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WHAT'S WRONG WITH CONDOMS?

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PaulKing - 10 Oct 2004 08:41 GMT
WHAT'S WRONG WITH CONDOMS?

The medical hole in the "safe sex" argument! Natural holes are present in
latex up to 5 microns wide - holes 50 times bigger than the AIDs virus,
larger than STDs and even sperm.  In 1992 a Food and Drug Administration
study showed detectable leakage of HIV-sized particles in one-third of all
condoms tested. The "failure rate" is 2.5% breakage -13-15% of women whose
partners use condoms alone fall pregnant in one year - HIV particles are
much smaller than sperm -that's like playing russian roulette with your
health!

The Truth about Condoms joint medical statement.On Friday, July 20,2001
the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services released an official
government document detailing the research on condom effectiveness.
STD             Condom  Effectiveness
 HIV             Relative risk = .15
Gonorrhea    Women — No clinical proof of effectiveness       Men — Some
effectiveness
Chlamydia     No clinical proof of effectiveness
Trichomoniasis   No clinical proof of effectiveness
Syphilis              No clinical proof of effectiveness
Genital Herpes   No clinical proof of effectiveness
Human Papillomavirus   No clinical proof of effectiveness 

Condoms used for vaginal intercourse result in a 14% pregnancy rate per
year of "typical" use.
GMCarter - 10 Oct 2004 11:10 GMT
>WHAT'S WRONG WITH CONDOMS?
>
>The medical hole in the "safe sex" argument! Natural holes are present in
>latex up to 5 microns wide - holes 50 times bigger than the AIDs virus,
>larger than STDs and even sperm. 

Oh bullshit. Fill it with air. How big is an air molecule?

This sounds like Cardinal Trujillo's crazy blitherings.

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 10 Oct 2004 21:39 GMT
Every study and report you don't like is a 'right wing plot' to discredit
condoms.

The fact that study after study has showed that condoms simply don't work
has no effect on you. You dismiss the US Navel Institute, Mariposa
Institute, Jones and Forrest and Texas University studies as
the work of the Pope.

You don't even except that the CDC that has now backed down COMPLETELY on
it's absurd claim that comdoms are protection.

You believe with the blindness of a religious fanatic.

An 'AIDS' religion fanatic is EXACTLY what you are.

"In condoms we trust" - GM Carter
GMCarter - 11 Oct 2004 12:42 GMT
>Every study and report you don't like is a 'right wing plot' to discredit
>condoms.

Nonsense yet again. It's just stupidity is what it is. To talk about
relative sizes of holes and HIV is to make a mockery of science
because it is just so STUPID. Surface tension? Electrostatic forces?
Etc. Other elements come into play that are ignored to promote
hysteria.

Second, there are ample data showing that correct and consistent use
of condoms will DRAMATICALLY reduce the risk of a variety of
infections, including and especially HIV. That's the real test.

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 12 Oct 2004 02:21 GMT
"there are ample data"

No there is not as you well know.
tyronerie - 13 Oct 2004 02:55 GMT
GMCarter <fiar@verizon.net> wrote:

> there are ample data showing that correct and consistent use
> of condoms will DRAMATICALLY reduce the risk of a variety of
> infections, including and especially HIV. That's the real test.
>
>         George M. Carter

There are also ample data showing that "correct and consistent use of
condoms" by any significant proportion of the population is so rare
that it is virtually non-existent.

So it really doesn't matter all that much how 'effective' they are,
does it?
PaulKing - 11 Oct 2004 06:00 GMT
So the US Naval Research Institute is a catholic front group. The Pope
really does have power.

The Vatican Guard now includes the US Navy if you are to be believed. An
improvement on those men in funny uniforms they had in the past!

Do you enjoying making a fool of yourself?

You must as you work so hard at it.

THE FLAWED CONDOM
Naval Research Laboratory (NRL) researchers, using powerful electron
microscopes, have found that new latex, from which condoms are fabricated,
contains "maximum inherent flaw[s]" (that is, holes) 70 microns in
diameter. (9)
These holes are 700 times larger than the HIV-1 virus. There are pores in
latex, and some of the pores are large enough to pass sperm-sized
particles. Carey, et al., observed leakage of HIV-sized particles through
33%+ of the latex condoms tested. In addition, as Gordon points out in his
review, the testing procedures for condoms are less than desirable. United
States condom manufacturers are allowed 0.4% leaky condoms (AQL). Gordon
states, "The fluctuations in sampling permits many batches not meeting AQL
to be sold." In the United
States, 12% of domestic and 21% of imported batches of condoms have failed
to meet the 0.4% AQL. (10)
9."Anomalous Fatigue Behavior in Polysoprene," Rubber Chemistry and
Technology, Vol. 62, #4, Sep.-Oct. 1989.
10.Collart, David G., M.D., loc. cit.

THE SPERM VS. THE AIDS VIRUS
A paper in the February 1992 issue of Applied and Environmental
Microbiology reports that filtration techniques show the HIV-1 virus to be
0.1 micron (4 millionths of an inch) in diameter. It is three times
smaller than the herpes virus, 60 times smaller than the syphilis
spirochete, and 50 to 450 times smaller than sperm. (8)
8.Lytle, C. D., et al., "Filtration Sizes of Human Immunodeficiency Virus
Type 1 and Surrogate Viruses Used to Test Barrier Materials," Applied and
Environmental Microbiology, Vol. 58, #2, Feb. 1992.
GMCarter - 11 Oct 2004 12:45 GMT
>So the US Naval Research Institute is a catholic front group. The Pope
>really does have power.

Who is this group?

>9."Anomalous Fatigue Behavior in Polysoprene," Rubber Chemistry and
>Technology, Vol. 62, #4, Sep.-Oct. 1989.

Where is this paper? Who is this group? The US Navy?

So what there are holes in condoms? It doesn't matter. There are holes
in a tabletop. There are holes in your head. Holes are everywhere.
There are huge gaps between the electron cloud and the nucleus.

It's a factoid.

        George M. Carter
PaulKing - 12 Oct 2004 02:23 GMT
"Where is this paper? Who is this group? The US Navy?"

"Anomalous Fatigue Behavior in Polysoprene," Rubber Chemistry and
Technology, Vol. 62, #4, Sep.-Oct. 1989.

Can't you read?

"Who is this group?"

Never heard of the US Navy?

Idiot.


GMCarter - 12 Oct 2004 10:44 GMT
>"Where is this paper? Who is this group? The US Navy?"
>
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>
>Never heard of the US Navy?

Even Bolivia has a navy. There is nothing in the citation that states
what Navy.

Besides, I do not trust your interpretation of what that paper says.
You have a demonstrated capacity to distort and lie outright to
support your desire to screw without a condom and pretend HIV is not a
problem.

You're as deluded as George W. Bush and his administration!!

        George M. Carter
 
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