Found on MSN "Number One AIDS Group"
tansyann
tansyann@msn.com
11/18/2003 12:45 AM
http://groups.msn.com/Number1HIVAIDSGroupOnMSN
This is something I would never dare post over at aidsmeds, because I'm
sure the denialists would swoop down on it in a heartbeat.
Has anyone here ever had a problem with latex allergy?
About six months ago I started having funny reactions to condoms...
intense and very unpleasant burning and itching... and after a little
research I realised it was probably due to nonoxynol-9, so I made sure we
only used condoms which were N-9 free. That only worked for a short time
and I started experiencing the same problems again.
We switched to the Durex Avanti brand polyurethane condoms and I don't
have any problems with them, other than the price. It is astronomical! In
the shops they are (all prices in British pounds, I don't have the symbol
on this keyboard) 4.49 for two. Online, I can get them for 7.30 for five.
That's cheaper, but then you can buy Durex Elite (for example) on the same
website for 6.55 for twelve!
I really don't understand why the non-latex condoms are so expensive. It's
not like polyurethane is some far out space age material, it's pretty
ordinary and has been in use for quite some time now. I feel like I'm
being taken advantage of and robbed because of an allergy.
One of the nurses at my clinic is looking into finding me a less expensive
supply, but she doesn't hold out much hope. There's a very slight chance I
may be able to get them on prescription, but we'll see.
I don't really know what I expect from posting this, other than to have a
little rant, or maybe find out if anyone else has had this problem, and
how they've coped. Thanks for listening anyway.
Ann
From "Number One AIDS Group on MSN"
GMCarter - 09 Oct 2004 11:19 GMT
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>Has anyone here ever had a problem with latex allergy?
>About six months ago I started having funny reactions to condoms...
>intense and very unpleasant burning and itching... and after a little
>research I realised it was probably due to nonoxynol-9, so I made sure we
>only used condoms which were N-9 free. That only worked for a short time
>and I started experiencing the same problems again.
This is one, unconfirmed anecdote.
It wouldn't surprise me if this were completely valid, however. And
she did switch to plastic. So there are options, albeit, as she notes,
costly (and they shouldn't be).
On an individual level, it is important to evaluate one's own
sensitivities. On a population and policy level, the majority of
condom users will probably never experience this kind of problem.
Nonoxynol-9--which may exacerbate sensitivities--should simply be
prohibited from being used.
George M. Carter
PaulKing - 09 Oct 2004 22:41 GMT
'Plastic' condoms,. as you call them, have many of the same toxins as
latex. True, you have no toxic proteins and no vulc. agents but you have
higher levels of many other toxins.
Also, they have a far higher failure rate due to slippage.
Condoms are just plain old BAD NEWS!
PaulKing - 10 Oct 2004 21:58 GMT
"This is one, unconfirmed anecdote'
Anecdote: - A short account of an entertaining or interesting incident.
So?
Unconfirmed?
How can a first hand account be unconfirmed/
Are you really saying the 18 million latex allergic Americans (FDA figure)
are ancodatal?
Give it up GM Carter. You are making a fool of yourself (again).
Jim Jones - 09 Oct 2004 22:41 GMT
"PaulKing" <aimulti@aimultimedia.com> wrote...
> I really don't understand why the non-latex condoms are so expensive. It's
> not like polyurethane is some far out space age material, it's pretty
> ordinary and has been in use for quite some time now. I feel like I'm
> being taken advantage of and robbed because of an allergy.
Why aren't you out trashing the effectiveness of polyurethane condoms like
you do latex? You've already stated that latex condoms do not block the
HIV virus - that they DO block HIV has been demonstrated in the laboratory,
not to mention real-world experience where those who faithfully use latex
condoms have a drastically-lower rate of HIV infection. But last time I
looked, the polyurethane condom boxes contained a disclaimer that said
that while it was BELIEVED polyurethane blocks HIV as well as or even
better than latex, laboratory and real-world studies were still ongoing
and there was still no "proof" that they blocked HIV. So I can't figure
out why you aren't attacking polyurethane, not only denying its
effectiveness against HIV (which you also believe is harmless and not
the cause of AIDS), but perhaps even suggesting that polyurethane itself
causes AIDS.
PaulKing - 10 Oct 2004 22:02 GMT
"So I can't figure out why you aren't attacking polyurethane"
I am. They contain very similar additives to latex (with some exceptions)
and have a far higher slippage rate due to their modulus being far lower
(they are not very elastic).
Condoms are plain old BAD NEWS.