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>Warren himself has not exhibited signs of full-blown AIDS. Police said he
>did not show remorse when first arrested in April but was upset with police
>for interrupting his lifestyle.
"David Canzi -- non-mailable address" <dmcanzi@remulak.ads.uwaterloo.ca> wrote...
>>Warren, who was informed that he was HIV-positive in early 1992, was the
>>first person charged under a Missouri law that makes it a felony to risk
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> jail, or if a jury would conclude that his ignorance was strategic
> rather than accidental, and convict him anyway.
I've been advocating for years for mandatory incarceration of those
who infect others with HIV, whether knowingly or unknowingly. If
they truly are unaware of their HIV+ status, then they should be
sent to a quarantine camp, and if they do know and spread it anyway
they should be executed. I simply do not accept the activists'
argument that once a person learns of his HIV+ status he suddenly
cares about others and becomes celibate so as not to spread the
virus. We've been fed this propaganda for 20 years and as a
result have let carriers roam free in our society and the number
of new HIV infections continues to increase at an uncontrolled
rate. I've mentioned that among many of these new HIV infections,
that the virus is already resistant to one or more of the HIV
drugs, therefore whoever they caught it from knew he was infected
because he had been taking the HIV drugs (am I the only one who
sees this?!?).
As for enforcement, it is virtually non-existent. Just a week
or two ago I wrote that in the very rare cases where charges are
filed, it is inevitably against a heterosexual male who infected
heterosexual females - homosexual transmission is NEVER
prosecuted, presumably because of the political implications
of prosecuting members of a "special" politically-correct
minority group. If I were appointed AIDS Czar/Nazi by Bush, I
promise I could virtually wipe out new HIV cases within a year,
but it would not be popular. Keeping in mind that I myself am
a gay American male, I also see reality for what it is and that
my group literally is behind the majority of HIV cases. Almost
all cases of HIV in the U.S. can be directly traced back to
the numerous gay bars, even those seemingly-heterosexual cases
where women contract HIV from their bisexual boyfriends who
contracted it from some piece of dizzy disco sex trash he
picked up at the local gay bar. But GMCarter might disagree -
he might say that even though 95% of NYC typhoid cases are
directly linked to a single restaurant kitchen where Typhoid
Mary works, it is still possible to contract typhoid in other
ways, therefore no enforcement on the restaurant kitchen
should be taken as that might discriminate against the
protected community of symptom-free typhoid carriers.
Death - 10 Dec 2004 18:17 GMT
"Freddy Krueger" <fkrueger@nightmare.net> wrote in message
> I've been advocating for years for mandatory incarceration of those
> who infect others with HIV, whether knowingly or unknowingly.
If this were handled as a health issue that would happen.
I forgot the exact number, but look at the stur bird flu has caused
and look at the low number of deaths from it.
> I've mentioned that among many of these new HIV infections,
> that the virus is already resistant to one or more of the HIV
> drugs, therefore whoever they caught it from knew he was infected
> because he had been taking the HIV drugs (am I the only one who
> sees this?!?).
No, the rest of us who see this farce are called homophobic,
intolorent, bigot, nazi, LOL, or closeted faggots.
> But GMCarter might disagree -
> he might say that even though 95% of NYC typhoid cases are
> directly linked to a single restaurant kitchen where Typhoid
> Mary works, it is still possible to contract typhoid in other
> ways, therefore no enforcement
I remember when the gay community never wanted information
to be reported on aids. They were afraid a stigma may be attached to them.
The stigma has now grown, and so has the aids population.
When I read a reply from GMCarter, that is what I think of,
the denial, denial, denial.
Gary Stein - 15 Dec 2004 02:31 GMT
> I've been advocating for years for mandatory incarceration of those
> who infect others with HIV, whether knowingly or unknowingly. If
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> because he had been taking the HIV drugs (am I the only one who
> sees this?!?).
Luckily we live under a set of laws that were founded on the protection of
the rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Most states in the
US have laws that make it a felony offensive to knowingly engage in unsafe
sex with out notifying the other person that you are HIV positive. Some
states require notification before any type of sexual activity takes place.
No state has as of yet enacted a law criminalizing the act of engaging in
consenting sex if the persons is unaware of there HIV status. Such a law
could be written and it most likely would be held constitutional we've all
heard the old saying "ignorance of the law is no excuse" but I do find it
highly unlikely that any state legislature will write such a law.
What might happen is that a civil court action would be filed based on the
grounds that the person that infected the female plaintiff was negligent or
showed criminal disregard for the safety of the plaintiff by not knowing
there HIV status. After all no one in America over 18 can make a valid claim
that they don't know what HIV is or how it is transmitted. The plaintiff's
attorneys could argue that any reasonable person who engaged in say the
highly promiscuous and unsafe sex that the defendant did, or that any
reasonable person who engaged in unsafe bisexual sex with another man would
know that they were at higher risk for contracting HIV and thus by not
getting tested showed a negligent unjustified disregard for the safety of
the plaintiff.
> As for enforcement, it is virtually non-existent. Just a week
> or two ago I wrote that in the very rare cases where charges are
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> should be taken as that might discriminate against the
> protected community of symptom-free typhoid carriers.
I agree that the cases that have made it into the press are those of men who
infected women. But I totally disagree with your conclusions as to why that
is the case. The reason is much simpler and can be traced back the earliest
days of the epidemic and right back to the present in how the government is
responding to AIDS in the African American community. Gays and Blacks are
not as valuable to the societies power holders as are young white women
that's the simple answer. What prosecutor really cares if one gay infects
another hell it's just a couple of fags no big deal. Or if the fastest
growing demographic as far as HIV and AIDS is women of color (which it is)
who cares it's just one black or latino screwing another black latino
there's to many of them gays and blacks anyway.
But if it's a group of young white women who were infected as was just the
case here in Washington state. We need ourselves a big statewide task force
to catch this Black man who's out there killing our white women. Yes he was
caught got a very speedy trial and was sentenced to I think 20 years per
charge and I think there were 7 or 8 women involved.
Don't get me wrong I do agree that it is and should be a crime for an HIV
positive person to have sex without disclosing there HIV status, but lets
not delude ourselves into thinking that Homophobia and Racism don't play
large roles in HIV and AIDS legal policy and enforcement in the US.
Now as to making it a crime if neither partner knows there HIV status that
while it might be legal is simply another extension of racism and homophobia
into the law. It would also be problematical to prove in court because of
the inability to prove when the positive person was infected which would
need to be established inorder for the act to be illegal.
If you really need such protections then the best way to go would be to make
all sex with out a condom illegal with the same penalty for both partners
regardless of there HIV status. Hell I bet if John Ashcroft was still around
you could convince him to add that provision to the Patriot Act II
legislation. He could set up the new federal agency C.O.C.C. or Central
Office of Condom Control each condom could have and RFID tag embedded in the
wrapper and another as part of the condom itself and if the condom didn't
raise above room temperature within a certain predetermed time after being
opened then a COCC squad would be computer dispatched to the location of the
condom as identified by the RFID tags embedded GPS system.
Gary Stein