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PaulKing - 05 Oct 2004 22:10 GMT

Noboby could answer me these questions. I ask to ALL believers in 'HIV' to
do it

SUPPOSEDLY: HIV is present in human fluids.

Above all Blood and semen unprotected oral sex may cause HIV infection due
to semen or precum

ON THE OTHER HAND <statistically about 75 % whole population have
gingivitis or gum disease Gingivitis causes bleeding gum >

HIV is very highly present in blood, more than in other fluid 99% people
practice kissing, obviously swallowing IN MANY cases blood

CONCLUSION: Why HIV is not spreading throught kissing AT LEAST at the same
rate than oral sex? Or with other words: Swallowing very little amounts of
pre cum CAN cause infection but SWALLOWING BLOOD with salive can´t do
that. WHY?

From Dr. Winner (AME)

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GMCarter - 06 Oct 2004 10:01 GMT

I don't know who the hell you're kissing, but I don't think people
swallow a lot of blood, even with some deep French kissing.

Also, there is no evidence for transmission via kissing and in
addition the risk of HIV infection from oral sex is pretty low. Now,
that doesn't mean people should suck down or swallow vaginal
secretions or semen. Avoid it.

Saliva, by contrast, contains proteins like SLPI that appear to act as
antivirals and provide some protection against infection. There may be
other reasons or agents in saliva. Also, kissing doesn't generally
result in lots of blood-letting, so innoculum is probably pretty low.

But a spit-soaked cock being rammed into someone's vagina or anus will
NOT act as microbicide.

George M. Carter

>Noboby could answer me these questions. I ask to ALL believers in 'HIV' to
>do it
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>
>From Dr. Winner (AME)

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PaulKing - 06 Oct 2004 20:11 GMT

Try reading the post before rushing to reply.

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Papapalya - 13 Oct 2004 02:30 GMT

your conclusion is a question.

your still a scared loser dude

>Noboby could answer me these questions. I ask to ALL believers in 'HIV' to
>do it
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
>From Dr. Winner (AME)

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Jim Jones - 13 Oct 2004 02:58 GMT

>>CONCLUSION: Why HIV is not spreading throught kissing AT LEAST at the same
>>rate than oral sex? Or with other words: Swallowing very little amounts of
>>pre cum CAN cause infection but SWALLOWING BLOOD with salive can´t do
>>that. WHY?

I'll admit that it seems rare, but oral transmission by kissing has been
documented. One case I read about involved a married couple, one HIV+
and the other HIV-, who always used condoms. Yet the other got infected
and after investigating every possiblity, researchers decided it was
transmitted via kissing. Both partners had poor gums and it was
speculated that one partner's gums were bleeding slightly and the
other partner's gums were inflamed enough to allow the virus to enter
the bloodstream. Still highly unlikely and I recall reading that
saliva - unlike blood and semen, is non-saline, which causes damage
to both bacteria and viruses. Still, despite the low risk of
transmission, kissing a person with HIV is gross.

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Moira de Swardt - 13 Oct 2004 05:57 GMT

"Jim Jones" <jjones@peoplestemple.gy> wrote in message

> Still, despite the low risk of
> transmission, kissing a person with HIV is gross.

Ah!

Let's put it this way. You meet someoone you know to be HIV
positive. This person is wonderful, funny and warm. All the
necessary factors for falling in love are present. The amazing thing
is that this talented, clever, accomplished being even seems to like
you. A friendship develops. Sharing happens. For most of the time
you forget about HIV status and just think about the person. A kiss
is exchanged. Does love conquer prejudice against HIV?

Kissing people one loves is not gross.

Moira, the Faerie Godmother

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