, if you decide to get smallpox.

        George M. Carter
 
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