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Orthodox AIDS Journal Challenges "Long Term" Benefits of HAART

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PaulKing - 28 Oct 2004 23:50 GMT
Orthodox AIDS Journal Challenges "Long Term" Benefits of HAART

It appears the rationale for HAART is finally under question by the AIDS
orthodoxy.

An article published earlier this year in the very mainstream medical
journal AIDS concludes that HAART has no effect on viral load after three
years of use and confirms that T cell count gains taper off after  just 18
months on the meds. Interestingly, authors regard taking drugs for 18
months to 2 years as "long-term treatment."

The paper actually goes so far as to "question the benefits of a life-long
treatment for HIV infection." Authors note that "given the side
effects...such as lipodistrophy, metabolic disturbances, increased
cardiovascular risk, mitochondrial toxicity and altered quality of
life...it is more and more difficult to imagine anti-HIV treatments as
life-long prescriptions.

The inconvenience of long-term treatment may outweigh the benefit of
maintaining the CD4 cell count at a high level considering that treatment
beyond 2 to 4 years will not result in a significant reduction of viral
load."

The characterization of heart attacks, deformities, and cell death as
"inconviences" is also rather alarming.

For more information, see AIDS, Volume 18 (1) 2 January 2004
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 29 Oct 2004 03:21 GMT
>Orthodox AIDS Journal Challenges "Long Term" Benefits of HAART
>
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>journal AIDS concludes that HAART has no effect on viral load after three
>years of use ...

You have not provided a title for the article, nor provided an author's
name, nor quoted any text from the abstract.  You have provided nothing
that could be used to find this article in a web search.

>For more information, see AIDS, Volume 18 (1) 2 January 2004

And you have provided no easy way to identify which article in AIDS
vol 18 (1) you are talking about.

Given your long history of misrepresenting the contents of articles
that you cite, and given your long history of misrepresenting what
your opponents had said when you were responding to them, there is
no reason to assume the AIDS article really says what you claim it
says without checking.

You have made it difficult to find the article that you claim
supports you.  Honest people try to make it easy to track down their
information sources.  They're not afraid of having their facts checked.
Why are you?

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David Canzi

Nick Bennett - 29 Oct 2004 13:39 GMT
> Given your long history of misrepresenting the contents of articles
> that you cite, and given your long history of misrepresenting what
> your opponents had said when you were responding to them, there is
> no reason to assume the AIDS article really says what you claim it
> says without checking.

Viard et al. "Impact of 5 years of maximally successful highly active
antiretroviral therapy on CD4 cell count and HIV-1 DNA level." AIDS.
18(1):45-49, January 2, 2004.

It says nothing of the sort.  Paul copied and pasted from the BMJ
"Rabid Responses" from a question posed by a person who hadn't read
the article either.

> You have made it difficult to find the article that you claim
> supports you.  Honest people try to make it easy to track down their
> information sources.  They're not afraid of having their facts checked.
> Why are you?

Because he hadn't read the article either.

Not sure Paul could understand it even if he had...

Bennett
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 29 Oct 2004 21:53 GMT
>> You have made it difficult to find the article that you claim
>> supports you.  Honest people try to make it easy to track down their
>> information sources.  They're not afraid of having their facts checked.
>> Why are you?
>
>Because he hadn't read the article either.

What mind-boggling intellectual carelessness!  Who knows what somebody
this stinking clueless might do next -- cite science articles from
Pravda?

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David Canzi

Brian Mailman - 30 Oct 2004 01:22 GMT
> What mind-boggling intellectual carelessness!  Who knows what somebody
> this stinking clueless might do next -- cite science articles from
> Pravda?

Old joke from even the '50s I think it was... Pravda (Truth) and
Izvestia (Light).  I first heard it in the '60s.  Translated: "There is
not Izvestia in Pravda, and no Pravda in Izvestia."

B/
David Canzi -- non-mailable address - 31 Oct 2004 08:53 GMT
>> What mind-boggling intellectual carelessness!  Who knows what somebody
>> this stinking clueless might do next -- cite science articles from
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Izvestia (Light).  I first heard it in the '60s.  Translated: "There is
>not Izvestia in Pravda, and no Pravda in Izvestia."

ISTR that izvestia means "news".  The joke makes more sense to me
that way.

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David Canzi

Brian Mailman - 31 Oct 2004 19:43 GMT
>>Old joke from even the '50s I think it was... Pravda (Truth) and
>>Izvestia (Light).  I first heard it in the '60s.  Translated: "There is
>>not Izvestia in Pravda, and no Pravda in Izvestia."
>
> ISTR that izvestia means "news".  The joke makes more sense to me
> that way.

You're right.  It's been a while and my Russian is rusty.

B/
PaulKing - 29 Oct 2004 22:27 GMT
That is a complete fabrication. I challenge you to prove your outright lie.
 
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